Gaara vs Madara (Read Restrictions)

[salamander uchiha]

The thing about gaara is, he can turn any terrain into a dessert. He did it in PART 1 against kimimaro, and he only improved from there...

The chakra cost is immense for that haf Kimi not died Gaara was a gonner. Btw no he can't turn any terrain into desert that's fanfic right there.

where are people getting gaara is low jonin from? he hasn't shown any evidence of being that level, he's never lost a fight (not counting p1 naruto because he had absurd plot armor) except for deidara and thats because he was trying to protect the village

He's fodder tier outside of the village, I made clear he's Kage level in sunagakure because he had Shukaku and the desert but that's about it. He's just not Kage calibre granted he stands out around Darui and Kurotsuchi but they're nothing special either. The standard of Kage has declined significantly since the retirement of the previous generation. Now let's not defend the second tier character like a blind fan.

Gaara without Shukaku and outside the sand.

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Madara low diff

Why low diff and not neg diff?

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[MissingFUCKINGnin]

The chakra cost is immense for that haf Kimi not died Gaara was a gonner. Btw no he can't turn any terrain into desert that's fanfic right there.



He's fodder tier outside of the village, I made clear he's Kage level in sunagakure because he had Shukaku and the desert but that's about it. He's just not Kage calibre granted he stands out around Darui and Kurotsuchi but they're nothing special either. The standard of Kage has declined significantly since the retirement of the previous generation. Now let's not defend the second tier character like a blind fan.

Im not defending the rest of the kage... ( although, darui > tobirama if we scale from kinkaku & ginkaku :elmo: )

But gaara isnt low jonin, he has never been defeated by anybody of that level and has only participated and won in high level kage battles... saying he is low jonin is just irrational spite... and anywhere there is dirt, gaara can transform it into a desert by kneading the minerals into sand, as explained in the kimimaro fight

 

[salamander uchiha]

Im not defending the rest of the kage... ( although, darui > tobirama if we scale from kinkaku & ginkaku :elmo: )

But gaara isnt low jonin, he has never been defeated by anybody of that level and has only participated and won in high level kage battles... saying he is low jonin is just irrational spite... and anywhere there is dirt, gaara can transform it into a desert by kneading the minerals into sand, as explained in the kimimaro fight

Don't talk rubbish the onky battles he participated in he was being helped by Kage (troll Kage) Nd the other Kage. With their support he wasn't raped by Madara from the onset. A playful Madara negged them like fodder for that's his tier. There's no spite only facts, like I said even a dying Kimimaro was going to off him and that is while he had access to Shukaku's chakra.

As for Tobirama he fought the Ginkaku force not just those two and neither did he have their sealing tools to assist him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Madara wins. Youre gonna have to restrict v4 as well if you want garra to actually stand a chance.

 

[blazekev90]

Garda high difficulty. Don’t @ me

 

[jimbobbity]

Madara low diffs but my boi salamander uchiha is seriously under-estimating gaara.

 

[Jinrou]

Gaara's abilities are heavily dependent on terrain which is why i put him in a desert.

Considering his abilities of:

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Massive amounts of sand control

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and

vast arsenal (Desert)


I figure Madara will win by outlasting Gaara (Stamina wise) but i dont see how Madara can offensively beat him at such a disadvantage.

Bold isn't completely true considering his fight vs Kimi didn't take place in a desert. And the fight in the war arc didn't take place in a sandy desert either. A barren rocky terrain =/= a desert full of sand. [

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]. As far as there is earth beneath him, he always has access to sand as its in the manga itself that creating sand is nothing to him. But it doesn't change the fact he would definitely have more advantage in a desert.

For the fight however, i would think Gaara has a chance but portrayal makes me give it to Madara. Gaara won't need to expend more chakra creating sand as its already there, he's a long range (sometimes aerial) fighter so Genjutsu (short range) and projectiles (reduced acceleration) are useless imo.

But really, i don't even know the different versions of Susanoo anyway. I give it to Madara at a high diff but if the Susanoo you restricted him to isn't legged then Gaara wins imo.

 

[Mellanoma]

Bold isn't completely true considering his fight vs Kimi didn't take place in a desert. And the fight in the war arc didn't take place in a sandy desert either. A barren rocky terrain =/= a desert full of sand. [

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]. As far as there is earth beneath him, he always has access to sand as its in the manga itself that creating sand is nothing to him. But it doesn't change the fact he would definitely have more advantage in a desert.

For the fight however, i would think Gaara has a chance but portrayal makes me give it to Madara. Gaara won't need to expend more chakra creating sand as its already there, he's a long range (sometimes aerial) fighter so Genjutsu (short range) and projectiles (reduced acceleration) are useless imo.

But really, i don't even know the different versions of Susanoo anyway. I give it to Madara at a high diff but if the Susanoo you restricted him to isn't legged then Gaara wins imo.

You say my statement about terrain correlates to his abilities is not completely true yet you specifically give details on how Gaara uses the terrain to further amplify his capabilities? He NEEDs a desert to maximize his capabilities so he uses the ground itself to convert his environment into a desert. By me putting him into a desert he doesn't need the conversion process which takes time, time he does not have.

Also for the sake of Kimi fight AND vs the Edo kage, Gaara had support. In this fight Gaara is by himself with no support. He's going to need as much sand as possible. Especially since canonically Gaara's gourd sand was incapable of stopping Madara.


Gaara Blocking Kimi attacks with gourd sand:

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Gaara blocking Madara attack with Gourd Sand:

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[salamander uchiha]

You say my statement about terrain correlates to his abilities is not completely true yet you specifically give details on how Gaara uses the terrain to further amplify his capabilities? He NEEDs a desert to maximize his capabilities so he uses the ground itself to convert his environment into a desert. By me putting him into a desert he doesn't need the conversion process which takes time, time he does not have.

Also for the sake of Kimi fight AND vs the Edo kage, Gaara had support. In this fight Gaara is by himself with no support. He's going to need as much sand as possible. Especially since canonically Gaara's gourd sand was incapable of stopping Madara.


Gaara Blocking Kimi attacks with gourd sand:

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Gaara blocking Madara attack with Gourd Sand:

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Good block of a Susanoo blade by Gaara and people wonder why he's rated low Jonin. He gets neg diffed even without Susanoo but V1 is enough to utterly humiliate him. If you wanted to give him a fightning chance then you should've restricted Madara to his testicle vs Gaara.

 

[Jinrou]

You say my statement about terrain correlates to his abilities is not completely true yet you specifically give details on how Gaara uses the terrain to further amplify his capabilities? He NEEDs a desert to maximize his capabilities so he uses the ground itself to convert his environment into a desert. By me putting him into a desert he doesn't need the conversion process which takes time, time he does not have.

I made that statement because my interpretation of your previous quote was the underlined which is not correct. Gaara can utilize his full capabilities as long as there is Earth beneath him. The only difference between a full blown sandy desert and regular earth terrain with regards to Gaara is negligible as he says in p1 that creating sand is no art to him.

The conversion part also doesn't take time. In p1 he created that Tsunami almost immediately. [

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] His gourd sand is clearly behind him in the first panel (which is when he started creating) and by the bottom panel, the sand is gone.

And that bold.. Gaara just creates the sand he needs at the point he doesn't create deserts every fight.

Also for the sake of Kimi fight AND vs the Edo kage, Gaara had support. In this fight Gaara is by himself with no support. He's going to need as much sand as possible. Especially since canonically Gaara's gourd sand was incapable of stopping Madara.


Gaara Blocking Kimi attacks with gourd sand:

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Gaara blocking Madara attack with Gourd Sand:

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All Lee did was watch and commentate lol.. That counts as support to you? Gaara defeated Rasa by himself and also the trollkage by himself after he decided not to give the alliance info on how to stop him anymore. Dude couldn't even utilize his usual large volume's of sand because of the numerous shinobi around him.

Also that's a senjutsu enhanced Madara whose sword couldn't breach through that little volume of sand. Gaara didn't take damage from it as well. Is the Madara in your matchup Senjutsu enhanced?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Also that's a senjutsu enhanced Madara whose sword was only able to destroy that little volume of sand. Gaara didn't take damage from it as well. Is the Madara in your matchup Senjutsu enhanced?

The manure reeks, all senjutsu are different and afford different benefits, there was no difference between Madara's regular Susanoo and the one he used to neg Gaara with. This Madara who restrained SM Hashi and negged Noodles and EMS Sauce was still not at his past/original strength level according to Hashirama.

Anyway Madara's non "SM Susanoo" Shuriken pierce through Gaara's sand and Ohnoki's stone golem cracking it.

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Accept the facts low Jonin level Gaara stands no chance.