The most overlooked speed feat in the entire series

[MightGai]

Lol Danzo with his eye closed like nothing, Oonoki as well. Only the fodder were surprised.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Youre just creating even more logical inconsistencies in your argument. In that case hed have just speed blitzed Danzo, or done the same in the fight against him later.

It's just common sense. When writing a series, sometimes there'll be moments that dont align with another 100% perfectly but still enhance the experience. This was one of them. Youre looking at this too much with the eyes of a fan whos looking at something at face value rather than in the mindset of how the creator intends it.

This was done to draw attention to the fact that the climax is approaching and create suspense for the viewer. And the exclamation mark doesn't always mean surprise, i can often mean recognition and realisation. None of the kage were surprised at all, it's obvious just by looking at it, if they were surprised Kishi would have drawn attention to it and made sure that the reader knew that the scene was meant to show off how he overwhelmed the kage.

If you need further evidence of this idea being used in the series just look at 8th gate Gai vs Madara, and how everybody was able to see what was happening there when Gai was supposedly meant to be moving at incredible speeds. It's not a hard concept to understand.

Also, just to humour that last point about being faster than Ay, yes he outplayed him at that moment, however it's clear that it was calculated and the sharingans precog was what enabled him to foresee the attack coming. It wasn't raw speed alone. Youre trying too hard to wank Sasuke, promoting everything that supports your argument whilst ignoring everything that doesn't.

Everything else you said is repetitious nonesens so I'll just address the bold cause clearly you didn't learn well enough from Sasuke Vs Lee.

Danzo repeatedly spammed Izanagi. That rendered a speed blitz meaningless in that fight. Plus he wasn't surprised by Sasuke sneaking into the hall. Meaning he can keep up with that levels of speed.

No, faster than Danzo to. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken him time to notice Sasuke but as you say, Sasuke never blitzed him in the battle after the aforementioned moment in the opening comment due to Izanagi.

Ay was wearing a headband that keep his hair down, and when talking to naruto he said minato is the only other person to dodge him at his fastest, so it had to be V2

Chee wasn't talking about footspeed tho. He specifically brought up mental reaction speed. So idk why you'd even bring that up.




Shee's statement is garbage because teleportation does not increase mental reaction speed. The very thing shee specifically brings up. Yet Ay says himself that minato can mentally reacto to him at his Fastest(V2), therefore its impossible for minato to be on par with his slowest(base).

I'll determine things myself when I reread. The war saga is fuzzy for me. But I recall A's fist being right in front of Naruto and Minato via flashback, then they comftably evaded. Thus showing they were mentally able to perceive the attack and then respond. Naruto with footspeed and Minato with teleportation. Minato didn't have to physically move, but he did have to control his chakra for teleportation in time. If A was too quick then Minato wouldn't have been able to react similar to Sasuke vs Lee.

The difference with Sasuke Vs A is that he has eyes that could see his movements ahead of time and reacted according, but as his battle with Lee taught us, even if he can see it's useless if his body can't react in time.

All of them reacted, thus all of them were faster. Naruto was definitively faster and footspeed while Minato and Sasuke were in reaction speed at the very least.

Lol Danzo with his eye closed like nothing, Oonoki as well. Only the fodder were surprised.

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Which is why Oonoki was specifially shown with 2 exclamation points in the manga?

 

[Uverdore9]

Everything else you said is repetitious nonesens so I'll just address the bold cause clearly you didn't learn well enough from Sasuke Vs Lee.



No, faster than Danzo to. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken him time to notice Sasuke but as you say, Sasuke never blitzed him in the battle after the aforementioned moment in the opening comment due to Izanagi.



I'll determine things myself when I reread. The war saga is fuzzy for me. But I recall A's fist being right in front of Naruto and Minato via flashback, then they comftably evaded. Thus showing they were mentally able to perceive the attack and then respond. Naruto with footspeed and Minato with teleportation. Minato didn't have to physically move, but he did have to control his chakra for teleportation in time. If A was too quick then Minato wouldn't have been able to react similar to Sasuke vs Lee.

The difference with Sasuke Vs A is that he has eyes that could see his movements ahead of time and reacted according, but as his battle with Lee taught us, even if he can see it's useless if his body can't react in time.

All of them reacted, thus all of them were faster. Naruto was definitively faster and footspeed while Minato and Sasuke were in reaction speed at the very least.

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Which is why Oonoki was specifially shown with 2 exclamation points in the manga?

But Danzo did not contain exclamation marks.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

But Danzo did not contain exclamation marks.

Yeah, he had his eyes closed earlier like you said but there's no evidence of him being fast enough to contend with Sasuke who outdid the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed. On the contrary, Susano'o arrows were so quick that Danzo couldn't even weave hand seals in time. Let alone dodge.

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[Uverdore9]

Yeah, he had his eyes closed earlier like you said but there's no evidence of him being fast enough to contend with Sasuke who outdid the Raikage's Lightning enhanced speed. On the contrary, Susano'o arrows were so quick that Danzo couldn't even weave hand seals in time. Let alone dodge.

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Do you think Susano arrow speed is correlated to the user's physical speed?

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Do you think Susano arrow speed is correlated to the user's physical speed?

Yes, in Sasuke's case. Chakra enhanced arrow, & chakra enhanced speed. The former Danzo couldn't physically evade in time and the latter non of the Kages could see, let alone evade.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

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Bee had the Hachibi save him otherwise Genjutsu would neg him. The Raikage had to power up to his strongest mode and sacrafice a limb to potentially touch/harm Sasuke with Gaara intervening on the second strike. He was only willing to go so far because he had a medic ninja on his side who could heal him if needed.

Although Shee was easily knocked out by Sasuke's Genjutsu and needed Darui to wake him up and his assisstance to even stand. Whereas Sasuke didn't cast Genjutsu on the Raikage when they made obvious eye contact.

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Guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without receiving any hits/damage. And yes, the Tsuchikage negged an even more weakened Sasuke who didn't care about him as he was only after Danzo who already ran away.

Wrong! Sasuke did try to cast Genjutsu on the raikage when they made eye contact and then the Raikage told him that a mere sharingan is not enough to stop him.

This was right after C got caught by the way and the raikage had just knocked out Jugo.

Even when Madara caught the Raikage in a genjutsu he was so surprised and couldn't believe he fell to 'a mere sharingan illusion'.

The Raikage is largely immune to genjutsu these are manga facts. Sasuke tried and failed, then resorted to amateresu and failed again.

Madara plot no jutsu captured Ay in a genjutsu.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Wrong! Sasuke did try to cast Genjutsu on the raikage when they made eye contact and then the Raikage told him that a mere sharingan is not enough to stop him.

This was right after C got caught by the way and the raikage had just knocked out Jugo.

Even when Madara caught the Raikage in a genjutsu he was so surprised and couldn't believe he fell to 'a mere sharingan illusion'.

The Raikage is largely immune to genjutsu these are manga facts. Sasuke tried and failed, then resorted to amateresu and failed again.

Madara plot no jutsu captured Ay in a genjutsu.

Wrong, once they discovered Shee was a sensor ninja, the team decided to take him down first.

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Remember Chiyo's advice against Sharingan users?

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Sasuke>Raikage. 1v1 the latter easily loses. Sharingan Genjutsu itself gets it done, let alone the Mangekyo which could even control the Kyuubi.

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You have no proof that the Raikage has greater resistance than the Kyuubi.

Also, the Raikage was so arrogant that he believed Madara couldn't defeat him with Genjutsu..

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[jimbobbity]

Everything else you said is repetitious nonesens so I'll just address the bold cause clearly you didn't learn well enough from Sasuke Vs Lee.



No, faster than Danzo to. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken him time to notice Sasuke but as you say, Sasuke never blitzed him in the battle after the aforementioned moment in the opening comment due to Izanagi.



I'll determine things myself when I reread. The war saga is fuzzy for me. But I recall A's fist being right in front of Naruto and Minato via flashback, then they comftably evaded. Thus showing they were mentally able to perceive the attack and then respond. Naruto with footspeed and Minato with teleportation. Minato didn't have to physically move, but he did have to control his chakra for teleportation in time. If A was too quick then Minato wouldn't have been able to react similar to Sasuke vs Lee.

The difference with Sasuke Vs A is that he has eyes that could see his movements ahead of time and reacted according, but as his battle with Lee taught us, even if he can see it's useless if his body can't react in time.

All of them reacted, thus all of them were faster. Naruto was definitively faster and footspeed while Minato and Sasuke were in reaction speed at the very least.

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Which is why Oonoki was specifially shown with 2 exclamation points in the manga?

The Sharingan before the 3rd tomoe just makes it easier to see movements clearly. It's the 3rd tomoe that grants precog (knowing the enemy's next move before they've done it due to muscle movement, which Sasuke didn't have vs Lee). What Im saying is that Sasuke reacted before it even happened, not that he reacted AS it happened. That's why the sharingan alone was given a panel literally right before he dodged it too.

Also, foot speed and reactive speed are far different things. If Sasuke was faster that Ay than there would have been many times during the fight where he wasn't overwhelmed by Ays raw speed and needed to resort to the Susanoo. It's really not that hard to understand.

You'll probably ignore this part too, but using scan to create multiple theories and head canons is just plain absurd anyway, for many obvious reasons. Let's just agree to disagree rather than waste time arguing over this (plus cos im too lazy to).

 

[MightGai]

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Which is why Oonoki was specifially shown with 2 exclamation points in the manga?

Oh, so Choujiro, with only 1 exclamation point was less surprised than the tsuchikage, which didn't even bother to move from his chair (nevermind the face of Akatsuchi not giving a **** about it).

Please.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

don't recall anyone other than that scrub from the yamanaka clan being surprised. nice try fanboy

Since your memory is so poor you could have just checked back.

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Oh, so Choujiro, with only 1 exclamation point was less surprised than the tsuchikage, which didn't even bother to move from his chair (nevermind the face of Akatsuchi not giving a **** about it).

Please.

Wow, pay better attention. The speech bubble is pointing toward both of them. Besides whoever is more surprised than the other is irrelavent to the fact that they were all surprised despite being on full alert.

But Danzo did not contain exclamation marks.

On second thought. Despite having his eyes closed he was obviously paying attention to Sasuke's arrival considering he immediately looked at him when his location was revealed. If he noticed his location before everyone else then he would have looked at him before everyone else.

 

[MightGai]

Wow, pay better attention. The speech bubble is pointing toward both of them. Besides whoever is more surprised than the other is irrelavent to the fact that they were all surprised despite being on full alert.

I know, doesn't invalidate the IDGAF face, neither does invalidate that a square above everyone is sit on their asses arround the table without any worries.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I know, doesn't invalidate the IDGAF face, neither does invalidate that a square above everyone is sit on their asses arround the table without any worries.

You really don't want to acknowledge this incredible speed feat.

 

[MightGai]

You really don't want to acknowledge this incredible speed that.

Not even manga characters acknowledged that as a speed feat, why should I?

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Not even manga characters acknowledged that as a speed feat, why should I?

Tobi called/compared it a teleportation jutsu. Even warned deidara hes to fast for him. This was all before the summit

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Sasuke could counter semi lighting cloak raikage in base form.....

Just going back to part one for you since you have no basic naruto knowledge when sasuke vs lee.. lee told sasuke even if you can see my movements your body isnt fast enough to react to them...

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Not even manga characters acknowledged that as a speed feat, why should I?

They did acknowledge it, hence the surprise......they were told that he was there yet still didn't see him until his exact location was pointed out by the Sensor. Then when they laid their eyes on him they were all surprised that he was above them.

Again, despite being on full alert, no one visually saw him enter the room, let alone reach the ceiling and cut the flags. Sasuke literally had to wait for them to notice him. And this wasn't even his top speed. On top of being worn down from using the Mangekyo, he didn't even break a sweat.

To top it off, once Mifune did see him he immediately attacked while Sasuke was looking at Danzo, yet Sasuke easily countered. Not only pulling out his sword to block his attack, but also conjuring lightning. Then during the war we learn that Mifune is famed for his "Iai" - quick slash.

 

[MightGai]

Tobi called/compared it a teleportation jutsu. Even warned deidara hes to fast for him. This was all before the summit

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Sasuke could counter semi lighting cloak raikage in base form.....

Just going back to part one for you since you have no basic naruto knowledge when sasuke vs lee.. lee told sasuke even if you can see my movements your body isnt fast enough to react to them...

Are we still talking about the kage summit "feat"?

Also, Tobi was just being sarcastic because Sasuke just phased through him (meaning Tobi was faster than him, else he would had been hit), at that point he could have killed Sasuke blindfolded if he wanted.

No idea why you're bringing other stuff into the discussion if the "feat" was in the kage summit. Guess you need to bring other stuff into the mix since you realized op is just fanfic.

They did acknowledge it, hence the surprise......they were told that he was there yet still didn't see him until his exact location was pointed out by the Sensor. Then when they laid their eyes on him they were all surprised that he was above them.

Again, despite being on full alert, no one visually saw him enter the room, let alone reach the ceiling and cut the flags. Sasuke literally had to wait for them to notice him. And this wasn't even his top speed. On top of being worn down from using the Mangekyo, he didn't even break a sweat.

To top it off, once Mifune did see him he immediately attacked while Sasuke was looking at Danzo, yet Sasuke easily countered. Not only pulling out his sword to block his attack, but also conjuring lightning. Then during the war we learn that Mifune is famed for his "Iai" - quick slash.

Acknowledging a speed feat is saying "he's fast" or being hit without reaction whatsoever, no one was surprised at the kage summit even after the flags were cut, that's why they didn't even bother to move from their seats, with Danzo and his eyes closed (and by no means him being the fastest in the room).

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While we're using !! signs as surprise / speed feats acknowledges, I guess Sasuke was overwhelmed by Mifune's speed .....

Seriously, it's not like Sasuke is a secondary character or anything , why use this worthless example as a speed feat? Even cutting Madara after he got sage powers is a better example than this.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Are we still talking about the kage summit "feat"?

Also, Tobi was just being sarcastic because Sasuke just phased through him (meaning Tobi was faster than him, else he would had been hit), at that point he could have killed Sasuke blindfolded if he wanted.

No idea why you're bringing other stuff into the discussion if the "feat" was in the kage summit. Guess you need to bring other stuff into the mix since you realized op is just fanfic.

Now you're downplaying the Deidara battle. Deidara admitted that Tobi was right. That Sasuke was too fast.

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Acknowledging a speed feat is saying "he's fast" or being hit without reaction whatsoever, no one was surprised at the kage summit even after the flags were cut, that's why they didn't even bother to move from their seats, with Danzo and his eyes closed (and by no means him being the fastest in the room).

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While we're using !! signs as surprise / speed feats acknowledges, I guess Sasuke was overwhelmed by Mifune's speed .....

Seriously, it's not like Sasuke is a secondary character or anything , why use this worthless example as a speed feat? Even cutting Madara after he got sage powers is a better example than this.

Nonesense. Sasuke's attention was clearly on Danzo, so when Mifune suddenly attacked he was surprised. To say he was overwhelmed by his speed is ridiculous given we obviously saw him counter with ease. Pulling his sword out and even Lightning. Now that i think about it, that's yet another impressive speed feat given Sasuke did all that casually whilst Mifune was right infront of him in the midst of attacking.

@Bold

Likewise, everyone's attention was on Sasuke who was stated to be there, yet they couldn't even see him enter the room let alone cut the flags. A Sensor had to point out his location. Unlike Sasuke with Danzo & Mifune, they were not focused on anything else. Yet were still surprised.

Your entire point was counter-productive. And cocky Danzo having his eyes closed changes nothing. Once he was certain of Sasuke's location he opened then. Get it? If he was aware of him any other time then he would have opened them.

Also, Danzo believed Tobi was Madara, yet was still confident that he could handle him, plus Sasuke and Karin. By your logic that means he was significantly stronger than them since he wasn't worried.

 

[MightGai]

Now you're downplaying the Deidara battle. Deidara admitted that Tobi was right. That Sasuke was too fast.

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Nonesense. Sasuke's attention was clearly on Danzo, so when Mifune suddenly attacked he was surprised. To say he was overwhelmed by his speed is ridiculous given we obviously saw him counter with ease. Pulling his sword out and even Lightning. Now that i think about it, that's yet another impressive speed feat given Sasuke did all that casually whilst Mifune was right infront of him in the midst of attacking.

@Bold

Likewise, everyone's attention was on Sasuke who was stated to be there, yet they couldn't even see him enter the room let alone cut the flags. A Sensor had to point out his location. Unlike Sasuke with Danzo & Mifune, they were not focused on anything else. Yet were still surprised.

Your entire point was counter-productive. And cocky Danzo having his eyes closed changes nothing. Once he was certain of Sasuke's location he opened then. Get it? If he was aware of him any other time then he would have opened them.

Also, Danzo believed Tobi was Madara, yet was still confident that he could handle him, plus Sasuke and Karin. By your logic that means he was significantly stronger than them since he wasn't worried.

Nope, I'm actually asking if we're still talking about op and the kage summit. As I said, he has some actual speed feats, the kage summit aint one of them, that's why you're trying to bring some other examples into the table, conceding that nobody cared when he cut the flags.

Irrelevant, if he was surprised, it was due to Mifune speed. Clearly if you can't see someone, your attention is not on them. Also, in case I was too subtle, I'm not saying that Sasuke was surprised by his speed, I'm just saying that an exclamation mark is not an acknowledge of a speed feat, as you just explained in my favor with Mifune and Sasuke. Thanks

Yes, he opened them because Danzo isn't blind ... again, he just didn't care about Sasuke's speed at all in the summit. The fact that he didn't even bother to look surprised, open his eyes or whatever is a clear sign that he wasn't surprised at all.

Unrelated. Confidence and surprise are not mutually exclusive. He may be confident that he could take all of them with Mokuton, Izanagi or whatever, which doesn't mean that in the battle itself he couldn't be surprised by certain facts. As OP is about the kage summit, seeing that he didn't even bother to acknowledge Sasuke after his location was made apparent, that's not a speed feat at all.

doesnt matter , no way sasuke got slower from the time between the deidara fight to kage summit or from the raikage fight to entering the kage meetingg....

like i said tobi was warning deidara , tobi no diff negated sasuke base attack , he was assessing sasuke for deidara, cmon man. thats why deidara played the distance game like a bitch....

only fan fic here is your bias love for your delusional opinion. youre that kid who reads in monotone, and watches english dub cuz reading sub is to hard for you. learn the game or stop being salty, base ms sasuke base speed is equal to the raikages. who is the fastest ninja in the world before the war arc.....

Weren't you or the other one saying that he was tired and whatever from the fight before? :lol:

No, Tobi was playing with Sasuke, that's the Tobi persona. He didn't take him seriously at all, even he was making jokes when he thought deidara died in the explosion because that's his personality. And Deidara is a long range fighter, doesn't matter who he fights with cause that's his skillset, attacking with explosives from afar. That's like criticizing Gai for not using long range jutsus ...

Lovely how you resort to insults and other examples cause pretty much you two conceded that the summit example was just a wet dream and now need to bring deidara and raikage's examples into the mix. Don't stop on my account though, been a while since I was here and need some good laughs from people not willing to take the L's :lol:

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Nope, I'm actually asking if we're still talking about op and the kage summit. As I said, he has some actual speed feats, the kage summit aint one of them, that's why you're trying to bring some other examples into the table, conceding that nobody cared when he cut the flags.

Irrelevant, if he was surprised, it was due to Mifune speed. Clearly if you can't see someone, your attention is not on them. Also, in case I was too subtle, I'm not saying that Sasuke was surprised by his speed, I'm just saying that an exclamation mark is not an acknowledge of a speed feat, as you just explained in my favor with Mifune and Sasuke. Thanks

Yes, he opened them because Danzo isn't blind ... again, he just didn't care about Sasuke's speed at all in the summit. The fact that he didn't even bother to look surprised, open his eyes or whatever is a clear sign that he wasn't surprised at all.

Unrelated. Confidence and surprise are not mutually exclusive. He may be confident that he could take all of them with Mokuton, Izanagi or whatever, which doesn't mean that in the battle itself he couldn't be surprised by certain facts. As OP is about the kage summit, seeing that he didn't even bother to acknowledge Sasuke after his location was made apparent, that's not a speed feat at all.




Weren't you or the other one saying that he was tired and whatever from the fight before? :lol:

No, Tobi was playing with Sasuke, that's the Tobi persona. He didn't take him seriously at all, even he was making jokes when he thought deidara died in the explosion because that's his personality. And Deidara is a long range fighter, doesn't matter who he fights with cause that's his skillset, attacking with explosives from afar. That's like criticizing Gai for not using long range jutsus ...

Lovely how you resort to insults and other examples cause pretty much you two conceded that the summit example was just a wet dream and now need to bring deidara and raikage's examples into the mix. Don't stop on my account though, been a while since I was here and need some good laughs from people not willing to take the L's :lol:

Poor excuses one after another. Everyone was focused on Sasuke's arrival yet didn't even notice that he made it to the ceiling, cut all the flags, and was standing there looking at Danzo til a Sensor nin pointed out his location. Yes this was a speed feat. A damn good one. One of the best. They were surprised by his speed, whereas Sasuke was only surprised that Mifune attacked him. All you did was ignore context and act like the situation was the same due to Sasuke getting surprised.

Unlike them, Sasuke was alone. He didn't have several people on his side including a Sensor nin tracking Mifune's chakra, then alerting him of his arrival yet still not seeing him til the Sensor told him Mifune's exact location. If the situations were the same then Sasuke would have then gotten hit given Mifune didn't wait til Sasuke noticed him. He tried attacking him off guard unlike Sasuke with Danzo which brings up yet another point i haven't thought about til now.

What if Sasuke attacked Danzo before the Sensor pointed out his location? Like Extending Chidori or casting Amaterasu? Danzo would be dead given he didn't activate Izanagi. This strengthens my "Sasuke could have begged Danzo if he didn't want to question him about Itachi" thread.

Also, you're trying to negate the entire scene because 1 person wasn't surprised as if everyone else didn't matter.