Madara stopped using so many jutsu when he became a Jinchuuriki

[super michael]

As we know Madara got a lot of jutsu, which he stopped such as these below:

- Mokuton jutsu
- Susano every stage
- Katon
- His Uchiha weapon, can’t remember its name
- Genjutsu
- His two MS Jutsu, which he never showed at all
- Mokuton clones and Susano or perfect Susano
- Rinnengan jutsu apart from Limbo
- Juubi sword which Obito used

Madara had so much jutsu, but he stopped using them when he became the Juubi.

 

[salamander uchiha]

If he used them it would've been GG NV.

 

[MightGai]

Probably because all of that is weaker to either his Rikudo Senjutsu or the onmyouton release.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

The fact is: he wanted to experience his new refined techs. He even said it to White Zetsu.

And there was no problem in it, since he took years to train the Rinne techs. And they were expansive and terrific ones: Limbo is here to prove that.

 

[super michael]

If he used them it would've been GG NV.

I guess that is true, imagine a Jinchuuriki Madara that has Senjutsu using Perfect Susano that would be hard to beat. Make that clones with Susano that is powerful.

 

[Animegoin]

Arrogance

Nah, plot armor.

OT: Madara had stopped using literally everything aside from PS when he and Edo Hashirama fought. When he was resurrected with no eyes, he only used Susano’o and Limbo. After that he heavily relied on Limbo, the nerfing was very real.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Plot restriction. Madara would have summoned PS the moment he realized he couldn't tread around Naruto and Sasuke easily.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Nah, plot armor.

OT: Madara had stopped using literally everything aside from PS when he and Edo Hashirama fought. When he was resurrected with no eyes, he only used Susano’o and Limbo. After that he heavily relied on Limbo, the nerfing was very real.

Nah ,arrogance. plot would be if he actually fought with everything and still lost. Plot is what people whine about when characters don’t do what people THINK they should be doing. He wasn’t stupidly restricted, he just didn’t want to. Like, the dude literally stood there to tank the known strongest taijutsu attacks by choice and people deny his arrogance. It’s written in there, it’s how he is, with everyone bar hashi.

Personally bz doing what he did was f cking plot stupidity. Madaras defeat was plot stupidity, and he probably would of wiped the floor with our heroes. Madara waiting till the last moment to go all out cause he wanted to dance first? That’s all madara

 

[ninjarasengan]

Nah ,arrogance. plot would be if he actually fought with everything and still lost. Plot is what people whine about when characters don’t do what people THINK they should be doing. He wasn’t stupidly restricted, he just didn’t want to. Like, the dude literally stood there to tank the known strongest taijutsu attacks by choice and people deny his arrogance. It’s written in there, it’s how he is, with everyone bar hashi.

Personally bz doing what he did was f cking plot stupidity. Madaras defeat was plot stupidity, and he probably would of wiped the floor with our heroes. Madara waiting till the last moment to go all out cause he wanted to dance first? That’s all madara

Agreed...it's just a part of his character

I'd consider 'plot stupidity'/Plot induced stupidity to be when a character is made stupider for the sake of plot during a particular scene...rather than when it's the characters natural state.

Though, why do you think BZ and his defeat was plot stupidity? At most, it just seems in bad taste from a fan's Pov.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Agreed...it's just a part of his character

I'd consider 'plot stupidity'/Plot induced stupidity to be when a character is made stupider for the sake of plot during a particular scene...rather than when it's the characters natural state.

Though, why do you think BZ and his defeat was plot stupidity? At most, it just seems in bad taste from a fan's Pov.

Cause you could take the entire bz plot line(and kaguya) out and nothing would change. It always seemed to me that that whole thing(about bz and him altering texts and always being there watching) just seemed like a load of horse shit kishi made up last minute to validate kaguya as the fv. You could take all that stuff away and continue the fight between madara and sasuke and naruto and the story would of ended fine and the same(if your production company didn’t have a sequel cash grab in mind of course)

 

[Uverdore9]

Simple. He did not use them because:-

1) He doesn't have The Rinnegan techniques.
2) Katon is weak.
3) Juubi restricts the usage of MS techniques - Susano is an MS technique.
4) Genjutsu usage leads to releasing The Limbo which is a Rinnegan technique and former requires switching to MS and they were his main card at that point in battle.
5) Mokuton were comparitively inferior and probably suffer the same weakness as MS techniques; that is The Juubi restricting thier usage since it is a form of Mokuton itself as it's the god tree.

These are the facts. Madara fanboys are just butthurt that he doesn't have The Rinnegan techniques so they use the "plot" excuse to get around that fact.

 

[Holy God]

Simple. He did not use them because:-

1) He doesn't have The Rinnegan techniques.

He used Planetary Devastation.

3) Juubi restricts the usage of MS techniques - Susano is an MS technique.

He used Kamui.

5) Mokuton were comparitively inferior and probably suffer the same weakness as MS techniques; that is The Juubi restricting thier usage since it is a form of Mokuton itself as it's the god tree.

See the above.

 

[Animegoin]

Nah ,arrogance. plot would be if he actually fought with everything and still lost. Plot is what people whine about when characters don’t do what people THINK they should be doing. He wasn’t stupidly restricted, he just didn’t want to. Like, the dude literally stood there to tank the known strongest taijutsu attacks by choice and people deny his arrogance. It’s written in there, it’s how he is, with everyone bar hashi.

Personally bz doing what he did was f cking plot stupidity. Madaras defeat was plot stupidity, and he probably would of wiped the floor with our heroes. Madara waiting till the last moment to go all out cause he wanted to dance first? That’s all madara

How can you say a character that is written to follow a script, “didn’t want to” do anything? They’re characters and unless Kishimoto explicitly made a character say that they don’t want to use a technique, then it’s not so. Example, when Madara stated that he didn’t want to use PS against the Gokage again. Or when Obito stated that he didn’t have enough chakra to have his Edo Jins use the paths of Pain.

It was plot restriction all the way around. His abilities were blatantly restricted so that his opponents could survive. Naruto’s Bijuu rasenshuriken (the one that chopped down the divine tree) could’ve been absorbed, plot demanded that it didn’t happen. Madara could’ve negged Eight Gates Guy...@bold: He did ‘tank’ them but he didn’t necessarily want to, he literally put up a TSB shield but Kakashi opened it up with Kamui. He literally launched TSBs at Guy to kill him but more plot armor came in with Minato teleporting them away. Again, if he went that far, why didn’t he go a little further? And for the Hashirama portion, he was literally restricted from using Wood Release against Edo Hashirama.

Madara is arrogant, it’s part of his character, but let’s not blindly ignore plot armor when it’s blatantly there. He was heavily restricted from using Wood Release -save for IT, useful Sage art techs - the two that were used were pointless, relied heavily on Limbo for absolutely no reason at all, didn’t use the TSBs anywhere near as proficiently as Juubito but yet, he’s literally a smarter character, restricted from using Susano’o, restricted from his Limbo clones using Susano’o, etc. The guy literally had WAYYY more chakra than Naruto and Sasuke combined. And when BZ ambushed, he technically could’ve swapped with his Limbo clones and escaped but plot dictated otherwise. If that’s not stupidly restricted, give me an example of what is.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

How can you say a character that is written to follow a script, “didn’t want to” do anything? They’re characters and unless Kishimoto explicitly made a character say that they don’t want to use a technique, then it’s not so. Example, when Madara stated that he didn’t want to use PS against the Gokage again. Or when Obito stated that he didn’t have enough chakra to have his Edo Jins use the paths of Pain.

It was plot restriction all the way around. His abilities were blatantly restricted so that his opponents could survive. Naruto’s Bijuu rasenshuriken (the one that chopped down the divine tree) could’ve been absorbed, plot demanded that it didn’t happen. Madara could’ve negged Eight Gates Guy...@bold: He did ‘tank’ them but he didn’t necessarily want to, he literally put up a TSB shield but Kakashi opened it up with Kamui. He literally launched TSBs at Guy to kill him but more plot armor came in with Minato teleporting them away. Again, if he went that far, why didn’t he go a little further? And for the Hashirama portion, he was literally restricted from using Wood Release against Edo Hashirama.

Madara is arrogant, it’s part of his character, but let’s not blindly ignore plot armor when it’s blatantly there. He was heavily restricted from using Wood Release -save for IT, useful Sage art techs - the two that were used were pointless, relied heavily on Limbo for absolutely no reason at all, didn’t use the TSBs anywhere near as proficiently as Juubito but yet, he’s literally a smarter character, restricted from using Susano’o, restricted from his Limbo clones using Susano’o, etc. The guy literally had WAYYY more chakra than Naruto and Sasuke combined. And when BZ ambushed, he technically could’ve swapped with his Limbo clones and escaped but plot dictated otherwise. If that’s not stupidly restricted, give me an example of what is.

So essentially your saying anytime a character doesn’t use an attack we think they should, and doesn’t say they don’t want to, it’s plot armor?

 

[Animegoin]

So essentially your saying anytime a character doesn’t use an attack we think they should, and doesn’t say they don’t want to, it’s plot armor?

No, I’m saying when a character’s arsenal is heavily restricted and said character behavior starts to differ for no reason, at that point it’s plot armor. I also dismantled your flawed opinion, not that hard to understand tbh.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

No, I’m saying when a character’s arsenal is heavily restricted and said character behavior starts to differ for no reason, at that point it’s plot armor. I also dismantled your flawed opinion not that hard to understand tbh.

Good job dismanteling an opinion? It’s also not really known why it’s restricted, as it also happens obitos “normal” abilities where heavily restricted as a juubi jin as well. Madaras is at least explainable within character as he’s arrogant, and no amount of anything will change his acting arrogant after he became a juubi jin. Obito not so much, as he’s not like that, and would be a much better example of being straight up plot armor. Dismantle away.

Everything you said about gai happens before gais last attack, madara is getting up, and decided to praise this fool instead of attacking, and didn’t have time to react before getting hit with nightmoth.

 

[Animegoin]

Good job dismanteling an opinion? It’s also not really known why it’s restricted, as it also happens obitos “normal” abilities where heavily restricted as a juubi jin as well. Madaras is at least explainable within character as he’s arrogant, and no amount of anything will change his acting arrogant after he became a juubi jin. Obito not so much, as he’s not like that, and would be a much better example of being straight up plot armor. Dismantle away.

Everything you said about gai happens before gais last attack, madara is getting up, and decided to praise this fool instead of attacking, and didn’t have time to react before getting hit with nightmoth.

Obito’s ‘normal’ abilities can’t be compared to Madara’s because the latter used Susano’o with no eyes at all; Susano’o is literally just chakra manifestation and, as proven, is not restricted to the eyes being in the head. Well, at least for those with Rikudou chakra anyhow. But in both cases (Madara’s and Obito’s), as I’d said before, it was plot armor for their opponents to survive -including that last bit about Madara praising Gai instead of attacking right away.

 

[Uverdore9]

He used Planetary Devastation.

An Outer Path technique, available to all Rinnegan users.

He used Kamui.

Juubito as we know couldn't use Kamui because The Juubito was inside of him. This proves the fact; one cannot use thier own MS technique, but might be able to use a foreign one.

 

[Holy God]

An Outer Path technique, available to all Rinnegan users.

Which means he has Rinnegan techniques. By the way, it's a Deva Path technique.

Juubito as we know couldn't use Kamui because The Juubito was inside of him. This proves the fact; one cannot use thier own MS technique, but might be able to use a foreign one.

One person being unable to use one of their MS techiques in no way proves everyone can't use any. Obito said he couldn't phase with the Ten-Tails, whereas Madara did not phase, he teleported.

 

[Uverdore9]

Which means he has Rinnegan techniques. By the way, it's a Deva Path technique.

No pal. It isn't Deva Path's technique. It's the 'Seventh Pain's' or "Outer Paths" technique - which give access to The Gedo Rods and utilizes Rinne-tensei.

One person being unable to use one of their MS techiques in no way proves everyone can't use any. Obito said he couldn't phase with the Ten-Tails, whereas Madara did not phase, he teleported.

Okay; even then there is a certain reason - he can't use MS - he can't use Limbo otherwise with Rinnegan, which'd switch to Mangekyou and Limbo was his greatest tool at that point. And, he can't enhancify his Rinnegan with Sharingan since his is not Sharinnegan containing tomoe.