[Game] SK - League Of Legends Mafia Game Thread! Fight Or Be Forgotten!! #15

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Houtarou

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Soul Killer said TWICE that the reveal is AFTER the game has ENDED.
There is no EoD reveal for kc's role, we will not learn that role during the game.

I haven't thought about a vote yet, posting catchup stuff rn.
Honestly, that creates a lot of confusion and I think it's not the right decision.
 

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kc5181 role claim

Vote: Corazon

If this ain't scum, idk what is
VoteLynch : XDDDDD

CORAZON IS TOWN!!!
kc are you scummin it
It will reveal my roll ??
At this point, I believe SoulKiller must modkill kc5181 because kc5181 has essentially claimed that his post reflects his role knowledge. ( I can't make any sense of anything kc said after that, no idea where @Naomi_Rose gets that "shield" thing from)

I don't think @XDDDDD was role fishing, I thought it was a sensible question when I read it, but then I am not used to claimless/hintless games, so maybe I would be more careful if I played like that more often? If you say something without giving a reason, I defintiely WILL consider asking you about it. If you don't answer, I will draw my conclusions (scum or power role).

I read @mothbomb as noting that kc has displayed TMI here, this is ok if pressuring for scum, but could also be role fishing here ("tell me your role or I will think you are scum"). But nobody talked about this, instead mothbomb is quick to accuse XD of role fishing.

And then there is
uh, well then kc wasnt kidding, and we should probably policy lynch his guilty... right?
Real talk tho, XD is probably scum roleblocker and the mafia is really annoyed that he got caught N1.
so theres a bunch of effort here to blame kyte for this. and to distract from what actually went on.
I don't imagine there's any ability in the game that confirms a player is town to the point of no doubt, which i felt like he needs to know, because he'd suspect everyone who votes Corazon later on.
Kyte forgets alignment cops exist? ah, but they couldn't clear the godfather

so, going to mothballs's read list:
I will do that after 10 hours, currently, I'm going for sleep and then need to go to my classes in the morning
5- @kc5181 DEAD LIKELY TOWN
12- @XDDDDD SCUM
15- @Corazon TOWN by mech clear
how is Corazon mech clear if kc5181 is only "likely" town?
how is Corazon mech clear if godfathers exist? Rej would have been town to a cop.

I meant as not directly hinted his role Kc claimed XDD could be Cop but the truth is its Kc who is Cop here.
Can anyone (because Ansa left) explain this to me?

You are all voting XD right now because kc5181 voted XD? Even though you can't know what information he actually had? Someone please help me out here, I'm lost.
 

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Only if people allowed such confusion to affect their play. As I said before forget that the mod kill ever happened and continue playing normally.

I don’t want to see any more talks about it anymore.
Sorry, I did not see your post before I sent mine.

We need to talk about how players reacted to that, though?
 

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Honestly, that creates a lot of confusion and I think it's not the right decision.
I agree with the decision to only reveal the role after the game, because it means that sending information to town at the risk of a ban is not rewarded (plus kc may get temp-banned?). I know you don't like it because you expect (or try to make us think) that this information would help you defend XD. You have defended @XDDDDD ever since @All_Red attacked him on D1, but he's only "slight town" in your 1208 read list. What's your strategy?

(Also, ty for posting the reads list, I said "bet you won't" earlier, but you did post one.)
 
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kc5181 role claim










At this point, I believe SoulKiller must modkill kc5181 because kc5181 has essentially claimed that his post reflects his role knowledge. ( I can't make any sense of anything kc said after that, no idea where @Naomi_Rose gets that "shield" thing from)

I don't think @XDDDDD was role fishing, I thought it was a sensible question when I read it, but then I am not used to claimless/hintless games, so maybe I would be more careful if I played like that more often? If you say something without giving a reason, I defintiely WILL consider asking you about it. If you don't answer, I will draw my conclusions (scum or power role).

I read @mothbomb as noting that kc has displayed TMI here, this is ok if pressuring for scum, but could also be role fishing here ("tell me your role or I will think you are scum"). But nobody talked about this, instead mothbomb is quick to accuse XD of role fishing.

And then there is





Kyte forgets alignment cops exist? ah, but they couldn't clear the godfather

so, going to mothballs's read list:


how is Corazon mech clear if kc5181 is only "likely" town?
how is Corazon mech clear if godfathers exist? Rej would have been town to a cop.


Can anyone (because Ansa left) explain this to me?

You are all voting XD right now because kc5181 voted XD? Even though you can't know what information he actually had? Someone please help me out here, I'm lost.
We can't talk about this any longer but, I think all I can say that Ansu having a misunderstanding here, and SK already has given us a warning so I don't think we can talk about this
 

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if you want to get content and informaton, ask players for explanations! ask for INFORMATION!

so you do not know how many scum we have, but you call out (guess) that there are two scum among the non-voters (when ther ecould be none), and based on that, you go scum-hunting. Ok, I will observe how well that works for you.
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if you want to get content and informaton, ask players for explanations! ask for INFORMATION!

so you do not know how many scum we have, but you call out (guess) that there are two scum among the non-voters (when ther ecould be none), and based on that, you go scum-hunting. Ok, I will observe how well that works for you.
Although a lot of content was my own opinions yesterDay, a lot of it was me conversing or questioning. If I want to speak to someone, I try to add a question in, no matter how basic it is and try to question further in from there, like I did with you. Anything can be telling of Mafia, even if the content does not yet look useful, in my belief.

In my experience there is always at least one scum in the non-voters. With what happened yesterday with the wagons, I'm thinking that scum weren't around EoD, or if they were provided little influence on the outcome and were passive. This makes me believe there may be two. So it's more a pattern supplemented by an educational guess. Since I'm currently only working with a single VC, I will likely have a clearer idea of where scum are when there is a second VC, and more flips.
 

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I agree with the decision to only reveal the role after the game, because it means that sending information to town at the risk of a ban is not rewarded (plus kc may get temp-banned?). I know you don't like it because you expect (or try to make us think) that this information would help you defend XD. You have defended @XDDDDD ever since @All_Red attacked him on D1, but he's only "slight town" in your 1208 read list. What's your strategy?

(Also, ty for posting the reads list, I said "bet you won't" earlier, but you did post one.)
first, I think role reveal was better after DP cuz we will know what Kc alignment was which can confirm few things. It's pretty simple to see that Mothbomb and Kyte is getting too into xD 'why' and I don't really consider that normal why a way to fish someone's role

I don't think I have ever defended xD beside now, before that all I said, he's town because I was town reading him. Slight read cuz he still hasn't done anything which gives me the doubts, that's all
 

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Im am deeply disapointed in the fact that I was absent last hours of DP1. But lookinh at it im sooo happy for town's lynch! One down, 5 to go!

My current town reads:
Kyte
Celestral
Elmage G Ace

Each lf these three have prented posts that I feel are town posts.
Wasn't this the exact same Town list as yesterday?
 

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I think Mendel's Town: the way he spoke to me yesterday was that of someone who was trying to understand where the player they're questioning is coming from. They seem like a high effort player, which tends to be harder to catch as scum, but how he was questioning me was supplemented by the effort, instead of trying to make the effort look like the main point imo.
 

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Can anyone (because Ansa left) explain this to me?

You are all voting XD right now because kc5181 voted XD? Even though you can't know what information he actually had? Someone please help me out here, I'm lost.
I was confused by his last statement too.

We need to close this case. I'll explain what I think from a personal point of view. XD might have potentially acted on Corazon, and Kc could have either watched Corazon or tracked XD. He thought XD targeted Corazon last night to kill him, and was role-blocked, but Corazon could be a Cop for all he knows.

I don't want any replies on this part of the post, and any further dive into the roles now, especially from XD.

Yes, Mendel, even if it's not the Godfather, any action could still be intercepted by a redirect of the actor, or a transport of the target. And at any rate, I don't really like cutting all doubt in one's result like Kc did, or for anyone following his footsteps after he'd mod-killed just because he's extremely likely to be Town. The situation could very much be misleading, so i'd rather not build any assumptions based on it, especially since the host has advised to not dive much into it. I don't imagine he'd be deviating us from the right investigation track. LOL
 
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The thing about Houtarou is his final post before the Day ended. Vote: Houtarou I don't think he had an awareness of the no self-voting thing, and in the context of that particular EoD, moving his vote from Rej to himself would either cause:

1. A tie or
2. His own lynch.

Either option I believe is very against a scum mindset in the instance of this game, and as stated before is the reason why I'm leaving him alone this phase.

@mothbomb @Mendel
 
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