Seven known Paths not six.

[Mellanoma]

This is the current list of path abilities:

Naraka Path
Deva Path
Human Path
Animal Path
Preta Path
Asura Path
Outer Path


Manga specifying 7th path:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

How was this neglected?



Anyways with this broken down I'm interested in knowing the following:

Are Sasuke and Madara's Abilities an entirely different path unknown to us.

OR

Are Sasuke and Madara's Abilities a mix of two or more paths:
For example:

Limbo would technically be Outer Path + Deva Path + Naraka Path + Animal Path
Ameno would technically be Outer Path + Deva Path

Anyways, id like to know your opinions.

Thoughts?

 

[Animegoin]

Ameno And Limbo aren’t Path abilities in my opinion, they’re just techniques that just happen to be available for the Rinnegan.

 

[ThelUchiha]

Its seven with life/death

 

[Mellanoma]

Ameno And Limbo aren’t Path abilities in my opinion, they’re just techniques that just happen to be available for the Rinnegan.

I sort of believe this as well but since the abilities require chakra it must be labeled under one or more of the following groups:

Base Nature wheel element
KKG
KKT
KKM
Path ability

I guess it could be an exclusive (Sasuke eye or Madara eye only) type technique but I figure with the Rinnegan and enough research all abilities can be copied.

IE: Sasuke copying Kaguya's dimension shifting

If it was an MS or EMS it would make sense since those abilities are hard coded but Rinnegan seem to be capable of ANYTHING literally.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Madara and Sasuke both have the seven paths(them being the outer path or the mezo ppwer users). The limbo and the Ameno are special abilities ohtside of the seven paths. They are more like mangekyou sharingan jutsu and cast via the eye you could say they're the 4th mangekyou ability expressed via the Rinnegan.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

If you notice both emphasise the eye when the jitsu is cast.

 

[Urda]

There is no "Seventh Path," there is only Six. Konan used a metaphor (basically) to describe the powers of Rinnegan as it relates to Nagato's Six Path Jutsu, specifically Gedo Rennin Rebirth.

You must be registered for see images

 

[Mellanoma]

There is no "Seventh Path," there is only Six. Konan used a metaphor (basically) to describe the powers of Rinnegan as it relates to Nagato's Six Path Jutsu, specifically Gedo Rennin Rebirth.

You must be registered for see images

lol "He is the 7th pain" with "Outer Path" being the ability he used.

Madara and Sasuke both have the seven paths(them being the outer path or the mezo ppwer users). The limbo and the Ameno are special abilities ohtside of the seven paths. They are more like mangekyou sharingan jutsu and cast via the eye you could say they're the 4th mangekyou ability expressed via the Rinnegan.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

If you notice both emphasise the eye when the jitsu is cast.

Right I understand that but the Rinnegan in itself is capable of learning any jutsu based on manga definition. Feats also show this when Sasuke copied Kaguya's dimension shifting by reading her scroll. an MS can't learn another MS ability as those abilities are hard coded.

 

[Uverdore9]

No, Limbo and Ameno are seperate abilities. No one has the 6 Paths abilities other than Nagato.

 

[salamander uchiha]

lol "He is the 7th pain" with "Outer Path" being the ability he used.




Right I understand that but the Rinnegan in itself is capable of learning any jutsu based on manga definition. Feats also show this when Sasuke copied Kaguya's dimension shifting by reading her scroll. an MS can't learn another MS ability as those abilities are hard coded.

Any ability within reason, the Rinnegan wont suddenly grant you Kaguya clans bone manipulation etc. As for Sasuke learning to dimensional travel he didn't learn Kaguya's ability via scroll. He has a S/T jutsu which he learnt to use and open portals to other worlds just like Obito learnt to sync his S/T jutsu and travel between dimensions. On that point what makes their abilities more sharingan related in origin is that Nagato didn't gain Limbo on acquiring Madara's eyes.

 

[Mellanoma]

Any ability within reason, the Rinnegan wont suddenly grant you Kaguya clans bone manipulation etc.[/img]

This is why i stated learn a jutsu. Can't learn to do something if you dont have it ALTHOUGH Kabuto did show us its possible through modification.

As for Sasuke learning to dimensional travel he didn't learn Kaguya's ability via scroll. He has a S/T jutsu which he learnt to use and open portals to other worlds just like Obito learnt to sync his S/T jutsu and travel between dimensions. On that point what makes their abilities more sharingan related in origin is that Nagato didn't gain Limbo on acquiring Madara's eyes.

Sasuke being capable of using Kaguya's style of teleporting because he has a S/T jutsu is not plausible when dealing with rinnegans.

MS are hardcoded
Rinnegans are not based on the manga and databook. The user can do anything "Within reason" so that is not plausible.

On that point what makes their abilities more sharingan related in origin is that Nagato didn't gain Limbo on acquiring Madara's eyes.

Makes sense but manga contradicts it:

1) Obito didn't gain any abilities from having Madara eye and he is an Uchiha.
2) Nagato didn't gain any of Madara's abilities.


While one could argue the "Not powerful enough" statement, Obito did infact have one eye and was capable of using it. Why did he not gain any thing from it BEFORE and after becoming Juubi Jin.


To further emphasize my point: Rinnegan are not MS so the logic behind them can't be used the same way since the Rinne's capabilities are limitless

No, Limbo and Ameno are seperate abilities. No one has the 6 Paths abilities other than Nagato.

Every rinne user has used a 7 paths ability. What are you talking about?

 

[Uverdore9]

Any ability within reason, the Rinnegan wont suddenly grant you Kaguya clans bone manipulation etc.[/img]

This is why i stated learn a jutsu. Can't learn to do something if you dont have it ALTHOUGH Kabuto did show us its possible through modification.



Sasuke being capable of using Kaguya's style of teleporting because he has a S/T jutsu is not plausible when dealing with rinnegans.

MS are hardcoded
Rinnegans are not based on the manga and databook. The user can do anything "Within reason" so that is not plausible.



Makes sense but manga contradicts it:

1) Obito didn't gain any abilities from having Madara eye and he is an Uchiha.
2) Nagato didn't gain any of Madara's abilities.


While one could argue the "Not powerful enough" statement, Obito did infact have one eye and was capable of using it. Why did he not gain any thing from it BEFORE and after becoming Juubi Jin.


To further emphasize my point: Rinnegan are not MS so the logic behind them can't be used the same way since the Rinne's capabilities are limitless



Every rinne user has used a 7 paths ability. What are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about? I said no Rinnegan user has the Six Paths abilities Nagato used. When did I say anything about "a 7 paths ability"? Learn how to read.

 

[salamander uchiha]

This is why i stated learn a jutsu. Can't learn to do something if you dont have it ALTHOUGH Kabuto did show us its possible through modification.

Kabuto uses a sage technique if I'm not mistaken.

Sasuke being capable of using Kaguya's style of teleporting because he has a S/T jutsu is not plausible when dealing with rinnegans.

It's not the same, anyway why not Obito managed to use a similar jutsu within his own capacity.

MS are hardcoded
Rinnegans are not based on the manga and databook. The user can do anything "Within reason" so that is not plausible.

Of course it's plausible Obito did something similar with the MS which is a lesser stage of the Rinnegan. And the MS is hard coded as you put it.

Makes sense but manga contradicts it:

1) Obito didn't gain any abilities from having Madara eye and he is an Uchiha.
2) Nagato didn't gain any of Madara's abilities.

Obito didn't use any Rinnegan powers that doesn't mean he doesn't possess access to them. As for Nagato he had the Rinnegan and lacks the chakra of the Sharingan(originates in the brain) to use the projected power like Limbo. He doesn't possess Yin release either perhaps that's another reason he can't use the projected power.

While one could argue the "Not powerful enough" statement, Obito did infact have one eye and was capable of using it. Why did he not gain any thing from it BEFORE and after becoming Juubi Jin.

He didn't use the Rinnegan's abilities and or doesn't know it you decide. He didn't use many powers that would've been helpful to him.

To further emphasize my point: Rinnegan are not MS so the logic behind them can't be used the same way since the Rinne's capabilities are limitless

Rinnegan powers grow yes, however no Rinnegan users use projected powers except Madara and Sasuke (both who's own sharingan became the rinnegan). And projected powers are an ability of the sharingan and MS. With the MS a users potential reaches new heights

 

[Mellanoma]

Kabuto uses a sage technique if I'm not mistaken.

Was referring to Kabuto genetically modifying his body to use KKGs.

It's not the same, anyway why not Obito managed to use a similar jutsu within his own capacity.

Of course it's plausible Obito did something similar with the MS which is a lesser stage of the Rinnegan. And the MS is hard coded as you put it.

Correct which I agree with you in regards to this. Obito using Kamui + amplified chakra to link dimensions makes sense based on Naruto's worldly physics. Not arguing that.

Rinnegan powers grow yes, however no Rinnegan users use projected powers except Madara and Sasuke (both who's own sharingan became the rinnegan). And projected powers are an ability of the sharingan and MS. With the MS a users potential reaches new heights

Obito didn't use any Rinnegan powers that doesn't mean he doesn't possess access to them. As for Nagato he had the Rinnegan and lacks the chakra of the Sharingan(originates in the brain) to use the projected power like Limbo. He doesn't possess Yin release either perhaps that's another reason he can't use the projected power.

He didn't use the Rinnegan's abilities and or doesn't know it you decide. He didn't use many powers that would've been helpful to him.

There is no manga or databook information backing the MS portion HOWEVER, I see how you came up with this. This way of thinking I agree with to an extent. However, The point im making though is the Rinnegan is under an entirely different set of rules based on the manga AND databook.

In the manga....

If someone gets a sharingan or MS then they are restricted to the abilities of that MS because those abilities are hard coded.

Rinnegan however is much different.

Madara Rinnegan:

Gave Nagato all path abilities
Gave Obito limited path abilities
Gave Madara brand new abilities

If Nagato or Obito were using Limbo then i could agree with you but to me this indicates the Rinnegan has no hard coding meaning it can't possibly base its abilities on being unlocked vs being utilized. I think it just simply gives you abilities OR you learn those abilities. Essentially it can do whatever it wants.







@Uverdore9:

I said no Rinnegan user has the Six Paths abilities Nagato used. When did I say anything about "a 7 paths ability"? Learn how to read.

This is what you stated....

No, Limbo and Ameno are seperate abilities. No one has the 6 Paths abilities other than Nagato.

I was correcting you by stating Madara and Sasuke both used path abilities(not just Nagato) while also correcting your 6 with a 7.

 

[Uverdore9]

Was referring to Kabuto genetically modifying his body to use KKGs.



Correct which I agree with you in regards to this. Obito using Kamui + amplified chakra to link dimensions makes sense based on Naruto's worldly physics. Not arguing that.





There is no manga or databook information backing the MS portion HOWEVER, I see how you came up with this. This way of thinking I agree with to an extent. However, The point im making though is the Rinnegan is under an entirely different set of rules based on the manga AND databook.

In the manga....

If someone gets a sharingan or MS then they are restricted to the abilities of that MS because those abilities are hard coded.

Rinnegan however is much different.

Madara Rinnegan:

Gave Nagato all path abilities
Gave Obito limited path abilities
Gave Madara brand new abilities

If Nagato or Obito were using Limbo then i could agree with you but to me this indicates the Rinnegan has no hard coding meaning it can't possibly base its abilities on being unlocked vs being utilized. I think it just simply gives you abilities OR you learn those abilities. Essentially it can do whatever it wants.







@Uverdore9:



This is what you stated....



I was correcting you by stating Madara and Sasuke both used path abilities(not just Nagato) while also correcting your 6 with a 7.

When did I say there were only 6 paths? Can you read? I said Nagato's Six Paths are unavailable to any other Rinnegan user. I was debunking your OP by saying Limbo and Ameno aren't combos of existing Paths, because no one has them aside from Nagato. Seventh Path is common to all users as it is the Outer Path from which erupts the Black Rods, Chain Ability and Rinne-Tensei. This Path is the supplement for the generic Rinnegan abilities.

Haven't you read any of the recent threads? Where this topic was discussed? No one has Preta. Nor any other Path. Point. Blank. Period.

Rinnegan has a generic unidirectional absorption. Whereas Nagato's is omnidirectional. That alone debunks the Konan scan and any other scan you're about to bring to oppose this fact.