[Game] AnimeBase Mafia Players Game!!! #29

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Alright, let's dive into about the mini mafia game we had. When I got kira role it was stated in the role that if I get lynched then I will receive major consequences. I am not sure what is exactly is going on with that game but I think it was mafia way of fucking townies some way or another.

As for the previous DP, I really thought I would be able to make it before the DP ends but I woke up very late and had some stuff I need to take care of asap and missed it. Honestly, I don't know about other people but gomes even tho he flipped green is still better lynch than other active players who had a chance of being lynched townies, because for the other players there is always a chance we might read them better. But a player who posts to meet the minimum requirement and coast/lurk all game is much more annoying to deal with to be honest.

As of this day, I don't really like how multiple people jumped into ancient wagon so fast because luke claimed he is mafia. What I don't like is how easily they trusted him and casted their votes. Like can't you think "hmmm maybe something is weird going on" like the dude has 8 votes already and honestly it feels like mafia are on that wagon already. Luke got mod killed and apparently he is tsq (explains the behavior i guess) so I am assuming it's safe to assume that ancient is mafia? but the thing is the wagon build up so fast against him I can feel it in my body that something weird is going on. Felt very opportunistic for me.

I am gonna make a post about my reads regarding the players so far.
 

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Alright, let's dive into about the mini mafia game we had. When I got kira role it was stated in the role that if I get lynched then I will receive major consequences. I am not sure what is exactly is going on with that game but I think it was mafia way of fucking townies some way or another.

As for the previous DP, I really thought I would be able to make it before the DP ends but I woke up very late and had some stuff I need to take care of asap and missed it. Honestly, I don't know about other people but gomes even tho he flipped green is still better lynch than other active players who had a chance of being lynched townies, because for the other players there is always a chance we might read them better. But a player who posts to meet the minimum requirement and coast/lurk all game is much more annoying to deal with to be honest.

As of this day, I don't really like how multiple people jumped into ancient wagon so fast because luke claimed he is mafia. What I don't like is how easily they trusted him and casted their votes. Like can't you think "hmmm maybe something is weird going on" like the dude has 8 votes already and honestly it feels like mafia are on that wagon already. Luke got mod killed and apparently he is tsq (explains the behavior i guess) so I am assuming it's safe to assume that ancient is mafia? but the thing is the wagon build up so fast against him I can feel it in my body that something weird is going on. Felt very opportunistic for me.

I am gonna make a post about my reads regarding the players so far.
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Good Lord, I really, REALLY hope you are post restricted or something X.
Not really.
I've provided two examples as to this. You've ignored this entirely.
This is not what I said. I wanted to know what your rationale behind those reads were, because you had established multiple town tiers, and I felt they were very strong tiers to be given out on Day 1 at that stage. Obviously you're not going to be as certain on their alignment as you are yours.
Okay?
I mean, do you want me to be reading you the same as I try to read Alice? I have different expectations for different players.
Given your vote, I strongly doubt this.
Well, that's what I'm trying to do, hello?
Based on what I've seen. You, too, were missing most of Day 1.
What? If you're scum, you'd have strong reason to believe I am town. That's just a matter of deduction? This is not hard.
Sure it is.
Qualify this claim.
Bolded is a lie. And I posted about today as I felt it was worthwhile.
Oh, come on. There are myriad possibilities on this, you've just picked one that suits your argument the best. It doesn't have more or less basis in fact than the idea he just picked any vote to sheep behind.
So, no real response from you, eh? I wonder if you're going to ask your scum buddies to take me out this game like you did last game.
 

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Alright let's get started.

Imp, honestly I have him currently as town read because of how genuine his contribution feels like, reminds me alot of last game and I feel he really puts the effort into his posts to be able to make conclusions. I played with him as mafia and saw him operate as townie and I can say that he is leaning townie for me as of now.

Rej, Usually i slam my head on the wall when it comes to reading rej but I feel like his contribution so far in the game is very townie like. I like how he is questioning stuff here and there, not really sold on his town core he made earlier in DP1 but it feels like he is trying to narrow things down and capture scum. I actually have him lean as townie for now, taking into account naomi who I read townie also read him as townie which makes me atleast little bit more comfortable placing him in my town lean for the moment. But again this is rej we are talking about, I can totally see him slipping under my radar. However, for now I am gonna have him as town lean

Ansatsuken, okay ansa is a tricky one usually I get a good read on him if he is scum but this game is being extremely aggressive and pursuing poison to death (not that I blame him tbh) now he is the type of player who usually improves his gamestyle every game so I won't be surprised if his scum game has improved but from what I am seeing so far tbh, it feels like townie ansa for me. I don't feel any malicious intentions from his posts, and his pursue against poison feels like it's townie motivated. I also have a feeling since this is a role madness game he might have a special win condition to lynch a specific player and that player happens to be poison? but that is entering into wifom territory a bit too much. For now I have ansa as town lean.


PK, the dude started with a good post. That by itself is can be either very good or very concerning, he usually lurk and provide little to no content when he is scum and when he is townie he kinda does the same thing lmao. So the fact he is actually making some decent posts especially early on is by itself worthy noting down. I will have my eyes on him and see how his behavior progress from this point on.

Alice, eh i usually hate reading alice and just depend on what my gut feeling is telling me regarding her. I am not really liking how she is asking alot of people if they think she is townie or scum. Like what is even the point of that question early on? you can be either, she shows some decent activity which I guess is good. But i need to see more of her before placing her anywhere.

Ryu, nothing much to say about him honestly, he is that type of player who is bit hard to read due to his nature on how he plays mafia, but he is showing similar patterns as his last game but is less aggressive i think. Need to see more of him.

Aether, that first post of him and the way he addressed my reply is enough to put him in my scum read rofl. But the dude usually plays super scummy even as townie so need to be careful when I read him. Let's just say that aether is a very special case.

Poison Chan, talking about special cases, this girl is indeed a special case alright. Reading her posts is like putting my brain through excessive damage. But putting that aside, she sure was super active DP1 and alot of her posts where fluff to be honest. She made some posts that made me scratch my head, in some of them it feels like she is taking things out of context and coming up with some weird conclusions that makes little sense like the "Hmmm" statement she made against ratchet. Not sure if many of her posts is fake or she is really hyped up about the game. When ansa was pushing her she got super defensive at one point and I pointed it out, it was very unnatural and felt like she was cracking under pressure. Didn't really view her in good light really and hopefully she can present herself in better light today because I do sense some genuine feeling from her sometimes. Depending on how she performs this DP I will make my final judgement on her.

Michelle, man usually I think i have good idea on how michelle play but this game something is off about her and I can't put my finger on it yet. I think i will have better reading when she picks up in activity.

Elmage, nothing to say regarding him so far, he usually get active and contribute in DP2 so we will see what he presents this DP.

Thestatusquo, tricky one here, he feels very relax this game and not going gunblazing like he usually do. I was very wary of him in the beginning but he made some posts that gave me some hope regarding him. I find it amusing how he is going for the low hanging fruit first, I would expect him to go for the active ones first, something to note down.

Beeboat, I said i view him townie in the beginning but i don't like the dip on activity and even right now I see no sign of him, concerning stuff.

AnglusSama, I need someone input about this guy, not sure what to make of him yet tbh. Currently null he made some posts here and there but can't quite place the agenda behind it.

Now I think i mentioned most people? if not then apologize in advance ._. but regarding both X and Ratchet, I believe that this is a W/T interaction going on right here. I initially read X as townie due to his frustration which honestly felt very townie like but then ratchet came quite aggressive at X and is now accusing him of being scum, X retaliated back and it's now a grand 1v1 between the two. I need to go back and read their posts again before I give in depth input about the situation but honestly, I believe the townie one among them is X here. I will come back to this after I read their back and forth again.
 

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Oh shit I forgot about tigerrr lmao well, I like her aggressive tone and how she is being pushy toward it but again we saw last game how she clawed her way to victory so obviously I am gonna view her at different light but from my interactions with her so far I think it's safe to put her in slight town lean tbh, I enjoyed her aggressiveness LMAO
 

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So, no real response from you, eh? I wonder if you're going to ask your scum buddies to take me out this game like you did last game.
There is a response. You just haven't properly read it, or you don't care to address it. Honestly, it bewilders me that you think this is an acceptable level of play even if you're scum. Like, I dunno man. I feel like I've explained myself pretty well, and your reaction to pressure has been very poor. The only thing I can think of is that you've got some post restriction that requires you to OMGUS anyone who comes after you, because failing that this isn't just the worst game I've seen you personally play, it's the worst level of play I've seen from any TMF'er worth their salt in at least a year. I'm trying to engage with you here but you refuse to do so. I'm going to say this one last time. Read my posts. Read them carefully. You keep going back to your reads list, that is irrelevant now. My pressure at the start was indeed just pressure, it was relatively insignificant, but your reaction to that, and your subsequent defence, has left an awful lot to be desired. I don't want to tunnel and just focus on one player you are really making it very hard.
Now I think i mentioned most people? if not then apologize in advance ._. but regarding both X and Ratchet, I believe that this is a W/T interaction going on right here. I initially read X as townie due to his frustration which honestly felt very townie like but then ratchet came quite aggressive at X and is now accusing him of being scum, X retaliated back and it's now a grand 1v1 between the two. I need to go back and read their posts again before I give in depth input about the situation but honestly, I believe the townie one among them is X here. I will come back to this after I read their back and forth again.
I feel like this is ludicrous, honestly. X is not, typically, an emotional player. I really dislike how you've claimed this must be scum vs town (how does one even come to that conclusion, without having a clear scum read on one player or the other?). I'll await your reread but I don't see how this is a difficult judgement call to make. One simply needs to just read my posts, then see how X has made a point to consistently miss what I'm getting at, attack something else, and then use that to discredit my position.

Moving on, I have a number of questions regarding the death note game -

Do the people who rolled Officer in that game also suffer penalties. It feels pointless if only Kira could potentially suffer them, as then the object would be for Kira to always win. Additionally, there must have been something positive to weigh that off. I point back to my earlier post regarding the potential risks for this - has your position now changed given that you're more informed about these events?
 

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I feel like this is ludicrous, honestly. X is not, typically, an emotional player. I really dislike how you've claimed this must be scum vs town (how does one even come to that conclusion, without having a clear scum read on one player or the other?). I'll await your reread but I don't see how this is a difficult judgement call to make. One simply needs to just read my posts, then see how X has made a point to consistently miss what I'm getting at, attack something else, and then use that to discredit my position.
That's the impression I got from the interactions, I feel like you were being a bit aggressive in a lynch here. But again as I said I need to reread it and will let ya know of my opinion when I make an ISO between your interactions. You seem bothered tho, is everything okay ratchet chan?

Moving on, I have a number of questions regarding the death note game -

Do the people who rolled Officer in that game also suffer penalties. It feels pointless if only Kira could potentially suffer them, as then the object would be for Kira to always win. Additionally, there must have been something positive to weigh that off. I point back to my earlier post regarding the potential risks for this - has your position now changed given that you're more informed about these events?

After participating in it I feel like it was to screw players over, again I am not sure what the consequences are, it clearly stated in my role that if I get lynched then I will receive major consequences. I am assuming it would of been the same case for the players who randed townie in the game as well that they have similar consequences if they don't lynch kira. What I believe after participating in such event is that it's possibly an event set up by either mafia or indie role as it seems to be solely negative and nothing good comes out from it.
 

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No, the only thing I got was being threatened of some consequences if i got lynched. Not sure exactly what is these consequences tho.
Do the people who rolled Officer in that game also suffer penalties. It feels pointless if only Kira could potentially suffer them, as then the object would be for Kira to always win. Additionally, there must have been something positive to weigh that off. I point back to my earlier post regarding the potential risks for this - has your position now changed given that you're more informed about these events?
Same as SK all I got was that if I lost I would receive a consequence. So if SK got nothing good from it, it was probably something to mess with town.
 

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Hello there my lovely children, I have finally awoken from my long slumber. In my sleep I had dreams of how I captured those filthy scum and brought them to justice, I remember torturing them for eons and was having the blast of my life. But then I woke up, it took me sometime to realize that everything I was experiencing was just a dream. I was confused, frustrated, and quite frankly very annoyed. But then I realized being me, I can easily duplicate my dreams and bring filthy scum to justice. The first step i took outside my house and took in that fresh air but I almost threw up. Those filthy scum scents was in the air, it kind of felt like I was inhaling a "poison" for a moment there. Get it? poison? no?.... I will just take my leave then.

Either way, their filthy scent put me in a bad mood. I took a glance on the vast land infront of me and I saw about 21 humans playing tag like bunch of children who have nothing better to do. "Guity" is what popped up in my head. That's right all those other 21 players are guilty and all of them deserve to have a taste of my holy justice, but the good spirit with in me and due to my infinite kindness. I knew that it's unfair so I decided to give them a trial, every single one of them and for those who fail my trials.... well.... let's just say by the time I am done with them, they will look like beautiful mashed potato ready to be served next to my steak. If you are a townie then you should fine, but if you are scum? pray to the gods I don't sniff you out.

One thing for certain though, today....

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Good and full of prospective talk In your introduction.

Lmao, this fits perfectly for you.



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Did rej just catch scum from the first page?


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This post I call it a joke post. NAI

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A gif
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A gif + pic

There is differently something different about him and I read it as townie so far tbh.



Honestly..... you deserve a townie read for that gif alone. Yes you are currently in my town read JUST BECAUSE of the gif. Simply beautiful, the fact that rej has a clown avatar makes it even better, it speaks to me in levels I never thought it was possible in a gif communication. But you did it, this is something that needs acknowledgment and green points. It's simply art!
  1. First part, SK's opinion on Beeboat. It's looks good.
  2. Second part, the way SK give green read to Naomi and Rej because of their gif communication is ridiculous. I don't remember town SK gave someone a green read from something trivial or something NAI like that. So I think the true purpose of that complimentary is not really to give Rej and Naomi a green read but to get into favorable position within them.Giving them a friendly vibes from SK. This's actually not really a buddy attempt but a friendly gesture from SK that makes town feels comfortable with him and think it's all good. Remember this Motto from Town SK "Every people is scum except him until proven other wise". So when he gave someone town read from trivial things it looks off. Town SK not gonna give Town read easily like that.
I will be waiting.


Go back to sleep, maybe you will have more good reads on people.

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Unfortunately, Queen emi is very much like you but at the same time not very much like you. I would say she is very townie if her posts give you that genuine feeling that they are coming from town.
  1. First part, looking at his activity in this game, his active rate and how he never made a follow-up for that part, so it just an empty talk.
  2. Second part, that gif looks like SK is mocking Michelle.
  3. Third part, he know so much about Queen Emi.
Luk is usually all over the place without any specific direction, he is like a headless goose with a gun running around, I think that's just how his playstyle is and you have to accept the fact that it might possibly never change and he will never regain his head.


I think he was just being sarcastic ansa....
  1. First part, nice advice.
  2. Second part, OK
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Hi there, ya can call me SK!

Vote Lynch: Gomes

welcome to the base.
Typical SK's entrance vote.

Damn, so if i start making walls the size of china ya gonna trust me too?

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Good reality check for Tigerrr

this is not how you are supposed to play mafia alice....

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I lol'd


Okay I was not gonna leave the entire Ansa vs Poison for later since it's too much for my poor brain to handle right now. But damn, ya sure are getting a bit defensive here. Did ansa by any chance poke a scum?

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Yes I think I have poke a scum.

Okay, these two posts of tsq makes me feel much better about him.
So you read TSQ as Town?

That's because scum usually does not need to understand anything to move forward. They know who is scum and who is townie and less likely to actually understand what's going on because they don't need to. They are just faking everything, and the fact that you confirm that you are not taking your time to understand anything is concerning. Did you rand scum again tigerrr?
I can agree with you here.


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Look, even you face palmming when reading Poison's response. She's not Town.

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Ok SK from my observation you are the definition of CWAC in this game so far. For Tigerrrr it's only her first couple of posts but for you it's near entirely. There was no interrogation and prodding a player coming from you. You were never scum hunting at all in the previous DP. Your complement post towards Naomi look Scummy. You were responding to a lot of posts using gif. I never seen it being done a lot by Town SK before. So Scummy.

But SK I'm going to give you a benefit of a Doubt here. You're null but lean towards being scum to me.
 

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That's the impression I got from the interactions, I feel like you were being a bit aggressive in a lynch here. But again as I said I need to reread it and will let ya know of my opinion when I make an ISO between your interactions. You seem bothered tho, is everything okay ratchet chan?
I am bothered. X has claimed to have 100% that I'm Anti-Town, which is throwing my read all over the place with him. I'm having a really, really hard time reconciling his play as any one alignment right now because it's just so... sub-optimal however I slice it. Like I mention it's fairly unlikely he comes this hard after me if he is scum and he responds to say that if he were scum, he'd have no idea about my role as if that means anything to the point at hand? He also went on to discredit my argument against him being scum, yet by his logic, I'm trying to muddy the waters regarding him, and thusly have no motivation to even begin to walk back my scum read anyway? And apparently, no one else in the game has picked up on this, which has me even more paranoid about it.

In terms of being aggressive for pushing a lynch, I mean not really. I certaintly went aggressively at the start, but aside from my vote I didn't make much of a push. I wasn't even here for the entirety of EoD1.

On a side note, you still haven't explained how you got the impression that it was Scum v Town before you got a strong scum read on either of us.
After participating in it I feel like it was to screw players over, again I am not sure what the consequences are, it clearly stated in my role that if I get lynched then I will receive major consequences. I am assuming it would of been the same case for the players who randed townie in the game as well that they have similar consequences if they don't lynch kira. What I believe after participating in such event is that it's possibly an event set up by either mafia or indie role as it seems to be solely negative and nothing good comes out from it.
So in other words... I was right all along? So, theorycrafting time:

I think an indie role is fairly likely, or it's simply a mechanic of the game. Given the information we have to hand, if it were predominantly a scum (mafia) role then there would be little reason for any of them to /in, but that in turn would make it fairly easy for town to form a bloc on the basis that people who /in are more likely town than not. So you can argue that Mafia would /in anyway, and if they have immunity to these consequences all the more so, but that requires a number of assumptions and I'm just not sure it makes sense as a scum role. I mean, if the idea behind it is to bait people into joining, then after one day it's clear there is no reason for anyone to join, making that a rather difficult feat to achieve.
Same as SK all I got was that if I lost I would receive a consequence. So if SK got nothing good from it, it was probably something to mess with town.
Fair enough.

If nothing else, I hope people will start to listen to me for once in this game, and pay due caution when things like this occur.
 

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On a side note, you still haven't explained how you got the impression that it was Scum v Town before you got a strong scum read on either of us.
I will iso your interaction and will come back to you. As regarding how I feel it's a S/T interaction, ya can call it gut feeling. Unless if you somehow think this is a T/T interaction going on here which then ya need to explain yourself.
 

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Reads List -

Poison-Chan - Lean Town

This one will probably come across as surprising, but having just played on the same scum team as her - Poison is very unconfident in her scum game. In this one, however, she is insisting that she should be town read - this is poor play of course, but it reveals a mindset to me that Poison feels she is playing a game that people have typically read her as town for, and is frustrated it isn't going that way. I'm not fully confident in this read by any means, as she may simply have more time to dedicate to this one which is resulting in the difference in play, but I don't know. I'm probably not voting here any time soon.

Imperfection - Lean Town

A bit of a guess really. Imperfection has kind of just been here in this game for me. That said, mygeneral feeling from his posts are that he's trying to solve the game. Based on last game, I feel like he'd be a lot more cagey than he is here, if he were scum.

-PK- - Lean Town

His arguments have felt genuine enough. To be honest, I haven't paid enough attention to him, so this should probably be null, but I don't see much of any difference between this game and the last one.

SoulKiller - Lean Scum

A gut read, honestly. I don't really propose a lynch here, but Soul's play this game has felt fairly opportunistic. I've yet to see him really get his teeth into something and the few interactions I've had with him so far have not given me a good feeling about him. But I think a lot of players approached Day 1 fairly apathetically, myself included, so this read is subject to change based on his content this DP.

Toujo - N/A

I never saw much reason in giving a read on myself.

Elmage - Lean Scum

When he subbed in last game, Elmage was immediately a threat. Even though I felt I got him onside then, I was constantly wary, as he was clearly hunting out scum and had the capacity to do so. There is a reason he was killed fairly early on. This game? He's not really done any of that. Someone mentioned he tends to get going more in Day 2, so we'll see.
Ansatsuken - Lean Scum

This is a difficult read, because I have almost enough reason to read him as Town. For example - his above case on Soul. I doubt they're scum together, to be honest. But I don't know, I guess I expected him to pay more attention to my slot this game? It seems like he's been fairly content to just let me do whatever I please. Which gives me the impression he doesn't want to get into it with me this game. But you know, now I've typed this out, it could simply be nothing about my play has set him off yet. i think I'm moving him into Null/Lean Town. I really am flipping both ways on him right now. Please try to engage me more Ansa <3.

TSQ - Null

I don't know how to read this guy. He feels like Luk 2.0. Town, I guess? Meh. I don't even know what to look for.

Michelle - Null

Mich's play thus far has been pretty disappointing. That said, she's also playing in NF's favourites, which after a 48 hour Day 1 had over 4,300 posts made in the thread. I can understand it being time consuming. Would like to see less bystanding from her this DP.

beeboat - Lean Town

A bit of a guess, beeboat is a good player who can replicate his play as either alignment. I feel like one post stands out - where beeboat points out how he believes X is telling the truth regarding his circumstances. That tells me beeboat is genuinely processing the posts made, so he gets a lean town for now.

Alice - Lean Town

Gut read. I don't have much to say about Alice's play. I struggle with reading players like her, but I don't want to just keep her in Null all game either.

Ryu - Lean Scum

Has this guy done anything of note this game? Honestly, if there are vig targets, he should be one of them. Last game he was a lot more active and persistent.

Angelus - Null

Feels a bit cheap giving him Null, especially as he has a lot of content from him, but a lot of it just doesn't ping me one way or the other. I'm going to need to engage with this guy at some point. Gun to head - town?

Rej - Lean Town

Rej has been very proactive this game. I don't see this as, what was the term, powerwolfing? That being said, all those town reads, and Naomi was the kill? Might not be as weird as one thinks, really. I am wary he's getting an easy pass through this game, though.

XTMF - Lean Scum

Honestly, it's more I'm hoping he's scum. Because if he's town, I'm going to need some sort of explanation for his play this game. I'm backing off of him a bit as I want to see what he's going to do outside of my pressure, but I really hope he tries to level with me here. He's obviously not the lynch today, but definitely worth revisiting Day 3 if his content doesn't improve.

JJCB - Null

Like Mich, he's also in Favourites. He's also very active there. I'm disappointed in Juan thus far. He's done almost nothing all game. I know he can do better. Please be more active, otherwise it's only going to get harder and harder to engage yourself.

Queen Emila/The Ancient Centurion - Scum

Not much point going too deep here. Short of sanity affecting results, this should be a scum flip. I didn't love how he buddied my vote last DP, and I can't fully reconcile that as him looking to bus a scum mate either, which is throwing my X read off. As for Emilia herself, she made one post, and the only thing of note I had for her was that, out of everything in the thread, she saw fit to comment on a signature containing cake, and nothing else whatsoever. It felt like a very cagey, inhibited mindset, so I'm not entirely surprised to see this slot as red.

Tigerrr - Town

Probably my strongest town read. She's way more aggressive than last game. If she's changed her scum game this quickly then fair play. I'm being careful not to sell Tigerr short though, as I think she is capable of improving very quickly. Still, not lynching here any time soon.

Aether - Null

I don't think he's put much effort into this game so far. Gun to head - scum.

I can't put together a scum team from these. If we assume the Emilia/Centurion slot is flipping scum, I'd probably move X to Null, and check whatever interactions Centurion had. I think I'd move Ryu to Null/Town too, due to Emilia's one post being directed there of all places.
 
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