Hanabi on Team Ebisu?

salamander uchiha · Oct 24, 2018

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As you've seen before, I have no problem conceding, but you're going to have to provide indisputable or otherwise substantial evidence. Because I can't continue a debate with someone using nothing but their words as a factual medium, without any evidence to back it up.Do you have any scans proving that Kakashi taught Naruto the strategy he implemented against Kakuzu? Scans contradictory to the scan I provided in which Kakashi literally stated that "Naruto came up with a new strategy".

(I'm not going to put it in spoilers anymore, because I don't think you're clicking them at this point)

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Go back to Naruto before he started wind release training. Kakashi taught Naruto that the experiences and knowledge of the clones returns to the original. So yeah Kakashi taught it to him.

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Naruto showing he doesn't have a clue on how the SCJ works or the experience returns to the original.

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Kakashi explaining why it was used and Naruto confir.ing he'd use it randomly in the past.

So yeah Kalashi taught him, how they work and the purpose of the clone jutsu.

First of all, I'd like to dismiss the claim that Naruto only spams clones to overwhelm his opponent

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Next, I want to ask a question. IS THAT NOT Naruto standing on the side and analyzing the situation, like you specifically said normal people do? I hate to quote Narutopedia, because they're frowned upon as an unreliable source of information, but they word this so well:

"Part of Kakashi's usual approach to combat is to rely on the Body Replacement Technique and clone techniques, thereby keeping himself out of harm's way while he observes an opponent and their abilities."

- Narutopedia

Kakashi employs a similar style, using evasion and misdirection to implement sneak attacks or to just analyze his opponents ability. But I guess Naruto is incapable of strategic intelligence.

No it's not strategic, Naruto used what Kalshi taught him here which I agree with. However, Naruto also knew his jutsu fails 50% of the time so didn't plan a contingency. Kakashi always plans a contingency while using a clone to learn as much as he can. Naruto doesn't use it the same way or have a contingency for failure.

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Yamato confirmed it works around 50% of the time.

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No Kakashi and Naruto would be dead.

I concede to this, because I don't feel like looking into it and it's probably true. But I will say that even Kakashi was surprised by HOW CUNNING NARUTO WAS.

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I'll need scans that Kaguya can see the seal, which you can probably get. Then I need scans that she didn't see the seal, and the only way you could do that is by proving that each clone of Naruto didn't come with a seal on it. If you can, I'll concede to this part of the argument.

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Kaguya can see the seals and knows Hogaromo gave them.

As for the seals not being duplicated then it's for the same reason Naruto would use Shadow clones as distractions instead of to try and seal her when he used the harem jutsu. Also it's the same reason the TSBs aren't multiplied with the shadow clones they both originate from the sage of 6 paths.

Having said that Kaguya didn't use her Byakugan to see either, Btw Kakashi's statement implies it's not Normal to except Naruto to be strategic.

Tricking your opponent by decoying yourself isn't strategically sound? Oof:

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Kakashi uses them for analysis, the objection to Naruto is he spams them try and understand the difference. I don't like repeating myself.

Kaguya is not adept to fighting. Okay, time to bring in the scans.

Reacting to Amenotejikara, which took JJ Madara off-guard:

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Even manages to catch Sasuke faster than he can react:

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She reacts to and counters Sasuke's PS multiple times, and even dodges his blade (also keeping up with and besting Naruto in an exchange of punches):

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Which of course has a combat speed relatively equivalent to So6p Naruto (and I'm sure you can understand how fast he is):

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She even aware of the risks of her battle, and knows when and how to turn the tables (Oh look, once again she's emplying strategy o.o funny how that works):

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That's all I feel like posting right now. But I have even more, if you'd like. By your logically, any hit that Naruto and Sasuke get on her is a nerf on her part, taking into consideration that she's consistently faster than them and can she an entire 360 degrees with her Byakugan.

What you're doing is viewing strategy subjectively and using half-truths to validate an otherwise invalid opinion, applying the use of strategic intelligence in a way that's convenient to you, despite countless scans proving contrary.

In that fight with Orochimaru he was being baited and let his emotions get the best of him, hence his transformation into KN4 Naruto.

Still waiting for scans proving this. To be bailed out would mean that you're in a line of danger and someone has to save you. And even if he was bailed out, I don't see how that affects that he concocted a successful plan against someone with decades more experience than him, having even survived a fight with Hashirama. Just plot, right?

Oh, I understand the difference between the two. I also understand that Naruto isn't as reckless or irrational as you're making him out to be. He might have said that he isn't battle smart (although I still want scans please), and I can say I don't have eyes, but that doesn't make it true, when the contrary has very consistently been shown otherwise.

I'm not even going to bother addressing Kaguya's retardedness. There are plenty of threads and scans for you to go over which address all these points, it'll help you get ised to the forum as well

Anyway as for Naruto not being smart then it's obvious because he spams clones. It's merely a method to overwhelm an opponent with sheer numbers.

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Kakashi talks about how he can strategise by knowing what's outside.

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Naruto admits he's not as good as planning.

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Madara and Kakshi both neg diff him for spamming jutsu.

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Obito reminds him spamming empty heads is pointless.

I'm sure you can find somebody else to entertain you on this, I'm done.

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
Go back to Naruto before he started wind release training. Kakashi taught Naruto that the experiences and knowledge of the clones returns to the original. So yeah Kakashi taught it to him.

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Thanks for finally providing a scan, but I can't accept this. This is a scan stating that Kakashi taught Naruto how to use his clones to gather information; and this in no way correlates with the strategy Naruto used to defeat Kakuzu. Yes, he used what Kakashi taught him about Shadow Clone Jutsu to gather information about Kakuzu, but he then applied that gathered knowledge to orchestrate his own unique strategy, which Kakashi accredited him for:

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Again, using half-truths to validate an otherwise invalid opinion, without taking into consideration the entirety of the argument you're presented with.

Naruto showing he doesn't have a clue on how the SCJ works or the experience returns to the original.

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Kakashi explaining why it was used and Naruto confirming he'd use it randomly in the past.

So yeah Kakashi taught him, how they work and the purpose of the clone jutsu.

My answer to this aligns with what I stated above. However, these scans only prove that Kakashi taught Naruto that he can gather information from dispersed clones. That does not imply that Naruto did not use them strategically beforehand, distancing himself from the battle as he either observes his clones or plans a sneak attack:

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Naruto doesn't use it the same way or have a contingency for failure.

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Yamato confirmed it works around 50% of the time.

:eww:

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No Kakashi, and Naruto would be dead.

And even if he was bailed out, I don't see how that affects that he concocted a successful plan against someone with decades more experience than him, having even survived a fight with Hashirama. Just plot, right?

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Kaguya can see the seals and knows Hogaromo gave them. As for the seals not being duplicated then it's for the same reason Naruto would use Shadow clones as distractions instead of to try and seal her when he used the harem jutsu. Also it's the same reason the TSBs aren't multiplied with the shadow clones they both originate from the sage of 6 paths.

About that,

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when she picked out his clone (as indicated by the lack of pronounced veins around her eyes), because she thought she located the original Naruto with the TSBs around his back being evidence enough, but she was wrong :yeah:

Having said that Kaguya didn't use her Byakugan to see either

:yeah:

Btw Kakashi's statement implies it's not Normal to expect Naruto to be strategic.

Now we're going to have to debate vocabulary, because this is obviously false. Kakashi states "Naruto was ALWAYS unexpectedly cunning", which yes with the use of the word 'unexpectedly' implies that it isn't EXPECTED of Naruto to be cunning, but that in no way implies that Naruto isn't cunning nonetheless. Kakashi also makes use of the word always, which is an absolute, which means Naruto is definitively ALWAYS UNEXPECTEDLY

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. If you want some advice on how to argue your way out of this, you could argue the intent of scenario to which Kakashi is applying this word. He could be referring to Naruto being cunning as in when he snuck atop the Hokage Mountain and painted faces on the Hokage, or he could be referring to scenarios like, again, when Naruto devised a strategy to defeat Kakuzu. I'd have to concede, because I wouldn't be able to prove Kakashi's intent; but then again, neither could you. It would be meaningless conjecture.

Kakashi uses them for analysis, the objection to Naruto is he spams them try and understand the difference. I don't like repeating myself.

I'm don't like repeating myself either, yet I had to post 20+ scans of solid evidence and character statements, and even re-post some of the scans because you failed to put 2 and 2 together. Like I said, "What you're doing is viewing strategy subjectively and using half-truths to validate an otherwise invalid opinion, applying the use of strategic intelligence in a way that's convenient to you, despite countless scans proving contrary", something you didn't even deny. Yes, I completely agree, NARUTO USES HIS CLONES TO SPAM AND OVERWHELM HIS OPPONENTS, but I will never conform to the idea that spam is all Naruto has ever utilized his clones for, not when it has been factually proven countless times that Naruto has implemented his clones as a strategic device.

I'm not even going to bother addressing Kaguya's retardedness. There are plenty of threads and scans for you to go over which address all these points, it'll help you get ised to the forum as well

If you're too lazy to provide your own evidence, it's only hurting you at the end of the day.

Anyway as for Naruto not being smart then it's obvious because he spams clones. It's merely a method to overwhelm an opponent with sheer numbers.

Objection;

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Kakashi talks about how he can strategize by knowing what's outside.

Objection;

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Naruto admits he's not as good as planning.

Oh, so this is what you were talking when you said that even Naruto admitted he wasn't good at planning. Then your entire argument crumbles. If you have two pairs of eyes like I do, you'll read, and I quote, "Though he might be better than me". Which is not only a speculative statement and therefore unreliable, but also clearly implies that Naruto is considering that he alternatively might be superior to Sasuke at planning, which might be valid considering that Naruto has witnessed first-hand several occasions in which Sasuke applied strategic intelligence. This means Naruto's strategic intelligence is ≥ Sasuke's. And don't get me started on factoring in Sasuke's strategic intelligence feats.

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Madara and Kakshi both neg diff him for spamming jutsu.

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Obito reminds him spamming empty heads is pointless.

Objection;

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I'm sure you can find somebody else to entertain you on this, I'm done.

I've consistently refuted every last thing you've claimed with hard evidence and indisputable logical reasoning. At this point, I think I can comfortably accept a concession. You dismissed half of some of my most defining evidence as plot nerf without providing substantial evidence, completely ignored a majority of my arguments, and when you did provide scans you either applied them fallaciously to a sloppy argument, or used them to dodge the point of my argument all together. It was fun debating with you, and it's sad to see you drop out after only a few posts, but it's clear whose statements are more factually substantiated.

Jinrou · Oct 25, 2018

Hanabi instead of Moegi even from p1 right? Doubt it would have worked in terms of her screentime. The focus at the end of the day from that squad would still have been on Konohamaru imo but it could have paved the way for him x Hanabi like you say.

Happy Medium said:
Thanks for finally providing a scan, but I can't accept this. This is a scan stating that Kakashi taught Naruto how to use his clones to gather information; and this in no way correlates with the strategy Naruto used to defeat Kakuzu. Yes, he used what Kakashi taught him about Shadow Clone Jutsu to gather information about Kakuzu, but he then applied that gathered knowledge to orchestrate his own unique strategy, which Kakashi accredited him for:

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Again, using half-truths to validate an otherwise invalid opinion, without taking into consideration the entirety of the argument you're presented with.

My answer to this aligns with what I stated above. However, these scans only prove that Kakashi taught Naruto that he can gather information from dispersed clones. That does not imply that Naruto did not use them strategically beforehand, distancing himself from the battle as he either observes his clones or plans a sneak attack:

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:eww:

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About that,
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when she picked out his clone (as indicated by the lack of pronounced veins around her eyes), because she thought she located the original Naruto with the TSBs around his back being evidence enough, but she was wrong :yeah:

:yeah:

Now we're going to have to debate vocabulary, because this is obviously false. Kakashi states "Naruto was ALWAYS unexpectedly cunning", which yes with the use of the word 'unexpectedly' implies that it isn't EXPECTED of Naruto to be cunning, but that in no way implies that Naruto isn't cunning nonetheless. Kakashi also makes use of the word always, which is an absolute, which means Naruto is definitively ALWAYS UNEXPECTEDLY
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. If you want some advice on how to argue your way out of this, you could argue the intent of scenario to which Kakashi is applying this word. He could be referring to Naruto being cunning as in when he snuck atop the Hokage Mountain and painted faces on the Hokage, or he could be referring to scenarios like, again, when Naruto devised a strategy to defeat Kakuzu. I'd have to concede, because I wouldn't be able to prove Kakashi's intent; but then again, neither could you. It would be meaningless conjecture.

I'm don't like repeating myself either, yet I had to post 20+ scans of solid evidence and character statements, and even re-post some of the scans because you failed to put 2 and 2 together. Like I said, "What you're doing is viewing strategy subjectively and using half-truths to validate an otherwise invalid opinion, applying the use of strategic intelligence in a way that's convenient to you, despite countless scans proving contrary", something you didn't even deny. Yes, I completely agree, NARUTO USES HIS CLONES TO SPAM AND OVERWHELM HIS OPPONENTS, but I will never conform to the idea that spam is all Naruto has ever utilized his clones for, not when it has been factually proven countless times that Naruto has implemented his clones as a strategic device.

If you're too lazy to provide your own evidence, it's only hurting you at the end of the day.

Objection;
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Objection;
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Oh, so this is what you were talking when you said that even Naruto admitted he wasn't good at planning. Then your entire argument crumbles. If you have two pairs of eyes like I do, you'll read, and I quote, "Though he might be better than me". Which is not only a speculative statement and therefore unreliable, but also clearly implies that Naruto is considering that he alternatively might be superior to Sasuke at planning, which might be valid considering that Naruto has witnessed first-hand several occasions in which Sasuke applied strategic intelligence. This means Naruto's strategic intelligence is ≥ Sasuke's. And don't get me started on factoring in Sasuke's strategic intelligence feats.

Objection;
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I've consistently refuted every last thing you've claimed with hard evidence and indisputable logical reasoning. At this point, I think I can comfortably accept a concession. You dismissed half of some of my most defining evidence as plot nerf without providing substantial evidence, completely ignored a majority of my arguments, and when you did provide scans you either applied them fallaciously to a sloppy argument, or used them to dodge the point of my argument all together. It was fun debating with you, and it's sad to see you drop out after only a few posts, but it's clear whose statements are more factually substantiated.

Damn. lol

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

Happy Medium said:
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I had to snip this BS as you didn't read or address a single point either that or you overlooked them. I didn't feel like the need to have to spell out each point to you. Had you remembered a previous point then the post wouldn't have been as long.

Kakashi teaching Naruto how to use Shadow clones = fact.
Shippuden Naruto admitting he randomly made shadow clones in the past during that exchange = fact. Which confirms he didn't made them with strategy in mind.
Naruto not having a back up plan like a strategist(kakashi shikamaru etc) would = fact.
Spamming is Naruto's way he wanted to do the same against Madara, Kakashi told him it would divided his chakra and be a waste of time = fact. That's not strategic intelligence, it's spamming jutsu. He got dismissed by Madara, Obito and Kakashi.
Naruto saying Sasuke might be more intelligent than me is an admission without admitting definite inferiority to his rival = fact.
Kaguya not using Byakugan = nerf = fact = confirmation she is a fodder on another note.

You're objections were overruled since you missed the purpose of the posts, you took parts and forgot the whole. You even yoyo'd to a past event against Kidomaru yet can't explain where the strategic intelligence was against Kimimaro and instead we saw spam. Naruto also himself admiited that he would make shadow clones randomly, startegy wasn't in mind.
I've yet to ask who's alt you are, you're clearly not a new member.

I could just as easily ask you what strategy did Naruto think of to fight Nagato(First time Kyubi saved him the second Itachi), Tobidara or Madara or the Jyubi etc. Because he didn't think of any strategies, let's not try and act like spam is strategic intelligence.

I did say I was done, and I am. I only came back to highlight some points of my previous post.

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
I had to snip this BS as you didn't read or address a single point either that or you overlooked them. I didn't feel like the need to have to spell out each point to you. Had you remembered a previous point then the post wouldn't have been as long.

Okay...?

Kakashi teaching Naruto how to use Shadow clones = fact.

Kakashi taught Naruto how to use Shadow Clones to gather information. Not only is this evidenced by the scans that you posted, but also by the countless scans I have provided in which Naruto utilizes his shadows clones to some strategic extent.

Shippuden Naruto admitting he randomly made shadow clones in the past during that exchange = fact. Which confirms he didn't made them with strategy in mind.

Randomly making clones =/= not having a strategy in mind, not with (again) multiple scans showing the contrary.

Naruto not having a back up plan like a strategist(kakashi shikamaru etc) would = fact.

I'll admit that Naruto did not have a back-up plan because I can admit where I'm wrong and give credit when do. The scan I posted shows Kakashi stating "Naruto came up with a new plan", implying that he didn't have a contingency plan prepared before hand and was ill-prepared for failure. However, the fact that he immediately improvised a new plan in the heat of battle that proved successful against someone with decades more experience than he did is a greater strategic feat than having a plan prepared. Not to say that the initial plan he had wasn't his own, he simply used Kakashi's method of information-gathering as a vessel to apply that plan.

Spamming is Naruto's way he wanted to do the same against Madara, Kakashi told him it would divided his chakra and be a waste of time = fact. That's not strategic intelligence, it's spamming jutsu. He got dismissed by Madara, Obito and Kakashi.

Never did I deny this. I'm just going to assume you read nothing in my post, because I actually made an admission in favor of Naruto spamming clones. I'm capable of that much. But to think that simply spamming clones to overwhelm his opponents is all he does, is nothing but willful ignorance.

Naruto saying Sasuke might be more intelligent than me is an admission without admitting definite inferiority to his rival = fact.

This isn't even logically substantiated. The fact that Naruto said Sasuke might be better at planning than he is doesn't mean that Sasuke is, it means that he''s weighing the possibility of it while taking into account all that Sasuke has done, and all that he has done by comparison. And you what, I'll give this to you. EVEN IF IT DID MEAN SASUKE HAS SUPERIOR STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE, it in no way, shape, or form implies that Naruto has no strategic intelligence whatsoever, only that Sasuke's is superior, which isn't surprising considering that Sasuke has been consistently remarked as a genius.

Kaguya not using Byakugan = nerf = fact = confirmation she is a fodder on another note.

Okay, so I need to go back into every fight in which a Byakugan was used and show you that the Byakugan-user isn't always using their Byakugan during the fight? Because I can and will, and I HAVE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY that isn't just "plot nerf". Using Byakugan was deemed unnecessary as it was evidenced by the TSBs on his back, at least in Kaguya's eyes, that it was the real Naruto. She thought she outsmarted him, but she was tricked instead. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? Even if Kaguya wasn't tricked and saw through this doesn't not subside the fact that Naruto applied, you guessed it, feasible strategy against an opponent, a decoy method comparable to what Kakashi employed in his fight against Pein.

You're objections were overruled since you missed the purpose of the posts, you took parts and forgot the whole. You even yoyo'd to a past event against Kidomaru yet can't explain where the strategic intelligence was against Kimimaro and instead we saw spam. Naruto also himself admitted that he would make shadow clones randomly, strategy wasn't in mind.

I shouldn't have to explain something to a grown man with two eyes fully capable of reading. Naruto attempted to apply a strategy in which his clones would fight Kidomaru while he waited in the background for an opening. Is it the best strategy? No, but it's an example of strategic intelligence nonetheless, or at least strategic competence to some extent.

I've yet to ask who's alt you are, you're clearly not a new member.

Congratulations, you just made a baseless assumption founded solely on your own insecurities.

I could just as easily ask you what strategy did Naruto think of to fight Nagato(First time Kyubi saved him the second Itachi), Tobidara or Madara or the Jyubi etc. Because he didn't think of any strategies, let's not try and act like spam is strategic intelligence.

I never said that Naruto always applied strategic intelligence. I have admitted countless times already that Naruto is hot-headed by nature and tends to recklessly charge into battle, and spam clones. I just won't conform to the idea that this is all he's capable of, when the contrary has very, very much proven otherwise as evidenced by literally everything I've said. No, Naruto's plans aren't going to be years thought-out, a display of some intricate, amazing genius, but he is at least strategically competent, which he has shown on multiple occasions, even through admission of characters far superior to himself.

I did say I was done, and I am. I only came back to highlight some points of my previous post.

I don't think so. You're obviously so upset that you had to disrespect me by cutting my previous post out and calling it BS, and then attempted to discredit me by accusing me of being an alternate account as if that's somehow pertinent to the discussion at hand. You can make as many post as you want, and I will consistently, logically, and factually shoot them down. I understand if you're in denial about receiving multiple L's from a new person, not only in this thread but in other threads as well. It's because you let your pride get in your way, and it blinds you. No wonder your favorites are the Uchiha.

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

Happy Medium said:
Okay...?
Kakashi taught Naruto how to use Shadow Clones to gather information. Not only is this evidenced by the scans that you posted, but also by the countless scans I have provided in which Naruto utilizes his shadows clones to some strategic extent.

It doesn't matter Naruto admits he's make clones randomly. His own admission provides the actual context for every situation prior. That is unless he shows he strategises it via statement.

Randomly making clones =/= not having a strategy in mind, not with (again) multiple scans showing the contrary.

Of course a random act shows there was no startegic planning. And his own admission confirms this.

I'll admit that Naruto did not have a back-up plan because I can admit where I'm wrong and give credit when do. The scan I posted shows Kakashi stating "Naruto came up with a new plan", implying that he didn't have a contingency plan prepared before hand and was ill-prepared for failure. However, the fact that he immediately improvised a new plan in the heat of battle that proved successful against someone with decades more experience than he did is a greater strategic feat than having a plan prepared. Not to say that the initial plan he had wasn't his own, he simply used Kakashi's method of information-gathering as a vessel to apply that plan.

No he didn't immediately form another plan, Kakashi and Yamato saved him. He gave a tnj to both of them then formed a plan not to get caught like before. That's not an immediate improvisation, an immediate improvisation would only be if a plan on the spot to bail him out and cover.

Never did I deny this. I'm just going to assume you read nothing in my post, because I actually made an admission in favor of Naruto spamming clones. I'm capable of that much. But to think that simply spamming clones t overhwhelm his opponents is all he does, is nothing but willful ignorance.

That's his go to strategy and he wanted to employ it against Madara as well. When he spams clones that's his intent.

This isn't even logically substantiated. The fact that Naruto said Sasuke might be better at planning than he is doesn't mean that Sasuke is, it means that he''s weighing the possibility of it while taking into account all that Sasuke has done, and all that he has done by comparison. And you what, I'll give this to you. EVEN IF IT DID MEAN SASUKE HAS SUPERIOR STRATEGIC INTELLIGENCE, it in no way, shape, or form implies that Naruto has no strategic intelligence whatsoever, only that Sasuke's is superior, which isn't surprising considering that Sasuke has been consistently remarked as a genius.

It does mean exactly that, logically speaking. Sasuke himself isn't a startegic genius either even though he's above most.

Okay, so I need to go back into every fight in which a Byakugan was used and show you that the Byakugan-user isn't always using their Byakugan during the fight? Because I can and will, and I HAVE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY that isn't just "plot nerf". Using Byakugan was deemed unnecessary as it was evidenced by the TSBs on his back, at least in Kaguya's eyes, that it was the real Naruto. She thought she outsmarted him, but she was tricked instead. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? Even if Kaguya wasn't tricked and saw through this doesn't not subside the fact that Naruto applied, you guessed it, feasible strategy against an opponent, a decoy method that comparable to what Kakashi employed in his fight against Pein.

It's not since she also used Byakugan and then mysteriously turns it off. It is plot nerf for obvious reasons but it doesn't matter either way. Naruto spammed clones Kakashi used a clone to trap/pain with a plan of action in mind. Naruto didn't have a plan of action or follow up. That's not what one would call strategy.

I shouldn't have to explain something to a grown man with two eyes fully capable of reading. Naruto attempted to apply a strategy in which his clones would fight Kidomaru while he waited in the background for an opening. Is it the best strategy? No, but it's an example of strategic intelligence nonetheless, or at least strategic competence to some extent.

Obviously not as that intelligence went out of the window. Naruto himself admits he would randomly make clones so his words trump your excuse.

Congratulations, you just made a baseless assumption founded solely by your own insecurities.

Do tell how did you grasp the ability to use the Url function which is quite complicated within a few days?

I never said that Naruto always applied strategic intelligence. I have admitted countless times already that Naruto is hot-headed by nature and tends to recklessly charge into battle, and spam clones. I just won't conform to the idea that this is all he's capable of, when the contrary has very, very much proven otherwise as evidenced by literally everything I've said. No, Naruto's plans are going to be years thought-out, a display of some intricate, amazing genius, but he is at least strategically competent, which he has shown on multiple occasions, even through admission of characters far superior to himself.

It actually shows that he doesn't have startegic intelligence and most of his successful manoeuvres could be put down to chance/fluke. If a character can't consistently demonstrate a quality then it can't be claimed to be a definite quality. The examples I mentioned were their to dismiss such an assertion.

I don't think so. You're obviously so upset that you had to disrespect me by cutting my previous post out and calling it BS, and then attempted to discredit me by accusing me of being an alternate account as if that's somehow pertinent to the discussion at hand. You can make as many post as you want, and I will consistently, logically, and factually shoot them all-the-while making you look dumb. I understand if you're in denial about receiving multiple L's from a new person, not only in this thread but in other threads as well. It's because you let your pride get in your way, and it blinds you. No wonder your favorites are the Uchiha.

Resulting to adhominem attacks as a way to discredit the points :lmao:

The fact that you think you handed out an L let alone multiple Ls is laughable. You were called an alt because you're ability to use the url, SPOILER, divisve quoting etc in a few days isn't something new members do. See I got dragged back in:lol

I won't come back again, Salamander leaving you.

Ps. Apologising if you are genuinely new

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
It doesn't matter Naruto admits he's make clones randomly. His own admission provides the actual context for every situation prior. That is unless he shows he strategises it via statement.

You always refer to these admissions and yet you provide no scans for your claims. I have a metric ****ton of scans specifically showing Naruto NOT using his clones in spontaneous in erratic maneuvers :bouncy: it's like you find one thing to ride off of and it immediately dismisses all of the contrasting evidence.

Of course a random act shows there was no strategic planning. And his own admission confirms this.

Again, randomly making clones =/= not having a strategy, not when Naruto consistently employs his clones with Jōnin-level+ maneuverability and coordination. There having been countless instances in which he uses them to outnumber (yes, outnumbering your opponent is strategic) or deceive his enemies in combat, maneuver himself in mid-air, transform into weapons, scout areas, or test an opponent's abilities.

No he didn't immediately form another plan, Kakashi and Yamato saved him. He gave a tnj to both of them then formed a plan not to get caught like before. That's not an immediate improvisation, an immediate improvisation would only be if a plan on the spot to bail him out and cover.

Direct statements from characters > your headcanon.

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That's his go to strategy and he wanted to employ it against Madara as well.

So you admit he's capable of strategy? Regardless of this, it isn't his only strategy, which again has been shown in the 30+ scans I referenced.

Sasuke himself isn't a strategic genius either even though he's above most.

WOAH! Woah, woah, woah, woah. Are you SURE you want to go that route? Because I have EVEN MORE evidence proving Sasuke's strategic intelligence that I could ever show for Naruto. Don't go making claims like that without backing yourself up, because again you're hurting yourself. Cause when those scans come a rollin', you drop into denial.

It's not since she also used Byakugan and then mysteriously turns it off. It is plot nerf for obvious reasons but it doesn't matter either way.

It did not mysteriously turn off. She used it to view Naruto and Sasuke's chakra system and then reverted it to it's normal state. What, was she supposed to go around viewing everything with an infrared vision?

Naruto spammed clones Kakashi used a clone to trap/pain with a plan of action in mind. Naruto didn't have a plan of action or follow up. That's not what one would call strategy.

Regardless of how many clones Naruto used, they both employed a decoy method. And I would think that any successful attempt at stopping the rapid cellular destruction of your body by employing a decoy method would be considered a "plan of action", on a short-term scale. Like I said, Naruto isn't a genius, and he's not going to instantly pull up some intricate, complex, and perfectly orchestrated plan every time he fights someone. But the little things he does, shows signs of, if not completely proves, his strategic intelligence.

Obviously not as that intelligence went out of the window. Naruto himself admits he would randomly make clones so his words trump your excuse.

Actual events that have been carried out in the manga and have been acknowledge by other characters trumps your deniability. Like, you have characters blatantly acknowledging that Naruto "thought so far ahead" and yet you're still denying his ability for strategy. It's sad at this point. And even then, I have yet to see you post a scan of Naruto making that admission.

Do tell how did you grasp the ability to use the Url function which is quite complicated within a few days?

You're asking how I know the functionality of a hotlink on a website that uses THE most common forum setup? You do realize NarutoBase isn't the only forum on the internet, right?

It actually shows that he doesn't have strategic intelligence and most of his successful maneuvers could be put down to chance/fluke. If a character can't consistently demonstrate a quality then it can't be claimed to be a definite quality. The examples I mentioned were their to dismiss such an assertion.

It's baffling how you can still claim this with all the evidence and logic against you. The statement you made about qualities is completely false, because the ****ton of evidence I provided blatantly proves Naruto's aptitude for strategic intelligence. It doesn't define his character, no, but it does imply the innate potential for strategic intelligence/competence. You only have to win once to be a winner. Well at least you implicitly conceded to Naruto being capable of strategic intelligence when you stated "can't consistently demonstrate quality", a clear acknowledgement that said quality is present.

Resulting to adhominem attacks as a way to discredit the points

oof, I love that reverse logic, when you brought up alternate accounts, something that had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever, to discredit me, and even condescended me by likening my posts to "BS". It would be adhominem if I completely ignored your arguments and formed my own arguments based purely on derogating you, which isn't at all the case. I have consistently addressed and refuted all of your arguments, yet I have a growing list of arguments you either dismissed without evidence or completely ignored. I never said anything about you that wasn't true, and the fact that you aren't denying it is further evidence.

The fact that you think you handed out an L let alone multiple Ls is laughable. You were called an alt because you're ability to use the url, SPOILER, divisive quoting etc in a few days isn't something new members do. See I got dragged back in :lol

I, and every single person who witnessed this debate, knows who won. You can go to your grave denying it, but it will always be here and it will always be true. You can't run from this.

I won't come back again, Salamander leaving you.

PS: Apologizing if you are genuinely new

Concession and apology comfortably accepted =D

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

Happy Medium said:
You always refer to these admissions and yet you provide no scans for your claims. I have a metric ****ton of scans specifically showing Naruto NOT using his clones in spontaneous in erratic maneuvers :bouncy: it's like you find one thing to ride off of and it immediately dismisses all of the contrasting evidence.

I did say I was done so I have just a few questions just for you? Did Naruto make the clones himself against Kidomaru or was their a plan in place? Did Naruto make the plan or was Shikamaru the planner?

Did Naruto state he randomly makes clones? Does random use of jutsu count as strategy? I don't want examples I want you to explain how actions done in randomness mean they're strategic.

Again, randomly making clones =/= not having a strategy, not when Naruto consistently employs his clones with Jōnin-level+ maneuverability and coordination. There having been countless instances in which he uses them to outnumber (yes, outnumbering your opponent is strategic) or deceive his enemies in combat, maneuver himself in mid-air, transform into weapons, scout areas, or test an opponent's abilities.

I've already addressed this nonsense so I'll just ask explain how an act which done randomly is equal to making a plan? Is a random act strategic when the character himself admits he's done it randomly? Does randomly spamming them and employing them to try and overhwlem an opponent since you can't think a strategy to combat your opponent mean it's strategic moneovure(here I mean a thought out strategy), if so then why did Kakshi stop him from using his "strategy" against Madara?

Direct statements from characters > your headcanon.

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I'm curious do walk me through what happened and how Naruto came up with a startegy so fast? Don't miss out any details, I look forward to reading it?

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Oh by the way how does a direct statement from Kakashi contain validity yet Naruto's admission of using SCJ randomly isn't admissible?

Just a few questions, since I'm done. Thanks.

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
I did say I was done so I have just a few questions just for you? Did Naruto make the clones himself against Kidomaru or was their a plan in place? Did Naruto make the plan or was Shikamaru the planner?

Did Naruto state he randomly makes clones? Does random use of jutsu count as strategy? I don't want examples I want you to explain how actions done in randomness mean they're strategically

Oh, wow. Welcome back. I see the list of arguments that you've ignored or denied with no evidence only grows. Your argument for Naruto not being strategically intelligent relies solely on his use of shadow clones and does not take account for several other instances, some if not most of which he doesn't even use his shadow clones. But anyway, these questions. Are you asking me if the shadow clones of Naruto were made by Naruto? Is that rhetorical? Naruto improvised the plan to stay back and wait for an opening; that, Shikamaru had no part in planning. Like Kakashi has stated, "Naruto was always unexpectedly cunning", another statement amongst many which you have blatantly disregarded as it deems convenient for you.

According to the scans you posted below, apparently he does. I can concede to this. However, I won't concede that this is random use of jutsu, when Naruto has used his clones to consistently outmaneuver and outsmart his opponent. A coordinated attack is not random. Naruto's use of a shadow clone as a decoy was a perfect example of this. Regardless of how "nerfed" you think Neji was, it still demonstrates the use of shadow clones for a strategic advantage, and yet you keep using half-truths to fabricate excuses in denial.

I've already addressed this nonsense explain of an act which done in random how is equal to making a plan? Is a random act strategic when the character himself admits he's done it randomly? Does randomly spamming them and employing them to try and overwhelm an opponent since you can't think a strategy to combat your opponent mean it's strategic maneuever, if so then why did Kakshi stop him from using his "strategy" against Madara?

As I've said in my post before, which again you ignored, outnumbering and overwhelming your opponents is a form a strategy. However, it's is not by any means the only strategy Naruto has employed with his shadow clones (as evidenced by actual instances rather than arbitrary statements). Kakashi stopped Naruto simply because the strategy isn't going to work against everyone, especially people like Madara and Obito who have displayed physical attributes beyond comprehension. Oh look, valid reasoning and logic, probably something you're going to ignore in your next post (because I'm certain there's going to be a next one).

I'm curious do walk me through what happened and how Naruto came up with a strategy so fast? Don't miss out any details, I look forward to reading it?

Alright, apparently you're incapable of going and reading the manga yourself, so I guess I have to post multiple scans in chronological order, showing you that Naruto did not consult Kakashi about a new plan before initiating it. He was rescued by Yamato and Kakashi, criticized by Yamato, Kakashi, Ino, and Choji, and then proceeded to prove them all wrong by employing an entirely new method with the use of the shadow clones that you claim he only uses for spamming:

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And I'm just going to slip this in here:

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Oh by the way how does a direct statement from Kakashi contain validity yet Naruto's admission of using SCJ randomly isn't admissible?

I never claimed that this statement from him wasn't admissible, and I address these point in my above statements, since your entire post consists of basically the same thing stated over and over again in different ways. It's redundant, but I'm obligated to reply nonetheless :yeah:

Just a few questions, since I'm done. Thanks.

I highly doubt this. You've said your goodbyes at least three times already, and yet you keep coming back to get shot down. If you were really confident in your beliefs, you wouldn't feel the need to validate them by replying after having already said you were done. You can't even commit to your own decisions, apparently. You make little to no good points, dodging or ignoring my own, and your entire argument hangs by a single thread, sloppy and unstable. And no, this isn't adhominem, I'm just telling you it as I and everyone else sees it. Your reasoning is fair at best, but it's a stone away from crumbling at your feat :eww:

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

Happy Medium said:
Oh, wow. Welcome back. I see the list of arguments that you've ignored or denied with no evidence only grows. Your argument for Naruto not being strategically intelligent relies solely on his use of shadow clones and does not take account for several other instances, some if not most of which he doesn't even use his shadow clones. But anyway, these questions. Are you asking me if the shadow clones of Naruto were made by Naruto? Is that rhetorical? Naruto improvised the plan to stay back and wait for an opening; that, Shikamaru had no part in planning. Like Kakashi has stated, "Naruto was always unexpectedly cunning", another statement amongst many which you have blatantly disregarded as it deems convenient for you.

I was out a long time ago, I missed the scan confirming the bold do you have it?

According to the scans you posted below, apparently he does. I can concede to this. However, I won't concede that this is random use of jutsu, when Naruto has used his clones to consistently outmaneuver and outsmart his opponent. A coordinated attack is not random. Naruto's use of a shadow clone as a decoy was a perfect example of this. Regardless of how "nerfed" you think Neji was, it still demonstrates the use of shadow clones for a strategic advantage, and yet you keep using half-truths to fabricate excuses in denial.

If Naruto himself says he uses clones randomly who am I to dispute his own words. You can try and give me examples of "his planning" but his own statement trumps everything and anything. Too me when both are considered it means Naruto tries whatever he can he doesn't plan it out or know if it had a possibility for success. If it works it's a win for him, if not he gets balied out. Take it how you will, I don't care for it I just wanted you to answer some questions.

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
I was out a long time ago, I missed the scan confirming the bold do you have it?

Sigh

I can give you scans of the the plan that Shikamaru did create, which didn't include any details of when and how Naruto would fight Kidomaru:

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Naruto's fight with Kidomaru was a spur of the moment engagement that included no planning or preparation:

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If Naruto himself says he uses clones randomly who am I to dispute his own words. You can try and give me examples of "his planning" but his own statement trumps everything and anything. Too me when both are considered it means Naruto tries whatever he can he doesn't plan it out or know if it had a possibility for success. If it works it's a win for him, if not he gets balied out. Take it how you will, I don't care for it I just wanted you to answer some questions.

Again, I want to dismiss the claim that his use of clones are really random. Yes, Naruto said this in the spur of a moment, and his words do carry weight. Even taking that into account, the actual, tangible, documented history of Naruto using his clones in a coordinated and strategic manner directly contradicts Naruto's statement. Have you ever heard the term that actions speak louder than words? Naruto can say that he can sprout wings and fly, but when there's evidence specifically refuting this through recognizable and fully-acknowledged events, then you have to call into question the statement. Possibility for success isn't a factor, because the success rate varies depending on who the strategy is being applied to. The fact that he can create, orchestrate, and often even succeed in most of his strategies is evidence enough that he does have strategic intelligence/competence. When you devise a strategy before fighting an opponent, that's called preparation time. When you devise one in the middle, it's called improvisation. They're both valid forms of strategizing. Of course, Naruto is no good at thinking of plans beforehand, because he had prep time and a strategy for defeating Kakuzu and STILL FAILED. It was in the midst of battle that he formulated a new strategy, a spur of the moment idea that got the upper-hand on someone with decades more battle experience than he has. I don't want to bring it up, but you've consistently, unintentionally, and implicitly admitted multiple times to what you were originally in denial about, which was that Naruto has no strategic intelligence. You've made statement inherently acknowledging that he does, but then you make the mistake of trying to quantify his intelligence in comparison to people like Kakashi, who are smarter and have more battle experience, and people like Shikamaru, who is a master strategist; although, as demonstrated with the decoy strategies, Naruto can apply battle rationality reminiscent of Kakashi.

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

Happy Medium said:
Sigh

I can give you scans of the the plan that Shikamaru did create, which didn't include any details of when and how Naruto would fight Kidomaru:

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Naruto's fight with Kidomaru was a spur of the moment engagement that included no planning or preparation:

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Yep there was no plan that's why Shikamaru was excited.

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There was no plan that's why Shikamaru went in as Jirobo.

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There was no plan so Naruto tried a shadow clone ambush straight after Shikamaru got detected.

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Yep there was no plan that's why Naruto knew now neither Akamaru or Kiba can be dodged.

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That's why after everything that happened Shaikamaru confirmed that even this much planning wasn't enough

I'm still waiting for the scan which confirms that Naruto decided to stay behind of his own will. You've started to demonstrate intellectual dishonest, I'm dissapointed.

Again, I want to dismiss the claim that his use of clones are really random. Yes, Naruto said this in the spur of a moment, and his words do carry weight. Even taking that into account, the actual, tangible, documented history of Naruto using his clones in a coordinated and strategic manner directly contradicts Naruto's statement. Have you ever heard the term that actions speak louder than words? Naruto can say that he can sprout wings and fly, but when there's evidence specifically refuting this through recognizable and fully-acknowledged events, then you have to call into question the statement. Possibility for success isn't a factor, because the success rate varies depending on who the strategy is being applied to. The fact that he can create, orchestrate, and often even succeed in most of his strategies is evidence enough that he does have strategic intelligence/competence. When you devise a strategy before fighting an opponent, that's called preparation time. When you devise one in the middle, it's called improvisation. They're both valid forms of strategizing. Of course, Naruto is no good at thinking of plans beforehand, because he had prep time and a strategy for defeating Kakuzu and STILL FAILED. It was in the midst of battle that he formulated a new strategy, a spur of the moment idea that got the upper-hand on someone with decades more battle experience than he has. I don't want to bring it up, but you've consistently, unintentionally, and implicitly admitted multiple times to what you were originally in denial about, which was that Naruto has no strategic intelligence. You've made statement inherently acknowledging that he does, but then you make the mistake of trying to quantify his intelligence in comparison to people like Kakashi, who are smarter and have more battle experience, and people like Shikamaru, who is a master strategist; although, as demonstrated with the decoy strategies, Naruto can apply battle rationality reminiscent of Kakashi.

All I read was blah blah blah, Naruto's own admission negs.

Ps. I was done debating several posts back these are just questions which I'm probably going to stop asking.

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
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Yep there was no plan that's why Shikamaru was excited.

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There was no plan that's why Shikamaru went in as Jirobo.

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There was no plan so Naruto tried a shadow clone ambush straight after Shikamaru got detected.

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Yep there was no plan that's why Naruto knew now neither Akamaru or Kiba can be dodged.

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All of this is meaningless unless you have scans showing Shikamaru creating a plan, one that specifically involved Naruto tricking Kidomaru. If not, my evidence is solid and your evidence is mere speculation: "Kidomaru stating that Naruto thought far ahead" vs "Assuming that whatever off-screen plan Shikamaru devised included Naruto tricking Kidomaru". Again, for the third time, using half-truths to validate an otherwise invalid opinion. Not a very sound argument.

That's why after everything that happened Shaikamaru confirmed that even this much planning wasn't enough

I was going to cut this part out, but I figured I'd make an example out of it since you complained about me cutting parts out. It's because when you make statements that try to reinforce a point that I already address, it becomes kind of redundant having to repeat the same point that I already provided above. This post I'm quoting now is a half truth; it's true, but it's a by-product of a misconception bred from misguided ideology.

I'm still waiting for the scan which confirms that Naruto decided to stay behind of his own will. You've started to demonstrate intellectual dishonest, I'm disappointed.

I was never asked for these scans, nor did these type of scans have anything to do with what we're debating. I don't know what you mean by intellectual dishonest, because that's not even a valid term; I think you're attempting to make a point, but you've consistently misspelled words through this entire debate, to this point where I constantly have to spellcheck your posts for you when I quote them. If you meant intellectual dishonesty, then I'm going to have to ask you to stop making accusation as to impugn my credibility. I've not been dishonest about anything that I've said so far; I have made several admissions and even a few concession while still working in favor of my own argument. You on the other hand are stubborn until the bitter end, and you've denied countless proof refuting your opinion, only nitpicking certain points to try and get a win but ultimately failing almost every time.

All I read was blah blah blah, Naruto's own admission negs.

Like I said before; willful ignorance.

PS: I was done debating several posts back these are just questions which I'm probably going to stop asking.

Again, I highly doubt this. Although, I hope that any bitterness you hold in this thread doesn't carry over into other threads, seeing how you've gone as far as to confide in allegations made against me by users in other threads (minamoto calling me a clone). It's petty at the least, and mildly amusing at best.

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

Happy Medium said:
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I didn't want to do this again but you left me no choice. After they engage Kidomaru and everything that follows Shikamaru says"even this much planning not enough..."

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It doesn't take rocket t scientist to figure out Shikamaru planned it

You suggested what happened wasn't part of Shikamaru's plan (Naruto staying back) the burden of proof is on you since Shikamaru confirms planning. If anything everything you've said is speculation and what I've said is solid. Nobody praised Naruto for doing what he did and neither does Shikamaru say thanks for not following my plan.

I'm not here to hand out Ls

I'm done asking questions, carry on with whatever you were peddling.

Bye

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
I didn't want to do this again but you left me no choice. After they engage Kidomaru and everything that follows Shikamaru says"even this much planning not enough..."

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Ha! He's back!

Oh, so you're repeating something I've already addressed in my last post (surprise, surprise). Again, this is speculation, assuming that Naruto tricking Kidomaru was apart of Shikamaru's plan. I don't need to disprove speculation, until you give me evidence of Shikamaru stating that Naruto tricking Kidomaru was apart of his own plan, rather than vague and ambiguous statements. You know, it's sad that this is what this debate has devolved into. You couldn't disprove or refute anything else I pointed out, so you decide to focus on one specific instance out of multiple, and you're failing with the same amount of consistency as when you attempted to debate multiple instances at once.

It doesn't take rocket t scientist to figure out Shikamaru planned it You suggested what happened wasn't part of Shikamaru's plan (Naruto staying back) the burden of proof is on you since Shikamaru confirms planning. If anything everything you've said is speculation and what I've said is solid. Nobody praised Naruto for doing what he did and neither does Shikamaru say thanks for not following my plan.

Again, I don't need to disprove your speculation. My evidence is not speculation because we have a character specifically confirming/acknowledging, and defining an action for a character (Kidomaru: "You thought so far ahead"). And yet the only statement that you've provided is both vague and ambiguous by definition. Vague, because it's unclear which plan he's referring to or whose it is, or which parts of the prior events were apart of his own plan. And inherently ambiguous because it's vagueness leaves it open to interpretation.

I'm not here to hand out Ls

You're right, you're here to take them, which you've done consistently now.

I'm done asking questions, carry on with whatever you were peddling.

Bye

I'm Pretty sure I'll be seeing you in a minute or two, but I'll play along. Bye :bye:

To Whatever · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
No just no, she's too good to be reduced to pairing fodder and trash. It would be a rinse and repeat just with another character. Hanabi should be the lead character of the new series is shouldn't be called Boruto, the Hyuga have every reason and opportunity to be relevant in this series.

Hanabi was irrelevant for close to a decade and even now is barely relevant to the plot aside from being the kids Aunt.

Stop hyping up characters from this shit series. Just because you find her cute doesn’t mean you can pretend her character has depth.

salamander uchiha · Oct 25, 2018

This site is dead said:
Hanabi was irrelevant for close to a decade and even now is barely relevant to the plot aside from being the kids Aunt.

Stop hyping up characters from this shit series. Just because you find her cute doesn’t mean you can pretend her character has depth.

Stay :salt:y she's better than the rest of the fodder females. She allowed potential development with the Otsutsuki story line developing so I supported her. I doubt she'll be relevant anymore post her few appearances.

On another note perhaps she's not viewed as bad because she's had less screen time. Anyhow I've pretty much given up on most of my hopes for the new series.

To Whatever · Oct 25, 2018

salamander uchiha said:
Stay :salt:y she's better than the rest of the fodder females. She allowed potential development with the Otsutsuki story line developing so I supported her. I doubt she'll be relevant anymore post her few appearances.

On another note perhaps she's not viewed as bad because she's had less screen time. Anyhow I've pretty much given up on most of my hopes for the new series.

How is she better when 90% of her appearances aren’t in the manga of either series? Not to mention all of the females are bad and by saying she’s better doesn’t mean much.

She’s not bad and she’s not good, there’s literally not enough of her character to even bring a proper comparison, even by feats.

What we know about Hanabi is that she is jounin, heir to her clan and aunt to Boruto and Himawari who she dotes over even when drunk and loves her family. You’re not the only one who has given up on the series. Literally everyone cries about it every episode and chapter while still following it.

Naruto ended chapter 699 and The Last.

Happy Medium · Oct 25, 2018

This site is dead said:
There’s literally not enough of her character to even bring a proper comparison

lol

Hanabi on Team Ebisu?

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