I dont care how powerful y'all think MS Sasuke is

[Megax Rocker7]

MS Sasuke is on the same level as KCM Naruto, people just keep using examples of Sasuke still getting used to his new techniques to downplay him to SM Naruto level.

I don't know if Sasuke wins, but KCM Naruto is not walking away unscathed.

 

[Mellanoma]

KCM Naruto was very broken due to the EXTREMELY Durable and powerful clones.

IF Naruto created 10 KCM Manga broken clones + himself against MS sasuke. Sasuke would definitely lose.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

KCM Naruto was very broken due to the EXTREMELY Durable and powerful clones.

IF Naruto created 10 KCM Manga broken clones + himself against MS sasuke. Sasuke would definitely lose.

I hope you realize that Ms Sasuke can

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and he beat a perfect jinchuuriki?

 

[Mellanoma]

I hope you realize that Ms Sasuke can

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and he beat a perfect jinchuuriki?

Like I said, the early War KCM Clone spam was ridiculous for the levels at the start of the war.

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In reference to your arrow statement I don't think MS sasuke can take down 13+ KCM clones capable of using Rasenshuriken and SM. Naruto canonically used SM to avoid a faster opponent

After leaving Raikage and before fighting Obito. KCM Naruto got a huge illogical boost with those super durable, SM / KCM using clones.

@Perfect Jin: Are you referring to Bee vs Sasuke(Revived Twice) w Karin/Jugo/Suigetsu)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Like I said, the early War KCM Clone spam was ridiculous for the levels at the start of the war.

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In reference to your arrow statement I don't think MS sasuke can take down 13+ KCM clones capable of using Rasenshuriken and SM. Naruto canonically used SM to avoid a faster opponent

After leaving Raikage and before fighting Obito. KCM Naruto got a huge illogical boost with those super durable, SM / KCM using clones.

I'm aware of the kcm naruto clones but Naruto's durability is not his clones durability. It's still a shadow clone and would get impaled by those arrows. Naruto's real body is the only one who can do something about it.
Sm Naruto dodged 3rd Ay, he's not faster he's just more durable opponent. When kcm naruto fought 3rd Ay he beat him in speed no problem, but his jutsus weren't doing anything. He needed Sage Mode to sense the right timing to exploit his own jutsu against him.
When against the 4th Raikage Ay he used kcm to avoid his top speed but even Sasuke was dealing with that speed since the Kage summit.
Anyways, do you really believe that a bunch of clones is taking out Susano'o? Does that sound logical to you?

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is able to destroy a kcm clone easily. Wouldn't you agree?

@Perfect Jin: Are you referring to Bee vs Sasuke(Revived Twice) w Karin/Jugo/Suigetsu)

I'm referring to the Hachibi vs Sasuke when he actually uses his Mangekyo powers and fight to kill instead of holding back. He never died btw, only Jugo saved him from death via implants.
He created a Amatersu big enough to engulf a whole biju, do you really think Amatersu of that size will be deflected by a bunch of kcm naruto clones?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Sasuke wouldn't necessarily have to touch him or try catch him. He just has to wear him out to the point he's out of that chakra, and in his early stages of acquiring it, it really was a non-difficult job outstripping him of the mode. At that point, Sasuke can just rape him with nukes. It was always a toss-up between the two though, but in-character Sasuke kind of rapes exploiting his weaknesses.

 

[Uverdore9]

Sasuke > Naruto. Though firepower wise he has him beat. Rasenshurikens being atomic needles which could bypass Susano'o brings in the question whether it'll outright tank the attack or phase through it.

 

[enditallsin]

Man what are you talkin about? Sasuke ain't touching naruto period lol. Naruto's probably applying more effort here than he ever would against the likes of sasuke. Hell, only time its debatable between these two anyway is when naruto's baby facing,and giving him a handicap. And yes that only brings the contest as far as "debatable". Ya know he gotta take it easy on bestie -_-.

 

[Exaar]

KCM naruto shits on MS sasuke, Even if you give MS sasuke his vision back he still gets shat on

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Imo a full on mastered kcm nardo and an experienced MS Sasuke should be pretty even

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Imo a full on mastered kcm nardo and an experienced MS Sasuke should be pretty even

One of the most logical and factual responses all day. It's like idiots here forgot all of their arsenal and what was literally said in the manga.

 

[Exaar]

I'm aware of the kcm naruto clones but Naruto's durability is not his clones durability. It's still a shadow clone and would get impaled by those arrows. Naruto's real body is the only one who can do something about it.

Why can only naruto's real body deal with them?.

Kakashi and Dazno reacted to them, KCM clones shouldn't have much an issue.

When against the 4th Raikage Ay he used kcm to avoid his top speed but even Sasuke was dealing with that speed since the Kage summit.

He wasn't really dealing with it, he couldn't follow Ay's speed at all.

None of sasuke's jutsu were fast enough to hit Raikage, Same would apply to naruto.

Anyways, do you really believe that a bunch of clones is taking out Susano'o? Does that sound logical to you?

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or

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is able to destroy a kcm clone easily. Wouldn't you agree?

He doesn't need to take out Susanoo, Sussanoo is a double edged sword for MS users and Sure A direct susanoo hit might take out a clone, If it can catch it as it lacks any notable speed feats.

I'm referring to the Hachibi vs Sasuke when he actually uses his Mangekyo powers and fight to kill instead of holding back. He never died btw, only Jugo saved him from death via implants.

Karin healed his wounds inflicted via Bee's swords, Suigetsu blocked the bijuudama

He created a Amatersu big enough to engulf a whole biju, do you really think Amatersu of that size will be deflected by a bunch of kcm naruto clones?

If sasuke wants to waste that much chakra on clones, Good for him. You act like sasuke has no chakra issues whilst spamming Ms jutsu

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Why is this comparison being made when Sasuke's respective mode at the time was EMS. EMS definitely wins.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Why can only naruto's real body deal with them?.

Kakashi and Dazno reacted to them, KCM clones shouldn't have much an issue.

I never said that Naruto’s real body has its own ways of dealing with the arrows, but his doppelgängers do not.

Danzo didn’t react to the arrows, everyone of them impaled him. He just spawned back because of izanagi.
Kakashi had kamui, kamui>>>>Kcm Naruto’s speed.

He wasn't really dealing with it, he couldn't follow Ay's speed at all.

None of sasuke's jutsu were fast enough to hit Raikage, Same would apply to naruto.

He was dealing with him in base speed, he even hit him with Raikiri but once Ay reaches his top speed he provided a counter with an

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that cost Ay his arm.
If Naruto tried Ay’s approach then this will surely happen.
And clearly Sasuke’s attacks were fast enough to hit Ay otherwise he wouldn’t of been missing a hand in the first place.
Kcm Naruto at his top speed can use his chakra arms to catch Ay too.

He doesn't need to take out Susanoo, Sussanoo is a double edged sword for MS users and Sure A direct susanoo hit might take out a clone, If it can catch it as it lacks any notable speed feats.

Susano’o arrow has speed feats. Just ask Dsm kabuto and Ms Kakashi. If it wasn’t for the fact that Time space ninjutsus are the fasting thing ever, Kakashi would’ve been missing his head by now.
But you’re right, he doesn’t need Susano’o for the clones just more so the real body.

Karin healed his wounds inflicted via Bee's swords, Suigetsu blocked the bijuudama

I never denied this. I just said that it was Jugo who saved him from near death, not Karin.
And I also mentioned the part of Sasuke holding back, remember they said that they needed to aim to kill before they can capture Hachibi? Once Sasuke actually used his mangekyo, Hachibi was beat right?
All those times Bee was smacking around Sasuke, he wasn’t using a single mangekyo sharingan jutsu.
Even the sharingan genjutsu he used (not a mangekyo jutsu despite the mangekyo activated) dropped Bee for a few seconds before landing that blindside sneak attack. Right?

If sasuke wants to waste that much chakra on clones, Good for him. You act like sasuke has no chakra issues whilst spamming Ms jutsu

This is simple an example, I know that Sasuke can take out the clones without Susano’o but some people will disagree.
However he did spam his mangekyo jutsus just so you know.
He never fully healed from the Killerbee fight according to karin yet looked at what he spammed at the Kage summit, Danzo fight, and Team 7 reunion fight.

 

[To Whatever]

And Why exactly? If Ms Sasuke can touch 3 kages, and kill one kage candidate. Why not kcm naruto who was touched by the very same Kage that Sasuke stripped of his right hand?

He had to be healed in that fight.

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and he didn't touch the three kages, Onnoki was about to erase him from the continuity until Obito stepped in and Ay vs him is inconclusive.


Regardless of all of this, MS is finite and A>B>C logic doesn't work in this case.

KCM has the benefit of Stamina, speed and firepower.


EMS>KM
KCM>MS
KSM>EMS

Rinnegan=Rikudou Sage Mode.

 

[Nick01]

KCM isn’t needed.

SM Naruto would suffice.

SM>>>MS.

 

[To Whatever]

I hope you realize that Ms Sasuke can

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and he beat a perfect jinchuuriki?

What perfect Jin did he beat?

That was Taka vs KB.

Sasuke got pin cushioned then literally had his chest blown open. Needs to be healed twice and had to make juugo revert to a child.

Suigetsu nearly died trying to tank that lightning beam

Despite all of that, they still didn’t successfully defeat KB who duped them with a clone.

 

[LightSo6p]

manga disagree



Naruto after Pain Arc Talk about his current power SM Comparing to Sasuke

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another Proof

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MS Sasuke > SM Naruto







the Rest of your comparisons i agree ​

He basically was saying he can’t beat sasuke without one of them dying or both and that’s not what he wanted to do he wanted to save sasuke. I think a couple page right before he made that statement you just posted he told sasuke if they fight they both will die guess you believe that too

 

[LightSo6p]

MS Sasuke is on the same level as KCM Naruto, people just keep using examples of Sasuke still getting used to his new techniques to downplay him to SM Naruto level.

I don't know if Sasuke wins, but KCM Naruto is not walking away unscathed.

You know naruto was still getting used to SM too, I’m thinking he barely had it a day when he fought pein but nobody ever takes that into consideration but the facts are they both learned MS and SM around the same time.

 

[Exaar]

I never said that Naruto’s real body has its own ways of dealing with the arrows, but his doppelgängers do not.

Why don't they?

Danzo didn’t react to the arrows, everyone of them impaled him. He just spawned back because of izanagi.

He did react to it, He use Mokuton to change the arrows trajectory

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Kakashi had kamui, kamui>>>>Kcm Naruto’s speed.

Doesn't matter, kakashi reacted to it, Thus so can naruto's clones.

He was dealing with him in base speed, he even hit him with Raikiri but once Ay reaches his top speed he provided a counter with an

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that cost Ay his arm.
If Naruto tried Ay’s approach then this will surely happen.
And clearly Sasuke’s attacks were fast enough to hit Ay otherwise he wouldn’t of been missing a hand in the first place.
Kcm Naruto at his top speed can use his chakra arms to catch Ay too.

Bold is poor logic.
Ay lost an Arm because he chose too, it had nothing to do with the speed of sasuke's jutsu.

Enton shield is all fine and good, Naruto can use clones or chakra hands unlike Ay to has to injure himself to get past it. Sasuke can sit in his enton covered susanoo all he wants, That's just more chakra sasuke's using and the quicker susanoo will take it's toll on sasuke.

Susano’o arrow has speed feats. Just ask Dsm kabuto and Ms Kakashi. If it wasn’t for the fact that Time space ninjutsus are the fasting thing ever, Kakashi would’ve been missing his head by now.
But you’re right, he doesn’t need Susano’o for the clones just more so the real body.

Susanooless sasuke gets murked by KCM clones, It's not even a contest without susanoo's OP defensive power.

This is simple an example, I know that Sasuke can take out the clones without Susano’o but some people will disagree.
However he did spam his mangekyo jutsus just so you know.
He never fully healed from the Killerbee fight according to karin yet looked at what he spammed at the Kage summit, Danzo fight, and Team 7 reunion fight.

He was healed by karin before his fight with danzo and again shortly after.