[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[-PK-]

Huh? how are you reading the game? did you just compare my reasons to Rej? Rej gave no reasons, the dude literally has made zero effort and case on the game period. The fact that you are saying he made "good reasons" and comparing it to mine baffles me. Show me the "good reasons" Rej made about his sus list.

I don't think he is comparing your reasons. He's just saying how you had your reasons to sus some players, Rej could also have had his reasons to sus the other players on their behavior.

 

[-PK-]

Nah, I agree that we should be on one wagon. I just don't know that I care enough about the conclusion of the game any more to be one of the people actively figuring that wagon out.

Assuming a balanced setup, there's at least 3 scum alive.

Neither you nor PK is currently worrying about the possibility of 4 scum, which is even more anti-town play.

We are actually considering that very possibility. And since you don't really care about the conclusion. Take the bullet why don't you.

 

[-PK-]

Yes. Voting quickly in potential LyLO is anti-town play.

Not really. If you vote the right person, doesn't matter when the vote came.

 

[-PK-]

I really liked this part xD

@osieorb18 I am not familiar enough with the game to know how to behave at Lylo(?) but that doesn't mean I will unvote you yet.
And if I do unvote you I will go for your ''town af'' TSQ. And I will do everything I can, even if I have to do it again, to show town the scum he really is ^_^

ALSO Town:
I think PK might be another easy lynch like REj was.

BE careful of voting for his lynch please.

Exactly!

That lynch proof talk was almost dead the last phase and now all of a sudden its an issue again.
I have been actively trying to persuade people from voting people that are my town reads and they actually turned out towns.

Osie has just been scum reading me and Rej for most of the time. IIRC he was the one who suggested lynching Rej instead of SK or Huoutaru.
We know what the Rej lynch resulted in and he will bring us down if you all get sidetracked again by focusing on me.

 

[Thestatusquo]

Ok, this is a weird ass game.

It's either I've been wrong on Tiger and assuming his push on me was town and he's just milking it because nobody is asking him anything about it / attempting to squeeze information out of him

Or it's some weird combination of...Osie / dono / Hammock and Osie's being bussed by one right now??

I still think that siding with me is very suboptimal so I really feel psyched out about the lynch.

We could potentially be in LyLo with 4 scum right now, so I am trying to feel out who's playing the game as if this is the last day.

And Hammock comes across as very performative. Remember, he has barely taken a stand the entire game, and at potential LyLo for town, this dude gets up on his pedestal and is trying to "direct" the focus of the village and saving the damsels in distress. I quite frankly don't like that, and I don't buy it either.

I think dono's move today is...Weird? Like, what was the initial push on me right now and unvoting right after? I guess it could be her trying to feel out the thread and see if she can pull off a me wagon over Osie's wagon. In a vacuum, it looks actually kind of townie, except that she's not taking the extra step of figuring someone else out, you know?

I quite frankly don't remember her figuring out anyone else for the last two phases, I'm pretty sure yesterday her main focus was me and today as well, and she doesn't want to talk about anyone else?

I think Hammock is quite honestly our best lynch today, I'm still kind of unsure of Osie, I don't know their experience but it's very hard to play the way she played as a wolf for such a long time.

With that being said, I don't really like the defeatism and I can't help but scum read it. With that in mind, @osieorb18 please don't give up if you're town because if I scum read you and feel apathetic towards your slot for it, then other townies will do too. Please keep pushing scum with us, ergo, Hammock.

I think you're wrong on him not being able to do this.

It's the easiest thing to active lurk the whole game, make votes accompanied by two phrases, and then at EoD feel energetic and hyped, REMEMBER, HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE RIGHT NOW, BUT HE DID EARLIER IN THE GAME!

New scum think about spew and anti-spew and all, and for scum!him, he could literally buddy the entire village in a way that spews them, because IT COULD BE LYLO right now, so it doesn't even matter for him.

PK is literally just neutral, I don't think he can be mafia, I don't think mafia gets a vest, anecdotally speaking, when there's not even a vig or anything. It makes much more sense for a neutral to have a vest, thus, we should always direct his vote and we should not follow him. He might have a wincon with mafia, thus, it's in his best interest to follow them.

TL;DR

1) Hammock is scum
2) Osie needs to stop acting like the game is over because only a wolf would do that after stating it's potential LyLo and thus, contradicting themselves (if she's town, which I lean towards)
3) We need to control PK's vote given that he might be a neutral, if he doesn't abide, we just default to lynching him

I think scenarios could be either :

5 v 4 - in which case it's LyLo

or

5 v 1 v 3 - here, the neutral (if there's one, and if there is one, it's probably PK), will try and vote with the mafia if he has a wincondition of staying alive at the end of the game. Thus, if he doesn't abide by our votes, we default to lynching him, at which point we might hit a potential mafia or a neutral and we go into LyLo tomorrow.

@-PK- place your vote on Hammock today or town will rail you. I can almost guarantee you're a neutral with a stay alive at endgame wincon, regardless of who wins, so I suggest being a good boy.

Vote lynch : Hammock

I have some more stuff to do today, but I will most certainly come back.

@Hammock you wanted me to come back, here I am milady :*

 

[Thestatusquo]

@Alice in Noodleland can players state their wincondition but not roleclaim?

 

[Thestatusquo]

@Tigerrr in the woods

Can you cut the slack on me and tell me what your thoughts on Hammock are?

I feel as though he was massively UTR for the entire game and him coming out as a town leader right now reads a lot like the wolf archetype of "Look at me, I will save this town from this impending doom!"

When in reality he's the wolf in sheep's skin.

 

[Thestatusquo]

Just for my sanity, I want everyone to post a full readslist and alternatives to Osie and WHY

Focus on the WHY, elaborate AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

Just do it, it's just wrong to tunnel a single player because if she's town, mafia have a free leeway to winning this.

So, do it. State who you want over osie and WHY YOU WANT OSIE OVER THEM.

 

[Thestatusquo]

I think osie's a mislynch, I am better at town reading people than scum reading them

there's almost no way osie is a scum lynch here, and the fact that I'm the only one actively fighting it is bad.

 

[Hammock]

Or it's some weird combination of...Osie / dono / Hammock and Osie's being bussed by one right now??
I still think that siding with me is very suboptimal so I really feel psyched out about the lynch.
We could potentially be in LyLo with 4 scum right now, so I am trying to feel out who's playing the game as if this is the last day.
And Hammock comes across as very performative. Remember, he has barely taken a stand the entire game, and at potential LyLo for town, this dude gets up on his pedestal and is trying to "direct" the focus of the village and saving the damsels in distress. I quite frankly don't like that, and I don't buy it either.
I think Hammock is quite honestly our best lynch today, I'm still kind of unsure of Osie, I don't know their experience but it's very hard to play the way she played as a wolf for such a long time.
With that being said, I don't really like the defeatism and I can't help but scum read it. With that in mind, @osieorb18 please don't give up if you're town because if I scum read you and feel apathetic towards your slot for it, then other townies will do too. Please keep pushing scum with us, ergo, Hammock.
I think you're wrong on him not being able to do this.
It's the easiest thing to active lurk the whole game, make votes accompanied by two phrases, and then at EoD feel energetic and hyped, REMEMBER, HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE RIGHT NOW, BUT HE DID EARLIER IN THE GAME!
New scum think about spew and anti-spew and all, and for scum!him, he could literally buddy the entire village in a way that spews them, because IT COULD BE LYLO right now, so it doesn't even matter for him.
PK is literally just neutral, I don't think he can be mafia, I don't think mafia gets a vest, anecdotally speaking, when there's not even a vig or anything. It makes much more sense for a neutral to have a vest, thus, we should always direct his vote and we should not follow him. He might have a wincon with mafia, thus, it's in his best interest to follow them.
TL;DR

1) Hammock is scum
2) Osie needs to stop acting like the game is over because only a wolf would do that after stating it's potential LyLo and thus, contradicting themselves (if she's town, which I lean towards)
3) We need to control PK's vote given that he might be a neutral, if he doesn't abide, we just default to lynching him

I think scenarios could be either :

5 v 4 - in which case it's LyLo

or

5 v 1 v 3 - here, the neutral (if there's one, and if there is one, it's probably PK), will try and vote with the mafia if he has a wincondition of staying alive at the end of the game. Thus, if he doesn't abide by our votes, we default to lynching him, at which point we might hit a potential mafia or a neutral and we go into LyLo tomorrow.

@-PK- place your vote on Hammock today or town will rail you. I can almost guarantee you're a neutral with a stay alive at endgame wincon, regardless of who wins, so I suggest being a good boy.

Vote lynch : Hammock

I have some more stuff to do today, but I will most certainly come back.

@Hammock you wanted me to come back, here I am milady :*

Fair tbh I really like your explain, and how well you did this. Lemme address your concerns.
I have been trying to be more active as long as the game continued by since this is my first game, and I'm trying my best now to be active and not make town give up???? Also, how you expect me to be more active without knowing barely anything in the previous DP? If you're voting on me I'm you're voting on me right now and at the EoD, and I if do get lynch then congrats you have successfully played everyone and won the game for mafia

 

[Hammock]

I think osie's a mislynch, I am better at town reading people than scum reading them

there's almost no way osie is a scum lynch here, and the fact that I'm the only one actively fighting it is bad.

You just said you weren't sure about osie wdym?

 

[Hammock]

@Tigerrr in the woods

Can you cut the slack on me and tell me what your thoughts on Hammock are?

I feel as though he was massively UTR for the entire game and him coming out as a town leader right now reads a lot like the wolf archetype of "Look at me, I will save this town from this impending doom!"

When in reality he's the wolf in sheep's skin.

Are you actually afraid that you'll lose the control of the game, and us towns might win against you scums?

 

[Hammock]

Are you actually afraid that you'll lose the control of the game, and us towns might win against you scums?

because if you are afraid of a newbie trying to be active and try to be reasoning idk what you are

 

[Thestatusquo]

Fair tbh I really like your explain, and how well you did this. Lemme address your concerns.
I have been trying to be more active as long as the game continued by since this is my first game, and I'm trying my best now to be active and not make town give up???? Also, how you expect me to be more active without knowing barely anything in the previous DP? If you're voting on me I'm you're voting on me right now and at the EoD, and I if do get lynch then congrats you have successfully played everyone and won the game for mafia

I mean this is exactly what I'm talking about, town didn't give up? Like, why are you thinking town gave up? There's no indication of it.

Hence why I feel like you're the guy who is trying to posture as the saviour that this town needs when in reality, you could be the death of us.

As for underlined, I expect players to at least read? You've obviously been there because I remember you posting, so you're saying you didn't read anything and decided to park your vote on me anyway?

 

[Hammock]

I mean this is exactly what I'm talking about, town didn't give up? Like, why are you thinking town gave up? There's no indication of it.

Hence why I feel like you're the guy who is trying to posture as the saviour that this town needs when in reality, you could be the death of us.

As for underlined, I expect players to at least read? You've obviously been there because I remember you posting, so you're saying you didn't read anything and decided to park your vote on me anyway?

where have I park my vote?

 

[Thestatusquo]

You just said you weren't sure about osie wdym?

Game state doesn't indicate towards Osie being a scum and I think the defeatism comes from town more than scum here, technically, Osie has a lot of mislynch options if she's a scum here.

Hypocrisy is actually town, but I am saying I can't help but get the heebie jeebies for her giving up after saying we should not stop trying.

 

[Hammock]

I mean this is exactly what I'm talking about, town didn't give up? Like, why are you thinking town gave up? There's no indication of it.

Hence why I feel like you're the guy who is trying to posture as the saviour that this town needs when in reality, you could be the death of us.

As for underlined, I expect players to at least read? You've obviously been there because I remember you posting, so you're saying you didn't read anything and decided to park your vote on me anyway?

you know I'm the one whose trying to make a reasonable lynch here even if it means that my top scum reads are not gonna get lynched?

Town lacked motivation since everyone you made vote flipped town

 

[Thestatusquo]

you know I'm the one whose trying to make a reasonable lynch here even if it means that my top scum reads are not gonna get lynched?

Town lacked motivation since everyone you made vote flipped town

The same thing I can say about you, and everyone else that voted, lmfao, this is not a reasoning for scum reading someone.

We have not lynched a single scum, nobody landed a lynch on a scum. I might've been wrong but at least I am putting myself out there and pushing people that I find scummy so I get closer to winning town the game.

You voted Rej, osie and me among other votes, and you're wrong on all of them.

This is what Osie was talking about being LyLo and you guys not caring at all, it's not about making a reasonable lynch, it's about pushing a scum lynch.

If Osie has more traction than me, of course you'd vote her.

Please explain to me how you come from a town thought process right now, because you're literally saying "lynching the reasonable lynch, even if she might be town, is always the good lynch, even if it means losing town the game"

I literally can't comprehend this.

 

[Hammock]

The same thing I can say about you, and everyone else that voted, lmfao, this is not a reasoning for scum reading someone.

We have not lynched a single scum, nobody landed a lynch on a scum. I might've been wrong but at least I am putting myself out there and pushing people that I find scummy so I get closer to winning town the game.

You voted Rej, osie and me among other votes, and you're wrong on all of them.

This is what Osie was talking about being LyLo and you guys not caring at all, it's not about making a reasonable lynch, it's about pushing a scum lynch.

If Osie has more traction than me, of course you'd vote her.

Please explain to me how you come from a town thought process right now, because you're literally saying "lynching the reasonable lynch, even if she might be town, is always the good lynch, even if it means losing town the game"

I literally can't comprehend this.

I voted rej? others were on my town read? have you not given attention to my posts if I'm your top scum?

And what differs you is, you were the one who pushed everyone towards that town lynch and now you are gonna do the same and try to get to lynch me

You know reasonable lynch means scum lynch right?

 

[Thestatusquo]

Man if everyone that pushed me this game was town then this was a horrible game and I'm definitely not going to speak about this game or even store it in my long term memory

The thought of town misreading ME is ground shaking