[Game] AnimeBase Mafia Players Game!!! #29

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Can I just say, it concerns me greatly how quick people were to sign up to this. We have no idea what the risks entail, and yet four people just jumped at the chance, presumably to win a Death Note shot or something. I assume if anyone is informed as to these events, it's scum, but as you can't all be scum (probably) - can we please pay a little more care to what we /in on?
Ratchet chan, ya need to have some excitement in your life sometimes. No need to be paranoid all the time, go into the unknown abyss and relieve in the sense of adventure, that's what makes things interesting and make your Adrenalin sky rocket.

As for the probability that scum might be among one of the 4 people who signed in is possible but at the same time there is a chance that scum is not even necessary among the players who in'ed even.
 

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Can I just say, it concerns me greatly how quick people were to sign up to this. We have no idea what the risks entail, and yet four people just jumped at the chance, presumably to win a Death Note shot or something. I assume if anyone is informed as to these events, it's scum, but as you can't all be scum (probably) - can we please pay a little more care to what we /in on?
I agree with Ratchet here
 

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Ratchet chan, ya need to have some excitement in your life sometimes. No need to be paranoid all the time, go into the unknown abyss and relieve in the sense of adventure, that's what makes things interesting and make your Adrenalin sky rocket.

As for the probability that scum might be among one of the 4 people who signed in is possible but at the same time there is a chance that scum is not even necessary among the players who in'ed even.
I understand your point, I do. But it isn't paranoia that is fueling my objection to this. It's the simple fact that this is an entirely unknown element that offers considerable risk for a reward we cannot yet quantify. I understand that we need to partake in it to be able to quantify it, but I would have liked to have some discussion around it first, instead of people rushing to /in without any real care for a consensus or nominations or anything.

As for the probability of scum being in that 4, I mean it's possible. But that probability changes depending on what is the underlying cause of this event, and if it's to be a recurring thing.

For example, if it's an entirely random event. then the probability is reduced to picking any 4 players from a list, whom just happened to be online at the time. Satistically, there should be scum in any 4 players you pick, but that's a nonsensical justification for any argument in Mafia. If these events come from a town role, this remains much the same. If scum are informed about these events, and know they are traps, then the probability that scum is in that 4 is drastically lowered, and lastly if scum are informed and know when these events will occur and that they provide clear boons for mitigatable risk, then the chances of scum being present is increased. Which is all to say, my point was that /in'ing so early was careless, not that it was scummy.
 
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I understand your point, I do. But it isn't paranoia that is fueling my objection to this. It's the simple fact that this is an entirely unknown element that offers considerable risk for a reward we cannot yet quantify. I understand that we need to partake in it to be able to quantify it, but I would have liked to have some discussion around it first, instead of people rushing to /in without any real care for a consensus or nominations or anything.

As for the probability of scum being in that 4, I mean it's possible. But that probability changes depending on what is the underlying cause of this event, and if it's to be a recurring thing.

For example, if it's an entirely random event. then the probability is reduced to picking any 4 players from a list, whom just happened to be online at the time. Satistically, there should be scum in any 4 players you pick, but that's a nonsensical justification for any argument in Mafia. If these events come from a town role, this remains much the same. If scum are informed about these events, and know they are traps, then the probability that scum is in that 4 is drastically lowered, and lastly if scum are informed and know when these events will occur and that they provide clear boons for mitigatable risk, then the chances of scum being present is increased. Which is all to say, my point was that /in'ing so early was careless, not that it was scummy.
I understand where you are coming from, but I am an adventurist by nature If there is some risks that will come out of it then I welcome it. Anything that gives me the thrill of adventure I welcome it with open arms.
 
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WOW my colors barely show up. Hopefully you can discern the color from only the numbers before each name.
If I'm supposed to get something from these, it's lost on me. My understanding is obviously the closer to red the colour is, the scummier they find them. This is a needlessly obtuse way of presenting your reads. I gather that Ansa and Luk are your two main scum reads, but I'm confused as to your placement of me then. I don't know why you have a town lean on Aether, I don't know why you read TSQ and Angelus as Townie as you read yourself, and I don't know why you wasted all this time sorting these people out into reads with nothing yet supporting them (from you).

No, I've had enough. It's time to start trying harder X. We're over halfway through the phase, and this is all you have to show for it. For starters, let's hear the rationale behind your top two scum reads and your top two town reads, and then we can work through why you've sorted these as so.

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ABSOLUTELY NOT. I found you scummy because of you appearing and just shading only one post of mine with doing nothing else or literally nothing about why that response didn't suit your taste. And the fact you didn't bother to look at any other posts or anything?!
You call that shading. Are you for real Poison?

The bolded part, twll me where I gave false accusations and made up things against you. A general thing everyone does when get falsy accused is to defend themselves by providing evidences against the accuser.
First you were saying that I'm doing something that your scum self tend to do. But what is that.

I have notified all players beforehand that I'm not going to be active for long period of time because of working. This is the post,
Hello guys, morning here.

I going to post something after I'm going back from work. Just want to tell my presence here.
So you're telling me that you always done something like this in your entire Scum career? But I think it's more of an excuse, scum excuse. They don't want to be very active so they create excuse upon excuse. But I'm writing it for real. I have real life matter to attend.



I demand those. Prove me wrong, show me where I was wrong to form the read on you?
OK I bring your post here,
Ansa is town.
Mich is null atm even though she posts like something similar D1 as town but it is not something to town read her for yet, she can easily post like that as scum mich.

Rej, which i find is interesting, he has been more enthusiastic and not being his usual weird self. I get positive vibes from him although not at all enough to town read him yet.

I'm not liking X for I have seen him completely different last game and had interacted with him which is again no where how he has acted so far.

Same goes for AngelusSama, he as far as I remember when subbed in for someone in some game!? Was solvy and I could instantly town read him but I see no sign of that here.

In the sign up thread I got to talk to him and he said he would sub out as scum, so I'm assuming he is also like me awkward being scum? If that's the case his appearance so far is not good, and of course is not enough to judge but I won't expect town to come and make two posts where without reading or commenting on anything that person calls a catching up response weird and vanishes again.

Waiting for you guys to actually start posting so as to get a wider view on you two.
  • You said "he as far as I remember when subbed in for someone in some game!? Was solvy and I could instantly town read him but I see no sign of that here."
Yes I'm aware of that. But here how you can accused me of not trying to solve something when I couldn't do that at that time because of real life duty. That point you used to scum read me is unfounded.

  • You said "In the sign up thread I got to talk to him and he said he would sub out as scum, so I'm assuming he is also like me awkward being scum? If that's the case his appearance so far is not good,"
So you really believe what I'm saying there? And I'm still here. So your point is mute.

  • You said "I won't expect town to come and make two posts where without reading or commenting on anything that person calls a catching up response weird and vanishes again."
I have addressed this matter earlier. But one thing I want to tell you I think you were clearly dismissing all things I have said in my first post. You just wanted to suspect me irregardless. Very convenient.



Low posters are easy targets sure, but there are more than you and X who are low posters, don't you think? And would it be foolishness if I'm scum and I'm going against the low posters like that?
Based on your weak reasoning to suspect me yes I think its foolish for scum to try very hard to 'suspect' me using that reasoning and carried it anywhere. Tbh you're shading me more than I'm shading you, I think there was non from me.

If you're not trying to shade that means you got an immature scum hunting play. You need to improve.

I give you room for a doubt because you've given me a room to prove something. So you're null but slightly towards scum for me.
 
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If I'm supposed to get something from these, it's lost on me. My understanding is obviously the closer to red the colour is, the scummier they find them. This is a needlessly obtuse way of presenting your reads. I gather that Ansa and Luk are your two main scum reads, but I'm confused as to your placement of me then. I don't know why you have a town lean on Aether, I don't know why you read TSQ and Angelus as Townie as you read yourself, and I don't know why you wasted all this time sorting these people out into reads with nothing yet supporting them (from you).

No, I've had enough. It's time to start trying harder X. We're over halfway through the phase, and this is all you have to show for it. For starters, let's hear the rationale behind your top two scum reads and your top two town reads, and then we can work through why you've sorted these as so.

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Interesting reaction. It's almost like you were waiting to pounce on me.

Didn't you already repeat that first line on Poison this game? How is this obtuse, Ratchet? You act like you've never seen a reads list before. I think there's something different about Ansa right out of the gate and I feel like he's playing too aggressively. I also don't like how he's chosen Poison and Tiger as his first targets to pick on; two members of the scum team last game. While Ansa doing this could be just his pent-up frustration from last game, his actions and reactions almost seem too methodically compared to last game where I felt he was more natural and easy-going. Luk has also been a tad aggressive, but dissimilar to the purely chaotic aggression he was showing last game. There were also a couple of specific things, but I've forgotten already (if you really must know, I suppose I can ISO Luk later). Your placement is simply yellow, not too suspicious, but still on the list. Your defense of Bee and you saying "I mean, given he was scum last game, Bee would have motivation to subtly change how he plays regardless of what he rolled, no?" pinged me because reading your posts this game, you are playing differently than I think I've ever seen you play before, and I just pinged on that subtle connection. Aether gets a soft blue town read because I've watched him play town now twice in a row and feel this could be the start of his town game as well (TBD). I think TSQ seemed game and ready to play and stir up the pot a bit. Angelus nicely defended himself from Poison's accusations (which I believe was her stirring up the pot a bit). And I mean, are you really questioning why I read myself town? Should I put myself on my own scum list? What are you trying to get at there?

What have you had enough of, exactly? You and I have not had a single interaction yet in this game, you actually defended me when Poison accused me of being scum because I was apparently playing like her scum meta, and I've clearly stated I was going to be busy until now. I was up at three thirty this morning to go and work for twelve hours (including six hours of driving) and I'm exhausted and want to go play Fallen Order. However, as I promised last night, I came on to catch up and be a respectful player to the host and my fellow players. Now, if you're not scum, **** you because you're being rude. Any other questions?
 

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Thank ya, but last game where I made a scummier introduction (my meta read list and such) I was also town. I wouldn't town lock me just for my one post intro tbh.
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But as always I can never really put @Alice in Noodleland and @Rej into any side but on the neutral list! Sigh...

That is your mission In this Game Miss Penguin. Read me. Tunnel me. ISO me.
It should be easy to caught Scum Alice ( talking about Mr.. XD not the game flavour me.)
 
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Really? How can you get towny vibes from Alice!? Uhh?

Because..
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I'm pretty sure you were gone for most of it, and all I remember is you saying a hi and a bye and othjng in between. Something I very much like to do as a scum!

The post I'm waiting for to say.. PROTECT THE penguins! Welcome to my TR pile Prith!!
 
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Interesting reaction. It's almost like you were waiting to pounce on me.
Lewd. But also yes.
Didn't you already repeat that first line on Poison this game?
Indeed. For different reasons, but yes.
How is this obtuse, Ratchet? You act like you've never seen a reads list before.
It's not the reads list that's the issue. It's the weird system you've used that just makes it harder to determine due to the order it is placed in. I don't know what's wrong with "Town/Lean-Town/Null/Lean-Scum/Scum", and ranking the list in order roughly. Instead of using like 7 different colours to represent the same thing.
I think there's something different about Ansa right out of the gate and I feel like he's playing too aggressively. I also don't like how he's chosen Poison and Tiger as his first targets to pick on; two members of the scum team last game. While Ansa doing this could be just his pent-up frustration from last game, his actions and reactions almost seem too methodically compared to last game where I felt he was more natural and easy-going.
That's fair. It has also pinged me a little, how I've made some attempts to discuss with Ansa, but he has made no effort at all to engage with me. I feel like if the angle was just mere frustration, then I should also be an object of that for him, in fact he should be feeling very confident in his ability to read me right about now. So to make no effort at all on his end is surprising to me.
Luk has also been a tad aggressive, but dissimilar to the purely chaotic aggression he was showing last game. There were also a couple of specific things, but I've forgotten already (if you really must know, I suppose I can ISO Luk later).
Not so sure about this one. Last game I started to engage Luk, but pulled off when it was looking like I was going to be a leading lynch candidate, and never picked it back up again because there was no reason to do so. I want to hold his feet to the fire more this game, and I feel a number of his posts have been nonsensical. I don't however see his play as drastically different from last game.
Your placement is simply yellow, not too suspicious, but still on the list. Your defense of Bee and you saying "I mean, given he was scum last game, Bee would have motivation to subtly change how he plays regardless of what he rolled, no?" pinged me because reading your posts this game, you are playing differently than I think I've ever seen you play before, and I just pinged on that subtle connection.
Eh. I mean, I'm not wrong. If Bee rolled scum again, he'd have reason to change it up, and he has the fluidity in his approach to easily do just that. As for me playing differently, I mean I guess? My point is to say that, Town or Scum, using just the last game as a baseline for expected behaviour for any alignment is somewhat flawed. You actually have a town read on Bee, which is interesting given this rationale.
Aether gets a soft blue town read because I've watched him play town now twice in a row and feel this could be the start of his town game as well (TBD).
I'll be frank - I'm not even going to pretend to understand this one. I don't find Aether particularly scummy. I just don't notice anything of note he's done. I think Aether would agree with that assessment too.
I think TSQ seemed game and ready to play and stir up the pot a bit. Angelus nicely defended himself from Poison's accusations (which I believe was her stirring up the pot a bit). And I mean, are you really questioning why I read myself town? Should I put myself on my own scum list? What are you trying to get at there?
I feel like you missed my point here. My issue was you'd ranked those two players at the same level as you ranked yourself - what am I to take from that if not "very strong town read"? I actually don't really care much for people including themselves in their own reads lists, but when you introduce the styling you have, and you put yourself at the top (obviously) and teo others share that position, I'm going to question it when it comes without reason.
What have you had enough of, exactly? You and I have not had a single interaction yet in this game, you actually defended me when Poison accused me of being scum because I was apparently playing like her scum meta, and I've clearly stated I was going to be busy until now. I was up at three thirty this morning to go and work for twelve hours (including six hours of driving) and I'm exhausted and want to go play Fallen Order.
I mean, I believe you on that. I just wasn't impressed by what you put forth when you did come into this thread. Most of this post is much better though, at least because it gives some reasons behind your logic, and reasons I actually find, well... reasonable. Yet, I'm not removing my vote just yet, because...
However, as I promised last night, I came on to catch up and be a respectful player to the host and my fellow players. Now, if you're not scum, **** you because you're being rude. Any other questions?
I dislike this part. Particularly the bolded. It feels like an Appeal to Emotion, forcing me to either accept I'm being rude or I'm scum. I don't feel like I have been rude, all told. Aggressive, maybe? Sure. One more question - between Ansa and Luk, which one would you prefer to lynch today?
 
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Alice is Alice I can never read her so I'm going to say town
Good job. I'm putting you on my neutral list for now.



got the best flavor, tbh, I could not get a better flavor, like for real!!!! And I'm pretty sure I lot of people would be jealous of my role post game. :liar:

Plot twist : You Randed as Oreki.
 
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