Monkey King Enma vs Divine Path
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Enma was the first summon we saw in a full fight, when Hiruzen fought Orochimaru. The Divine Path is the one that uses gravitational techniques.
His Staff Form?
Besides that, why would he need to tank it directly?
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Is it implied that he could tank the omnidirectional CST in his adamantine staff form?
Do you mean he has some sort of guerrilla tactical strategy like submerging beneath the surface, that he could apply in this battle simulation?
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Actually, the Databook-IV alludes to Tendō: Heavenly Subjugation of the Omnipresent God being capable of causing internal damage.
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Deva Path Pain uses this jutsu, using repulsive gravitational force generated in the user’s hands to repel targets. The number of targets and their size do not interfere with the repulsive ability of jutsu. In addition, by stopping using the other Pains and concentrating the chakra only for jutsu, the strength and area affected can be greatly increased. With an attack of this power, Konohagakure no Sato was completely turned to ashes. However, after jutsu has been activated, there is an interval of 5 seconds for which jutsu cannot be used again. The repulsive force generated by the gravitational power forces the targets to collide with obstacles, increasing the initial damage of the jutsu’s shock wave. Only those who can manipulate all chakra natures, possessing the legendary Rinnegan are allowed to own this jutsu, which has every right to be called perfect as a diamond.
The repulsive force is so strong that Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu. With an unexpected discharge of this invisible force, it is very practical to catch opponents with low guard.
- Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, Offensive, Defence, Close range
- User(s): Nagato
Deva Path Pain uses this jutsu, using repulsive gravitational force generated in the user’s hands to repel targets. The number of targets and their size do not interfere with the repulsive ability of jutsu. In addition, by stopping using the other Pains and concentrating the chakra only for jutsu, the strength and area affected can be greatly increased. With an attack of this power, Konohagakure no Sato was completely turned to ashes. However, after jutsu has been activated, there is an interval of 5 seconds for which jutsu cannot be used again. The repulsive force generated by the gravitational power forces the targets to collide with obstacles, increasing the initial damage of the jutsu’s shock wave. Only those who can manipulate all chakra natures, possessing the legendary Rinnegan are allowed to own this jutsu, which has every right to be called perfect as a diamond.
The repulsive force is so strong that Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu. With an unexpected discharge of this invisible force, it is very practical to catch opponents with low guard.
Does the adamantium staff possess durability features that suggests it can withstand plethoric internal damage that could likely expunge the animals chakra pathways?
Changing into a pure material form should make internal damage impossible if the entire body is pushed back.
The lore of adamantium, clashing with the Long Sword and cutting down Divine Tree branches make me think it is far too durable to suffer any damage from the shockwave of a change in direction.
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Do we have substantial evidence, that the God Tree Branches are relative to obliterating a gargantuan portion of the Hidden Leaf Village to spiritual ashes?
I mean, the Databook-IV alludes to that here.
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Deva Path Pain uses this jutsu, using repulsive gravitational force generated in the user’s hands to repel targets. The number of targets and their size do not interfere with the repulsive ability of jutsu. In addition, by stopping using the other Pains and concentrating the chakra only for jutsu, the strength and area affected can be greatly increased. With an attack of this power, Konohagakure no Sato was completely turned to ashes. However, after jutsu has been activated, there is an interval of 5 seconds for which jutsu cannot be used again. The repulsive force generated by the gravitational power forces the targets to collide with obstacles, increasing the initial damage of the jutsu’s shock wave. Only those who can manipulate all chakra natures, possessing the legendary Rinnegan are allowed to own this jutsu, which has every right to be called perfect as a diamond.
The repulsive force is so strong that Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu. With an unexpected discharge of this invisible force, it is very practical to catch opponents with low guard.
- Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, Offensive, Defence, Close range
- User(s): Nagato
Deva Path Pain uses this jutsu, using repulsive gravitational force generated in the user’s hands to repel targets. The number of targets and their size do not interfere with the repulsive ability of jutsu. In addition, by stopping using the other Pains and concentrating the chakra only for jutsu, the strength and area affected can be greatly increased. With an attack of this power, Konohagakure no Sato was completely turned to ashes. However, after jutsu has been activated, there is an interval of 5 seconds for which jutsu cannot be used again. The repulsive force generated by the gravitational power forces the targets to collide with obstacles, increasing the initial damage of the jutsu’s shock wave. Only those who can manipulate all chakra natures, possessing the legendary Rinnegan are allowed to own this jutsu, which has every right to be called perfect as a diamond.
The repulsive force is so strong that Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu. With an unexpected discharge of this invisible force, it is very practical to catch opponents with low guard.
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Its Deva path btw. Deva path soloed 6 tails kyuubi on low chakra reserves on his own without other paths. Nagato was dying. If this h
Is healthy nagato with only deva control. Its a neg diff stomp. It was already neg diff with weak nagato
Is healthy nagato with only deva control. Its a neg diff stomp. It was already neg diff with weak nagato
All things are relative, the question is on the quality and ratio.
Here, we're looking at different qualities on multiple ends. The Almighty Push is an attack while the branches are an object/material, for one.
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Or Tendo
Connect it to Enma.
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Do you have a approximate guesstimate on where the pertinent techniques stands in terms of battle power? I'm not quite sure about that, though, like wouldn't both be encompassed as materialized, and ethereal energy respectively? I feel like a Rinnēigan technique that possesses awe-inspiring AoE would likely exceed an adamantium prior god staff.
I mean, SM Naruto drilled a hole in Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito's body, with a palm-sized rasengan, I don't really think that (god tree branches), it's significantly more durable than a Juubi Jinchuuriki's body tbh, as the god tree branches were bypassed by an armless Minato, and Edo (significantly weakened) Tobirama's Water Splitting Tongue Wave.
Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito possesses the most breath-taking form of the Juubi in the ancient god tree harboured in of himself - I don't really see a significantly empowered variation of it losing to a significantly weaker variation of it tbh.
That's another difference.
The power of the gravity push is based on AoE while the quality of the Staff Form is about concentrated material quality. So Enma contender against attacks based on their direct quality, while the gravity push contends with opponents based on their distance.
Within their fields, both are extremely good but I rate Enma slightly higher. The gravity push is excellent for being indiscriminate, but doesn't do much damage and can be countered (such as with the chain trap Kakashi used) with decent strategy. As a defence, it is instant but instant. It can be brought up any time, but doesn't last long. On the other hand, Enma simply forces an opponent to have a complete counter to his Staff Form or simply lose. His form costs him almost nothing and with adamantium as his material he is practically above all existing physical attacks. The ability to do clones and make cages as well as partial emrgences are extra benefits. Both are extremely good in their fields, but direct comparisons are tough to make. In a clash, Enma being a matter-based defence while Almighty Push is a deflection mostly means Enma always wins. Even if Enma was rooted to the ground somehow, his superior material to the ground itself means the environment would take damage while Enma is unharmed.
This is fitting, because area based attacks mostly challenge numbers, but material based moves challenge pure quality. Numbers themselves are only beaten if the attack has the quality to get through any one of them. So in a way, area attack sacrifice quality for numbers. In a direct clash of attack and defence, the superior quality wins.
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I get what you're saying but going by feats, Hiruzen falls short. For instance, Hiruzen reflected the Kyuubi with supplementary assistance, while Pein could fight in equality with a Jinchūriki KN6 Naruto. Implying that Deva Path's most strongest technique substantially transcends Hiruzen's adamantium god staff.
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Those are some more differences . . .
Hiruzen was thinking of protecting a village and not fighting solo. It is simply logical to accept help in such circumstances. On the other hand, the SPoP had no qualms about damaging the environment around them . . .
Secondly, full body Kurama is physically different from 6/9ths of Kurama condensed into pure energy in a person's body. The challenge of dealing with them this becomes different.
Thirdly, the two moves are different styles with different utilities. Them not achieving the same succession a similar field most means that they don't aim to achieve the same goals by their styles. Look at Mind Transfer redirecting a TT Beast Bomb. Does that mean it is superior to everyone alive because they could not achieve such with their techniques, or does it mean that Mind Transfer was specifically useful for that usage?
Finally, you speak of Hiruzen controlling Enma, not Enma on his own. A summon is usually restricted to doing whatever their summoner wants, unable to defy them. This is why Minato had to break the summon seal on Kurama instead of simply breaking the mind control illusion he was under. A summon fighting on their own is a very different beast, for me.
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Actually, everything has to be made as simple as possible. The man with arguably the most complex thoughts in the world states that should be how our thought-processes should function ------->>>>>>>>>
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.To be clear, I'm not actually implying that Hiruzen accepting assistance is a slight on his part, but just that he limits at that tier, for the most part. The thing is, we can't make any conclusions based off of his limited features to substantiate that he exceeds the strongest member of the Rikudô Sennin Paths whom exhibited truly some of the most immitable DC features in this serialization.
Jinchuuriki Kurama is astronomically stronger than the iteration controlled w/ Sharingan sans the fact that the mindless incarnation of it propagates it's power over a relatively larger diameter which implicitly substracts from it's AP. To reference; KN4 Naruto expelled chakra shockwaves, and bijuudamas with a casual throat blast. This is a DC features that staggeringly exceeds what Full Kurama (Yang + Ying = 100%) empowered by Sharingan has canonically accomplished.
I don't see how they are physically different when both are chakra manifestations in biologically distinct forms, tbh.
It's likely that the Telepathy Transfer is that powerful by virtue of the fact that the Juubi lacked a mental equillibrium. I mean, Kurama explicitly states that it possesses no mental thoughts or feelings. Tangentially, I feel like characters can be magically weak to specific likes of magic spells. For example; Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito is ripped open with WA SM Naruto's Rasengan, when the Quad-Juubidama which possessed Nature Energy or Senjutsu Chakras couldn't broach Omnyoūton Spheres encased Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito like a egg.
Bijuu are explicitly stated to possess power stratospheres <<<<<<< to a Jinchuuriki by virtue of the fact that they emit staggeringly <<<<< concentrative powers in juxtaposition to a Perfect Jinchuuriki. I don't technically see how Minato could've broken the magic mind spell when he possesses no implications or features which substantiates him being capable of such.
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I think he would disagree on him having the most complex thoughts, but anyway . . .
That applies in seeking understanding. Here, we are simply considering what we already have.
I think we can only go so far as to say that he was not so strong as to find it easier to go alone than to accept help from the village. Even so, that is a decent gap in power, as we saw army units prove relevant against even the Ten Tails.
Quite literally. Different sizes, especially relative to the opponent. This makes it different tasks to dodge attacks etc.
On top of that, one is pure energy while the other is energy being squeezed out of a mortal body.
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Indeed.
These strengths and weaknesses to different elements and factors is what results in suitability and counters.
Breaking illusions can be done in many ways.
Simply controlling the energy of an 'ally' yourself or disrupting it is one way. Inflicting pain, cutting off the source of the illusion and casting your own are other ways.
With his summoned Minato could have easily done any of these. His energy control is also noted to be of high calibration, so he could have played partner to Kurama.