[Game] Death Note Mafia Game #34

Who is the MVP of this game?

  • Alice in Noodleland

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  • Elmage G Ace

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  • Fait Accompli

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  • Ansatsuken

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  • Nikamara

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  • Soulkiller

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  • TheLukundo

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We are basing the second mafia on the premise that they voted on the counterwagon.
But what if they second mafia did "abstain" for whatever reasons.

There is no guarantee that the second mafia was on the counterwagon.
And there is no guarantee that me and Luk are town for voting Soulkiller.

Ofc we can yeet the counterwagon. But if a clever scumplayer knows this, and if they arent on the CW, then they will have town perfectly distracted and they might win in LyLo.

Thats why I am paranoid right now because one mislynch means MyLo.
My predecessor flaked from the game before Day 1 ended. The host asked in another discord chat if someone could replace an inactive slot and here I am, I subbed into a town slot.

I think a healthy amount of paranoia here is good. I was paranoid about Lukundo due to his engagement with Fait but I'm confident he is town here because of the reasons I stated, there is a chance that I can be wrong about him but my biggest weakness is not being able to trust my reads and second guessing myself, submitting into toxic paranoia, cannibalizing the town's chances of winning. So I'm taking a different approach here and I'm gonna trust my read on him. If I'm wrong I'll never figure it out anyways.

So to me it's gotta be between Ace and Nikamara, but I'm willing to reach a consensus on whom to yeet between those two first.

I gotta go, I work 12 hours tomorrow. Cheers
 
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My predecessor flaked from the game before Day 1 ended. The host asked in another discord chat if someone could replace an inactive slot and here I am, I subbed into a town slot.

I think a healthy amount of paranoia here is good. I was paranoid about Lukundo due to his engagement with Fait but I'm confident he is town here because of the reasons I stated, there is a chance that I can be wrong about him but my biggest weakness is not being able to trust my reads and second guessing myself, submitting into toxic paranoia, cannibalizing the town's chances of winning. So I'm taking a different approach here and I'm gonna trust my read on him. If I'm wrong I'll never figure it out anyways.

So to me it's gotta be between Ace and Nikamara, but I'm willing to reach a consensus on whom to yeet between those two first.

I gotta go, I work 12 hours tomorrow. Cheers
I agree. What is the case on Nikamara? I will be able to play later. No mobile charge plus I would like to hear Elmage out.
 

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Unvote: Elmage G Ace

I'm not scum, if Ace is not it then what? I'd like you to reevaluate on who could be scum in a scenario where Ace is not scum and TSQ is wrong about me.

Lukundo, why did you vote on Nika?
Testing the waters. With the thought that it's MyLo, yet we have unlimited votes I wanna go places. Nika might be where I stay. It might be you, it might be Ace. Doubt it's Rej today.
 

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There is no proper concensus and that's the worst thing here. Usually if I'm in a situation like this I'm either scum so idc or I'm Town with a clear in the game. I've got nothing to work with here and that's an issue.
 

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Nika has agenda. They have a plan and I'm still trying to decide whether it's Townie or scummy.

Rej has paranoia. They aren't sure who to lynch. I'm trying to decide if that's because he is genuinely confused or doesn't know who the best mislynch is in this situation.

I can't ISO Sk for spew cause he was good at distancing from TSQ in the chernobyl game a while ago.

If TSQ died N2, he was attacked N1 as well. That can probably show us something. Ima check that out.
 

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Also, ftr Guillo. I'd have killed Tsq there so I think your shit on TR'ing me based on who I killed is wrong. and possibly even fabricated as I legit said yesterday that if Tsq was Town, I'd have killed them
 

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I don't mind being looked into IIIIIIIF Ace is not scum, but that is not the narrative you were pushing, you were pushing for IIIIIIIF Ace is not scum, then I am, because TSQ said so.

It sounds opportunistic, sounded like a set up, as if you knew that Ace is not gonna flip scum and I'm gonna be your next mischop target and that's not gonna fly by me. IIIIIIIIF Ace is not scum then I think you are the most likely to be the scum for this. Why?

1) Because you are rushing us to lynch Ace, why? There is time and I wanna know what he thinks about the current game state.
2) Because you seem like you wanna use TSQ's death and legacy to manipulate others into lynching me next, if Ace flips town.
3) Because you are not the goddamn cop but you are certain that Ace is scum.

Maybe Ace genuinely thought that Soul was not mafia. Maybe you wouldn't believe this but town are very often, very wrong. Townies often tunnel other townies for irrational reasons. I just finished a game where I was town as well and I irrationally tunneled another widely town read player to death, only because I thought his reads were too good to be true, turns out he was just a way better player than myself. It happens all the time, maybe that is Ace's case. If Ace is scum, it is not because he tunneled, town tunnel all the time.

Now tell me. If Ace is not scum, who else could it be that is not me? This time I expect a real answer not a dodge to my question.
you need to re-read carefully. I've been leaning town on your the entire time and never even sussed you. I even said If the game doesn't end when Ace flips mafia, that means there is a 3rd party and I'll be looking into Luk first.

1. I am quite certain Ace is scum and I'm not going to waver from that when it's an open an shut case.
2. Read all my post again and above. You're being oddly paranoid and defensive. I'm going to remember this.
3. I maybe not be the "goddamn cop" but I am a pretty good townie at least in the aspect of scum hunting. :facts:This defensiveness of yours does strike me as genuine town, but the fact that I've said multiple times with proof that that's not what I said and you're still pushing it seems tunnelly and you know who tunnels? Scum because they reasoning is flawed and they are trying to push wagons. Not sure how experienced you are, I'm not claiming to be a mafia expert or anything, but if you are town you should look for the truth and the truth been said over and over again. You're getting bent out of shape over one misunderstanding. You looked at all my post before and town read me. The one you're sussing me over is a misunderstanding. It's clear you made a mistake and I mostly feel that you feel this way because your felt wrongly accused. Wasn't accusing you. I'm a straight shooter. If I were sussing you, There would be a wally explainig why in big red letters.

Town wins mafia majority of the time statistically so actually Town is actually very often, very right. Maybe our communities are different but the only townies who tunnel for irrational reasons are usually newbs. Ace is by all accounts an expert. No one can get it 100% right as town all the time. Fait is a good example of that. I thought they were scum and he thought I was scum. But being wrong once doesn't make everything you say wrong. Ace isn't scum simply for the tunnel either. It;s just one aspect of my case. He's scummy because he was wishy washy at the day's end, willing to vote pretty much anyone, not Soul, but never giving a good reason why he wouldn't join the Soul Train (still fun to say) Furthermore, we thought that all the votes would be hidden. It's a situation where scum can let lose and slip up and try to save their scummate, a very important scummate mind you since Soul was the mafia role cop and I assume knowing names to write in their death note is something important. Furthermore, bussing day 1 for towncred is a whole thing that happens in mafia, but not often in small set ups like this. It's a very rare thing and the PoE should be ppl on the counterwagon (Ace, Alice) ppl on neither wagons (you and me) and then ppl on the Soul Train if necessary. That's mafia 101.
 

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We are basing the second mafia on the premise that they voted on the counterwagon.
But what if they second mafia did "abstain" for whatever reasons.

There is no guarantee that the second mafia was on the counterwagon.
And there is no guarantee that me and Luk are town for voting Soulkiller.

Ofc we can yeet the counterwagon. But if a clever scumplayer knows this, and if they arent on the CW, then they will have town perfectly distracted and they might win in LyLo.

Thats why I am paranoid right now because one mislynch means MyLo.
The time for paranoia is not now. You're all doing scum's work for them. Just follow me and relax honestly I think I have this game solved Rejy. :headdesk:
 
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Nika has agenda. They have a plan and I'm still trying to decide whether it's Townie or scummy.

Rej has paranoia. They aren't sure who to lynch. I'm trying to decide if that's because he is genuinely confused or doesn't know who the best mislynch is in this situation.

I can't ISO Sk for spew cause he was good at distancing from TSQ in the chernobyl game a while ago.

If TSQ died N2, he was attacked N1 as well. That can probably show us something. Ima check that out.
Still waiting on that case on me. At least Gullitina had one. You just voted for me without a reason and the only thing I've gotten is this post about me having an agenda. I don't have an agenda. I have the master plan. :hs:

Also, @Rej @Guillotina isn't it curious how Ace, who is known to be able to read Alice perfectly, was so certain Alice is mafia and since the flip has dipped out even though many hours have passed and has left us here to point fingers at each other while he eats his popcorn from the sidelines. Yeah he's busy, but he's not had one thing to say so far. That's flying under the radar 101. What him show up without a mention and defend himself and push me any second now. I'm ready for it. :pick: He's been lurking comfortably no doubt.
 
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Also, ftr Guillo. I'd have killed Tsq there so I think your shit on TR'ing me based on who I killed is wrong. and possibly even fabricated as I legit said yesterday that if Tsq was Town, I'd have killed them
Either it's fabricated or i missed that and i truly believed it, the fact that you are putting in doubt makes me townread you more, scum!you would have rode on that.
 

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I don't mind being looked into IIIIIIIF Ace is not scum, but that is not the narrative you were pushing, you were pushing for IIIIIIIF Ace is not scum, then I am, because TSQ said so.

It sounds opportunistic, sounded like a set up, as if you knew that Ace is not gonna flip scum and I'm gonna be your next mischop target and that's not gonna fly by me. IIIIIIIIF Ace is not scum then I think you are the most likely to be the scum for this. Why?

1) Because you are rushing us to lynch Ace, why? There is time and I wanna know what he thinks about the current game state.
2) Because you seem like you wanna use TSQ's death and legacy to manipulate others into lynching me next, if Ace flips town.
3) Because you are not the goddamn cop but you are certain that Ace is scum.

Maybe Ace genuinely thought that Soul was not mafia. Maybe you wouldn't believe this but town are very often, very wrong. Townies often tunnel other townies for irrational reasons. I just finished a game where I was town as well and I irrationally tunneled another widely town read player to death, only because I thought his reads were too good to be true, turns out he was just a way better player than myself. It happens all the time, maybe that is Ace's case. If Ace is scum, it is not because he tunneled, town tunnel all the time.

Now tell me. If Ace is not scum, who else could it be that is not me? This time I expect a real answer not a dodge to my question.
I agree. What is the case on Nikamara? I will be able to play later. No mobile charge plus I would like to hear Elmage out.
My suspicion on Nika is quoted here.
 
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@Nikamara see my replies inside the quote in bold.

you need to re-read carefully. I've been leaning town on your the entire time and never even sussed you. I even said If the game doesn't end when Ace flips mafia, that means there is a 3rd party and I'll be looking into Luk first.

1. I am quite certain Ace is scum and I'm not going to waver from that when it's an open an shut case.
2. Read all my post again and above. You're being oddly paranoid and defensive. I'm going to remember this.
3. I maybe not be the "goddamn cop" but I am a pretty good townie at least in the aspect of scum hunting. :facts:

1. Ok
2. Do remember this
3. So am I and i need to see why you are certain of Elmage guilty.


This defensiveness of yours does strike me as genuine town, but the fact that I've said multiple times with proof that that's not what I said and you're still pushing it seems tunnelly and you know who tunnels? Scum because they reasoning is flawed and they are trying to push wagons.

Just like you are certain of Almage guilty, im certain that you tried to use TSQs legacy to pain me as a wolf should Ace not flip scum. Scum don't tunnel, they can't! Or at least not in a way that town tunnels and I'm trying my best not to tunnel you, but you have to see it from my perspective that it is really odd that TSQ dies after she said that if Ace is not scum then I should be, something i could not refute because I was busy working, then you start pushing that narrative, it stroke me as suspicious because scum would ride on that to frame another townie based on a flipped town's legacy.

Not sure how experienced you are, I'm not claiming to be a mafia expert or anything, but if you are town you should look for the truth and the truth been said over and over again. You're getting bent out of shape over one misunderstanding. You looked at all my post before and town read me. The one you're sussing me over is a misunderstanding. It's clear you made a mistake and I mostly feel that you feel this way because your felt wrongly accused. Wasn't accusing you. I'm a straight shooter. If I were sussing you, There would be a wally explainig why in big red letters.

Let's make something very clear since you seem to be more experienced than me (i tunnel hard so i must be a noob), a townread should not mean that it stays there the rest of the game. It only takes one slip for a generally townread scum player to get rightfully chopped. I've caught players who have played a perfect scum game, just on one lie that eventually led to their demise. If I townread you, it's because given the game state i believe it, but scum wouldn't be doing their jobs if they were not getting townread. I could be wrong to suspect you are scum, but im not making a mistake calling you out on it.


Town wins mafia majority of the time statistically so actually Town is actually very often, very right. Maybe our communities are different but the only townies who tunnel for irrational reasons are usually newbs. Ace is by all accounts an expert. No one can get it 100% right as town all the time. Fait is a good example of that. I thought they were scum and he thought I was scum. But being wrong once doesn't make everything you say wrong. Ace isn't scum simply for the tunnel either. It;s just one aspect of my case. He's scummy because he was wishy washy at the day's end, willing to vote pretty much anyone, not Soul, but never giving a good reason why he wouldn't join the Soul Train (still fun to say) Furthermore, we thought that all the votes would be hidden. It's a situation where scum can let lose and slip up and try to save their scummate, a very important scummate mind you since Soul was the mafia role cop and I assume knowing names to write in their death note is something important. Furthermore, bussing day 1 for towncred is a whole thing that happens in mafia, but not often in small set ups like this. It's a very rare thing and the PoE should be ppl on the counterwagon (Ace, Alice) ppl on neither wagons (you and me) and then ppl on the Soul Train if necessary. That's mafia 101.

Ok, now that makes sense. If all of you guys thought that the vote was , then i see how Elmage looks shady for it. When i subbed in I saw that the vote was secret I thought wagonomics analysis was not gonna be possible and that sucks for me because i study that in all of my games i play. When i saw a final vote count, i thought “oooh, i see how scum could get caught doing sneaky shit here or town mischopped for playing sneaky”. I asked the host if it was ok to post my vote to the thread after sending it to her and she confirmed that i could.
If scum didnt know that votes would be revealed, then i could see how they would try to use the private vote as a sneaky way to try to mischop a townie.
The next question then is why scum decided to kill Fait over Denmon at night? Why did they need Denmon alive? Or did they make a mistake? Or did Fait scared them more?
 
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