I Just Realized Nagato The Most Vesatile Ninja

[Retsu]

From what we've seen yes he is. Animal path and asura path alone have way more variety than what sauce has shown.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

The anime used fillers in the VoTe fight because Sasuke certainly didn't use Kirin either. Sasuke used chibaku tensei but just so you know that Shinra Tensei/Bansho Tenin is not only Tendo's power but it's magnetic force not gravity force. Sasuke used no such thing.
Shinra tensei/Bansho tenin are both the same power being used in different direction, chibaku tensei is not one of those 6 powers, it's just a rinnegan technique that any rinnegan user is able to use.
So right now Sasuke is 0/6 right now when it comes to pain powers. King of Hades I should add is a hiden/secret art according to the 4th fan translated databook, so Sasuke won't be able to use someone else's hiden. Shurado I mentioned before for good reasons and his absorption power absorbs chakra not ninjutsus so it's clearly not nagato's gakido.

Why want these powers to be unique to him? Madara is why Nagato can use them who bestowed him the ocular power and he's the awakener of the eye. It's inevitable Madara will have the most advantages & capabilities/mastery over said eye. And the one thing the eye awakeners have in common is that they retain an ability specific to them like Limbo and Amenotejikara, and Limbo should have been accessed by Nagato had he been genetically fit for it or been its true awakener, but he wasn't, clarifying to why he was suffering from perennial usage while Sasuke and Madara show no such symptoms. Though even if Nagato somehow created these techniques, it cannot be said Madara and Sasuke cannot, as the eye's true wielders, and as such, you can't rule them out as inept, especially Sasuke.

On the "forces" you kind of have me confused. You would clarify my misunderstanding better if you used examples specifying what Nagato did and Sasuke doesn't that weren't analogous/dissimilar to the point an analogy cannot be made. As far as to common knowledge, Sasuke has done what Nagato has with deva path but rather not on the same abusive level.

I think he's 2/6 if not 3/6. He can absorb ninjutsu and has complete control over his deva abilities. Chakra and ninjutsu are interchangeable, ninjutsu is made out of chakra, if you can absorb chakra so can you absorb ninjutsu as ninjutsu is chakra taken another elemental/defferent form. It wouldn't be shrewd separating the two when they're promulgated as one.

You mentioned Sasuke carrying around a summoning scroll as a reason for him not being capable of using the Rinnegan to summon. The summoning scroll is from my knowledge specifically for storing weapons like the one he used against Momoshiki, not for animal summoning. I suggest waiting, than arguing over it, to be fair to ourselves, though I wouldn't rule out the possibility, it's too early to tell.

Sasuke can't absorb ninjutsus and after Madara lost his edo eyes he wasn't able to absorb ninjutsus either. According to kabuto he modified Madara's edo rinnegan powers.
Either way showing complete control over chibaku tensei shows complete control over the rinnegan, somethiing both madara and Sasuke showed but that doesn't mean he gains nagato's abilities.
Everyone is gonna show something different like Momoshiki did with his rinnegan powers

I can agree, but the fuckery to this is, they aren't Nagato's. More like techniques inherent to it, and accessed through mastery over the eye, akin to Sharingan powers that are accessed over prolonged usage.

 

[00Rinne]

Given Nagato credit for using the Rinne better than any1 is crazy..

You know better than that No!?.. Madara & Sasuke who hasn't done half of what he did with it is/are far superior to that Fodda with a barrowed doujtsu..

Don't give any1 credit that isn't Uchiha with the Rinne or butthurt will come at you from all directions..

Although good thread Deva!..

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

How is he still disagreeing? Obito confirms it right there as to why he didn't use Pain's jutsu's and also semi confirming they may all be self teachable and not secret techniques.

Obito didn’t say anything. What are you talking about? Obito’s Pain Powers were biju kekkai genkai.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Naruto x Hunter I don't want to argue with you or anything but what does this have to do with using nagato's pain powers?
Not sure why you post the Madara with Obito thing because Madara said that he'll teach obito six path jutsu using a black rod not the rinnegan.
Rinne jutsu≠Six path jutsus, the manga's never called pain's jutsus six path jutsus. People just speculated that's what Madara is talking about.

I already said that Sasuke has the absorption powers too.

Nagato had Madara's eyes, and Madara stated that he would teach Obito the Path abilities. The same abilities Pain used. The same abilities Konan said each Rinnegan user has. The same same abilities Kakashi and Gai expected Tobi to use. The same abilities Tobi acknowledged that he didn't use to conserve chakra. To claim only Nagato has those abilities is false.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Why want these powers to be unique to him? Madara is why Nagato can use them who bestowed him the ocular power and he's the awakener of the eye. It's inevitable Madara will have the most advantages & capabilities/mastery over said eye. And the one thing the eye awakeners have in common is that they retain an ability specific to them like Limbo and Amenotejikara, and Limbo should have been accessed by Nagato had he been genetically fit for it or been its true awakener, but he wasn't, clarifying to why he was suffering from perennial usage while Sasuke and Madara show no such symptoms. Though even if Nagato somehow created these techniques, it cannot be said Madara and Sasuke cannot, as the eye's true wielders, and as such, you can't rule them out as inept, especially Sasuke.

I never said that Madara did not master his rinnegan eye, I just said that Nagato use those eyes to create a variety of jutsu. Like the six undead body shared vision technique was created by Nagato for his lack of mobility.
You’re treating the rinnegan like a sharingan, that’s you biggest problem here and if we use sharingan logic then Pain and Obito should be able to use Limbo Hengoku regardless of whatever speculation you think Nagato being unfit to use because Kakashi was unfit to use kamui yet he used it despite not being able to use other kamui variants until the war arc.
Just know that Madara and Sasuke mastered their eyes better than Nagato. Momoshiki is another rinnegan user yet you don’t see him using Nagato’s techniques

On the "forces" you kind of have me confused. You would clarify my misunderstanding better if you used examples specifying what Nagato did and Sasuke doesn't that weren't analogous/dissimilar to the point an analogy cannot be made. As far as to common knowledge, Sasuke has done what Nagato has with deva path but rather not on the same abusive level.

There are 4 forces in the world. 1 is gravity 2 is magnetic 3 is weak force and 4 is strong force.
What nagato’s Tendo power is to manipulate the magnetic force:

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Just like that cloud Edo tensei cloud ninja:

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He attracts and repel with magnetic forces but the only difference is that pain’s rinnegan fixates on a target by vision while Toroi needs to transfer it by ninja weapons.

Chibaku tensei is gravitational force

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I think he's 2/6 if not 3/6. He can absorb ninjutsu and has complete control over his deva abilities. Chakra and ninjutsu are interchangeable, ninjutsu is made out of chakra, if you can absorb chakra so can you absorb ninjutsu as ninjutsu is chakra taken another elemental/defferent form. It wouldn't be shrewd separating the two when they're promulgated as one.

None of them have Tendo’s powers and so far he’s only absorb chakra not ninjutsu so it’s not Gakido but it is another form of Rinne absoprtion jutsu
Gakido comes with a barrier around the whole body:

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No one's down that before as wekk as no one used Tendo's magnetic powers.

You mentioned Sasuke carrying around a summoning scroll as a reason for him not being capable of using the Rinnegan to summon. The summoning scroll is from my knowledge specifically for storing weapons like the one he used against Momoshiki, not for animal summoning. I suggest waiting, than arguing over it, to be fair to ourselves, though I wouldn't rule out the possibility, it's too early to tell.

I said it was anime and i didn’t mean for animal summoning purposes it’s for shurado. Shurado doesn’t automatically gives you advance weapontry yet Sasuke needed a summing scroll in the anime. Anime is hardly canon anyways so I won’t use it.

I can agree, but the fuckery to this is, they aren't Nagato's. More like techniques inherent to it, and accessed through mastery over the eye, akin to Sharingan powers that are accessed over prolonged usage.

You can just read the rest above

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Nagato had Madara's eyes, and Madara stated that he would teach Obito the Path abilities.

Those are two total different abilities and pain’s uses the rinnegan while Madara said that the six path jutsus come from the black rods.
Pain’s jutsu are called rinne ningendo, Rinne Shurado, etc. Rinne jutsu.
Six path jutsu isn’t rinnegan related, it was assumed to be.

The same abilities Pain used. The same abilities Konan said each Rinnegan user has. The same same abilities Kakashi and Gai expected Tobi to use. The same abilities Tobi acknowledged that he didn't use to conserve chakra. To claim only Nagato has those abilities is false.

Wrong. Obito never claimed to use it and Konan never said six path jutsus either. Don’t know where you’re getting that from.

 

[Styles]

2018 and people still think Nagato is the only one with the six paths when Obito confirmed being able to use them by Kakashi and Obito himself was gonna use human path on Yamato.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

2018 and people still think Nagato is the only one with the six paths when Obito confirmed being able to use them by Kakashi and Obito himself was gonna use human path on Yamato.

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Obito said that he’s able to use Rinne jutsus, he didn’t say anything about six path jutsu. Rinne ningendo is the name of the power not six path jutsu ningendo.
Ningendo doesn’t require black rods to use.

 

[Styles]

Obito said that he’s able to use Rinne jutsus, he didn’t say anything about six path jutsu. Rinne ningendo is the name of the power not six path jutsu ningendo.
Ningendo doesn’t require black rods to use.

human path = a six path a pain power Obito was gonna use human path = Obito was gonna use a six paths of pain power = six paths technique.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

human path = a six path a pain power Obito was gonna use human path = Obito was gonna use a six paths of pain power

This is right

six paths technique.

This is wrong.

The jutsu that come strictly from the rinnegan are not called six path jutsu. Madara specifically said that you use black rods out of these jutsu which we’ve seen 3 of already.

The jutsu coming from the rinnegan are called Rinne. There’s Rinne Tensei, Rinne Ningendo, Rinne Shurado, Rinne etc.
Do you understand now? Six path jutsus have nothing to do with the rinnegan, only rods.

It’s like saying that Uchiha Fireball jutsu or Uchiha style jutsu are the same as a mangekyo firestyle jutsu.

 

[iConquer]

Sure but, He ain't touching Obito with 2 MS only.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I never said that Madara did not master his rinnegan eye, I just said that Nagato use those eyes to create a variety of jutsu. Like the six undead body shared vision technique was created by Nagato for his lack of mobility.

Where does he confirm to have created them? The shared vision isn't even a technique for all we know. It naturally stems from the Pain's possessing Rinnegan connected to one user or controlled by that user to which they are connected. Nagato never weaved any signs for it or been shown kneading chakra for it and techniques or jutsu's not kekkei genkai or pre installed would naturally be preceded by the weaving of hands or chakra kneading.

You’re treating the rinnegan like a sharingan, that’s you biggest problem here and if we use sharingan logic then Pain and Obito should be able to use Limbo Hengoku regardless of whatever speculation you think Nagato being unfit to use because Kakashi was unfit to use kamui yet he used it despite not being able to use other kamui variants until the war arc.

I am just saying they're both tools that which provide the user with pre installed abilities upon prolonged use. I am not saying they're the same in all respects, such as Sharingan not withholding certain abilities when used by a foreign owner.

Nagato was unfit for the Rinnegan or he wouldn't have ended up emaciated from prolonged use. Konan's constant warnings are an indication of how much a detriment the eyes are to a foreign owner especially one of not Uchiha blood.

Just know that Madara and Sasuke mastered their eyes better than Nagato. Momoshiki is another rinnegan user yet you don’t see him using Nagato’s techniques

I think that's because he's just incompetent. Sasuke and Madara are geniuses even in their own clan. I mean it took Sasuke no longer than a few hours before using almost half of the Rinnegan's pre installed abilities.

There are 4 forces in the world. 1 is gravity 2 is magnetic 3 is weak force and 4 is strong force.
What nagato’s Tendo power is to manipulate the magnetic force:

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Just like that cloud Edo tensei cloud ninja:

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He attracts and repel with magnetic forces but the only difference is that pain’s rinnegan fixates on a target by vision while Toroi needs to transfer it by ninja weapons.

This naming of things kind of has me confused despite your attempt at educating me on this.

I do understand that Sasuke hasn't used every ability of the Rinnegan or one's exclusively shown by Nagato, but I still don't get where you're disproving that Sasuke hasn't really shown anything that deva path didn't use. Repelling a target is just as easy as attracting it, and Sasuke attracted Naruto in their VoTE 2 fight and showed to be able to use Chibaku Tensei better than Nagato could despite having just awakened the eye.

Chibaku tensei is gravitational force

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Maybe later.

None of them have Tendo’s powers and so far he’s only absorb chakra not ninjutsu so it’s not Gakido but it is another form of Rinne absoprtion jutsu

Tendo is deva path? How many techniques can he even use? I thought it's just pulling and repelling and Chibaku Tensei. What else did he show?

Gakido comes with a barrier around the whole body:

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No one's down that before as wekk as no one used Tendo's magnetic powers.

That could be because Nagato had had Rinnegan all his life and had found ways to exploit or cover up the weaknesses. Absorbing from just the hand does leave you vulnerable to your opponent and risk getting hit from behind or any subsequent opening.

I said it was anime and i didn’t mean for animal summoning purposes it’s for shurado. Shurado doesn’t automatically gives you advance weapontry yet Sasuke needed a summing scroll in the anime.

What is shurado? Aren't there English version for them? It would help greatly if you used the English version(s).

 

[Styles]

This is right



This is wrong.

The jutsu that come strictly from the rinnegan are not called six path jutsu. Madara specifically said that you use black rods out of these jutsu which we’ve seen 3 of already.

The jutsu coming from the rinnegan are called Rinne. There’s Rinne Tensei, Rinne Ningendo, Rinne Shurado, Rinne etc.
Do you understand now? Six path jutsus have nothing to do with the rinnegan, only rods.

It’s like saying that Uchiha Fireball jutsu or Uchiha style jutsu are the same as a mangekyo firestyle jutsu.

What proof is the last claim on? Other than Rinne Tensei no other Rinnegan technique has been Rinne anything and have been called by the exact name that it’s stated as.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Where does he confirm to have created them? The shared vision isn't even a technique for all we know. It naturally stems from the Pain's possessing Rinnegan connected to one user or controlled by that user to which they are connected. Nagato never weaved any signs for it or been shown kneading chakra for it and techniques or jutsu's not kekkei genkai or pre installed would naturally be preceded by the weaving of hands or chakra kneading.

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I am just saying they're both tools that which provide the user with pre installed abilities upon prolonged use. I am not saying they're the same in all respects, such as Sharingan not withholding certain abilities when used by a foreign owner.

Nagato was unfit for the Rinnegan or he wouldn't have ended up emaciated from prolonged use. Konan's constant warnings are an indication of how much a detriment the eyes are to a foreign owner especially one of not Uchiha blood.

That would be chibaku tensei and controlling life and death

I think that's because he's just incompetent. Sasuke and Madara are geniuses even in their own clan. I mean it took Sasuke no longer than a few hours before using almost half of the Rinnegan's pre installed abilities.

How can Momoshiki be incompetent of his own clans doujutsu? Uchiha's derive from the Ohtutsuki clan so how is your opinion of Uchiha's being better than an Ohtutsuki in their own doujutsu a valid reason? Momoshiki showed different jutsus and so did Sasuke, so there's nothing incompetent here.

I do understand that Sasuke hasn't used every ability of the Rinnegan or one's exclusively shown by Nagato, but I still don't get where you're disproving that Sasuke hasn't really shown anything that deva path didn't use. Repelling a target is just as easy as attracting it, and Sasuke attracted Naruto in their VoTE 2 fight and showed to be able to use Chibaku Tensei better than Nagato could despite having just awakened the eye.

Chibaku tensei isn't Tendo (yes tendo is deva as written in viz), each Pain only has one power each but Chibaku tensei is just one of those jutsu Nagato used to direct his other abilities.
Like the Tendo pain summoned gedo mazo but that doesn't mean that it's Tedno/Deva power.

Maybe later.

Alright just know that magnetic forces need a charge for it to be used and gravitational forces only pull by distorting space curvature.

Tendo is deva path? How many techniques can he even use? I thought it's just pulling and repelling and Chibaku Tensei. What else did he show?

It's used rainmaker jutsu, astral projection jutsu, and gedo mazo but that doesn't mean it's a Pain power. Just like chibaku tensei.

That could be because Nagato had had Rinnegan all his life and had found ways to exploit or cover up the weaknesses. Absorbing from just the hand does leave you vulnerable to your opponent and risk getting hit from behind or any subsequent opening.

What is shurado? Aren't there English version for them? It would help greatly if you used the English version(s).

Well maybe Sasuke can create his own but as far as the manga goes hir rinne absorption jutsu is not Gakido.
Shurado is Asura path.

Ever term I'm using is the offical viz translation because other translations such as *********** and mangapanda/reader are wrong. They usually confuse people because they're done by fans not kishi himself.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What proof is the last claim on? Other than Rinne Tensei no other Rinnegan technique has been Rinne anything and have been called by the exact name that it’s stated as.

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The rinnegan jutsus have never been named six path jutsu.

 

[Styles]

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The rinnegan jutsus have never been named six path jutsu.

Rinne is just the name of the Rinnegan(tho I admit there is something other than Rinne Tensei). Konan kakashi Gai Naruto etc all call it by the actual name of the path.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Rinne is just the name of the Rinnegan(tho I admit there is something other than Rinne Tensei). Konan kakashi Gai Naruto etc all call it by the actual name of the path.

Look at the raw text and you'll find out that it says rinne not rinnegan. Even Madara said the power of rinne during the infinite tsukyomi.
Konan, Kakashi, and Gai never said paths in their lives before. We've dispute this before and they all call it

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[Naruto X Hunter]

Those are two total different abilities and pain’s uses the rinnegan while Madara said that the six path jutsus come from the black rods.
Pain’s jutsu are called rinne ningendo, Rinne Shurado, etc. Rinne jutsu.
Six path jutsu isn’t rinnegan related, it was assumed to be.



Wrong. Obito never claimed to use it and Konan never said six path jutsus either. Don’t know where you’re getting that from.

Madara, Konan, & Obito were obviously referring to the Jutsu Nagato used. Obito acknowledged that Kakashi was right in thinking he didn't use them to conserve chakra because he was controlling all the Edo Jins.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Madara, Konan, & Obito were obviously referring to the Jutsu Nagato used. Obito acknowledged that Kakashi was right in thinking he didn't use them to conserve chakra because he was controlling all the Edo Jins.

Konan has never said six path jutsus

Madara and Obito weren’t obviously referring to a jutsu that they never seen before. Obito said Rinne ninegendo is what Obito said, he never mention anything about a six path jutsu.

If you want to know what the six path jutsus are then I’ll show you but as far as manga goes Rinne jutsus are NOT six path jutsu.
Since both you and Styles don’t want to bother with the pages I sent you guys for facts then there’s nothing I can say.

You guys just keep assuming