[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[Ansatsuken]

@AL_sama do you remember when i was mislynched in day one and scum won because townies were the ones who lynched me and during the game town just kill themselves? If you are villager, and this is the second time i am asking you, step up yourself and play seriously.
I dislike i was sheeped in my vote for you by Bee who vanished and by Luke who after i town lean him dissapeard from the thread. I don't say this makes them bad, but anyway that makes them lazy :/

@beeboat @TheLukundo come with your own ideas about Al please.

Which game?

 

[Toujo]

Do you have any read that you would defend today?
If not, who is in your lynch pool, who is in never day 1 lynch and who is in you don't care if they get lynched pile?

Probably just X. I wouldn't want him lynched Day 1 regardless, because that would be boring.

Do you usually play with your cards close to your chest?

Yes. Like to a fault, even.

 

[AL_sama]

@Poison chan its been almost 48 hours since I asked you to give your reads

 

[Michelle]

Gimme time till next phase.
I got my final year research project to submit by 15th. Once this is done I'll be free.

requesting time for studies smh... that means DP2 isn't it?

@Michelle, did you ask for his reads back there when he had 3 scums and 1 town?

iirc i did. anyway i will not iso myself to search it.

Imperfections - For his effort. I think if he's a scum he will be afraid to mention all those players and let them shift their focus on him.


Luk- for his early interactions and being open. But to be honest.. I'm taking a closer look. ThePoison - LUK- Michelle interactions became Toujou's focal point earlier this DP while Al's lynch being push. Its kinda like he is being a diversion at this point.

Can you share your reads and expand a little your read for Al?

Do people here have a thinking if Poison really a Scum would she just neglect her role and her team and chose to concentrate on her MU preparation?

Yes I know she has told us about what she gonna do if she rand scum.

So the question is "is it really happening right now?"

Idk. I won't vote to lynch Poison this day anyway.

Red's wallie was unreable, like Ansas

How do you know how to judge Red if you don't read it?

 

[Kyte_]

I read this post, and all the quotes attatched. But where is the elaboration? You claim my arguments are full of holes, yet haven't pointed to a single "hole". You say I'm attatching more depth to something than it deserves, but fail to establish both that it is undeserving of this depth, and also why seeking to scratch beneath the surface of said posts is a bad thing. You complain I pointed towards Imperfection, and insist that there should have been things there that demanded my attention more, but fail to establish exactly why that is. I engaged with Imperfection because that is how I am going to be able to read him. As you can see, in our back and forth, Imperfection tripped himself up - nowhere there did I lead him on in that regard. You point to three things that I should have paid more attention to. I don't really understand what you're getting at with 2 and 3, but 1 is fairly simple - why did I not see fit to address Michelle's vote on me? Because it's the RVS. There was no need or value for me to engage with that vote whatsoever. One of the flaws of RVS is that when it is clear that it is RVS, it loses its meaning and weighting.

In regards to my AL point, I think I made it pretty clearly. I wasn't entirely fond of how, when asked to provide a meta on me, he deflected to "he just changes it every game". While I am certainly capable of this, the majority of Al's experience with me should have come from OJ. On OJ, I was one of the coaches who ran the section. Which is to say, my playstyle there was designed to be as informative and offer as many learning points as possible. So while his statement was technically true, that should not have been his experience with me.

I didn't address anything at you because I felt no need to do so. You were speaking about me, within the context of AL. Failing any actual accusations, there isn't a lot I can say to them, and there is no value in a one-sided discussion. I don't feel the need to address each and every thing someone says against me. That would require me to spend most of my time defending, and moreover is somewhat overdefensive.

I'm not sure I understand the last sentence. How, exactly, would I be exploiting my own experience? You yourself, in this very post, claimed you were unimpressed with what I had put forward, so if I am exploiting my experience here, I must be doing a pretty poor job of it. I feel like you've dismissed a lot of what I've said in this game because it's wordy and terminology-heavy, which isn't a fair way to approach this.

That was an essay on how to grasp for straws.

When you claim that you don't need to spend all the time defending yourself, I would like to remind you that these very same remarks have been pointed out by several members who are theoretically town (for the same of the argument). And all you've done so far is desperately parroting to push away, instead of addressing them properly.If you're a townie, it would be more worthwhile to address what you claim to be ill-formed arguments, before interrogating other players, as they might very possibly be the leading reason for Town's demise.

How do you claim that you simply hadn't paid attention to my post in question when you've referenced it in your own post about your alignment-read on me...?! You've also been all over thread, I can't hold not value to that kind of response.

Why exactly would you not address anything that's within the context of AL (And no, they aren't? I've explained this in the last post).

Jokes on you, I know well that you have no valid response which is why you're beating around the bush, and even took the initiative to squeeze in that paragraph reciting something about why you didn't address anything I brought up, like you saw my follow-up coming. Indeed, you didn't quite address anything... Except maybe Michelle's vote.

I'll take you on your arguments with Michelle, here's a track-back on how your interaction with Michelle started:

So you've basically implied that you'd be delighted to see her delivering a list of reads on the players. Nothing wrong with that.

By EoD, do you mean by end of day 1? Because if so, that's great news for us. I sure hope you'll be delivering.

tnx 4 patience ^^

She clearly would've rather delayed her reads, but you've hastily asked for it, and pressured her slightly into opening up, claiming that there's a reasonable amount of time to pull fairly simply tells on the game. Not the most professional, but no problem.... Until she posts her read on Luk based on dozens of pages and previous experience with him... to which you start nitpicking at her intake on the game, and shade her for making a low tier meta read

Care to share what these tells are? Because if it's as obvious as a 1 day read, then I would expect it's a fairly simple one.
If you can't see the content, then I really can't help you. Read the thread, maybe?

Luke plays the same as both AIs as number of posts, lenght, words, votes.
It's all about his valse on the thread who says that he's pushing a narrative or he is uninformed. Tone of posts are way more serious and game related as villager.
My accuracy at Eod 1 in regarding him is around 75%.

I can say rn that his reads he gave me put him in the slight town lean just because he did them.

Huh, Town read? Given your listed criteria, I was actually thinking the opposite. But you know him better than I do. Seems like a rather low level meta read, though.

i wish to know if i answered at your questions or not and if not you should ask what you want to know.

It's important to note that at the time Michelle had her vote on you. You didn't address it, no. You preferred to throw her into a loop of arguments and come out as an overly-skeptic, and an actively scum-hunting town.

There are other examples where you had been looking for something to pin on your opponent and then attribute their behavior to their intentions, trying to force it into being scummy. This isn't an attitude of an experienced mafia player. Rather an experienced scum.

 

[Michelle]

if its logical than you should push me too I was about to get back to those who are pushing me but nah I changed my mind I won't defend myself at all my lynch will provide good chunk of info to catch scum @Houtarou no idea if its cause of your mood or what but you're being odd some of your posts gives town vibes some don't and oddly enough you aren't really trying to push anyone and being passive I m in between null and scum reading you

your lynch will provide little infos if you are villager, what infos provided the lynch of TSQ in day 1 in that game? Nada. Scum won.
I gave you 2 eg of a horrible mislynch in day 1. And me and TSQ both defended ourselves but town was blind.

I don't say you should defend, but you should post more.
Aand you promised an answer at my case for you and i don't remember to read it..

mich I love this game so I won't game throw I m pretty clear on what I m doing and how it might play out

also no I m not goofing around

Unvote

i am releasing pressure, partially because something don't feels right with the wagon, partially because i like the tone of this last post.

 

[Kyte_]

Vote Lynch: Touji

Beating around the bush would solidify this vote. I'm looking for a genuine reply, and not a desperate attempt of justification. I do not doubt that you're capable of draining the whole thread with it.

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

if its logical than you should push me too

I was about to get back to those who are pushing me but nah I changed my mind I won't defend myself at all

my lynch will provide good chunk of info to catch scum

@Houtarou no idea if its cause of your mood or what but you're being odd some of your posts gives town vibes some don't and oddly enough you aren't really trying to push anyone and being passive

I m in between null and scum reading you

I just gave my fast understanding of Red.s post to Luke.
Also from what I remember it felt like your posts are too much of an easy push.
Something feels so... like you have no motivation or smth.
Especially after I see that you say you won.t defend yourself.
Ok i really have to drag myself to iso some players x.x

 

[Michelle]

Probably just X. I wouldn't want him lynched Day 1 regardless, because that would be boring.
Yes. Like to a fault, even.

in a game with other 18 players you have no oppinion on them after 1200 posts?

 

[XTMF]

My Town read on X I feel is fairly established as to why it's there. To summarise, I have something of a tell in regards to him, and he is not meeting that currently, which indicates town. It's a very slight thing, so when I say town read, it's not like I'm going to defend him or anything. Though I doubt he needs me to do so anyway.

It's interesting you think you have a scum tell on me when last time I rolled scum in Allara's game I had everyone singing my tune, even you.

 

[Kyte_]

my lynch will provide good chunk of info to catch scum

No, it won't.

 

[Kyte_]

@Aether9 @XTMF reads on Touju?

and AL?

 

[Michelle]

Do you have any read that you would defend today?
If not, who is in your lynch pool, who is in never day 1 lynch and who is in you don't care if they get lynched pile?

Do you usually play with your cards close to your chest?

Probably just X. I wouldn't want him lynched Day 1 regardless, because that would be boring.

Yes. Like to a fault, even.

in a game with other 18 players you have no oppinion on them after 1200 posts?

Reposting and putting the quotes like they should be in a mafia game to be seen.

I mean i understand you are secretive, but one single player you want to play with and this no matter AI is a sad answer...

 

[XTMF]

I'm so close to paying my goodbyes to our esteemed guest too early into the game, depending on his reply. It won't be an easy decision, because it will backfire greatly if he's indeed town, so i'm not rushing anything.

On a lighter note, Luk's posts have been subpar, in my opinion. I feel like he has deliberately set a low standard for his arguments, so they'd be easily brushed off as jests or not-serious whenever he wants. Not a big fan, especially when he's jumped between the highest number of votes. Bold move, nevertheless.

Speaking of bold, The Alliance X has proposed is very. Can anyone enlighten me on his experience level?

I've been playing for just about eight years.

 

[XTMF]

@Aether9 @XTMF reads on Touju?

and AL?

I don't think Toujo is the lynch today. I do agree his play begs to be looked into further, and I don't know if he's coming out like this because he's excited to play or because it's his first real game here, but I do feel there's something slightly different in his approach. This isn't me suspecting or soft-pushing him, though, I just think I need to dive into the arguments he's had this phase. I just know how he plays the game and I think that a lot of the people coming after him now are doing so because of his play style (for now). I don't know if there are scummy points to what he's been saying because for the last 10-20 pages any argument he's had that extends to five or more posts, I've been glossing over. But I will ask that he isn't lynched this phase.

 

[XTMF]

How much time is left in this phase?

 

[Just_Red]

I know what I m doing

@Just_Red answer this you only isoed me why is that the case?? I mean you even said that you won't vote me unless I m the leading wagon

it implies that I m nor your strongest read yet you only isoed me why is that??

I ISO'ed you because you are the leading wagon. Wanted to see if your justified to be there. I haven't voted you cause I don't see the need to vote you yet. That's all.

 

[Michelle]

Which game?

Idk the game exactly, i don't make a sheet with my games. I may search for it when i am back home, tell me if you really need it.

@Alice in Noodleland you should remember it, you were scum in that game.

 

[Michelle]

I ISO'ed you because you are the leading wagon. Wanted to see if your justified to be there. I haven't voted you cause I don't see the need to vote you yet. That's all.

What do you think about Luke's take on your case?

 

[AL_sama]

Aand you promised an answer at my case for you and i don't remember to read it..

if I missed something ask again please??