Ashura, Indra reincarnations was not about power

[Chikombo]

Ashura, Indra reincarnations were not about power

Nobody in NV became strong because they were the ghosts of Ashura and Indra. These were just personalities with the same chemistry, it was never about powers, it doesn't matter how strong they were or were not in the past in fillers or canon, the re incarnations over a thousand years were not all the same tier, Naruto and Sasuke got power ups from the Sage, but they didn't inherit them just like they inherited the will of his sons.

Being an incarnation of Ashura or Indra has nothing to do with power, it's only your own personal destiny, the Sage didn't give his powers to every incarnation, and Madara and Hashirama didn't become strong because they were re incarnations.

I'm sure there were plenty of weak incarnations and I'm sure Madara and Hashirama would have been strong regardless.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

If that was true, Madara would’ve never awakened the rinnegan once he implanted ashura’s chakra (Hashirama tissue). Being a reincarnate=power

 

[Chikombo]

If that was true, Madara would’ve never awakened the rinnegan. Being a reincarnate=power

He only did that cus he had ems and blended Senju with Uchiha, other Uchihas could in theory do the same thing.

 

[Animegoin]

No other Senju in history possessed the Wood Release KKG but Hashirama, Ashura’s reincarnate, had that and a natural (non-animal based) Sage Mode. Things aren’t looking too good for this thread.

 

[Chikombo]

No other Senju in history possessed the Wood Release KKG but Hashirama, Ashura’s reincarnate, had that and a natural (non-animal based) Sage Mode. Things aren’t looking too good for this thread.

But there were plenty other reincarnations before Hashi. None of them had wood release that are known.

Madara also was the first known recorded Uchiha to unlock ms, and Rinnegan, there were plenty reincarnations before him.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He only did that cus he had ems and blended Senju with Uchiha, other Uchihas could in theory do the same thing.

Obito didn’t awaken the rinnegan. He only got six path power/chakra out of it.
And Hagormoo said that reincarnates gave Madara power to awaken the rinnegan.

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[chaos control]

Agreed OP. Being a transmigrant only grants you the potential to gain certain powers, but even then, a transmigrant can't really gain those powers just by training or sticking to the physical/genetic attributes that they were born with. They either need to mix certain DNA or meet Hagoromo in order to gain said powers.

 

[Animegoin]

But there were plenty oither re incarnations before Hashi. None of them had wood release that are known.

There were but they’re unknown but Hashirama certainly benefitted from being Ashura’s reincarnate though. Naruto didn’t really benefit at all but Sasuke did, in relation to Indra (obviously).

 

[soretynha]

Their souls were power hungry, they had a judgement to make.

 

[Chikombo]

Obito didn’t awaken the rinnegan. He only got six path power/chakra out of it.
And Hagormoo said that reincarnates gave Madara power to awaken the rinnegan.

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Obito didn't have ems, Madara said Rinnegan was an evolution, maybe not everyone can unlock it but you don't need to be an incarnate.

And he talks about his sons as Senju and Uchiha blood, it has nothing to do with them as reincarnations. He is just saying an incarnation happened to do something special, but he wasn't just capable of this cus he was the spirit of Indra.

 

[Koibito]

If that was true, Madara would’ve never awakened the rinnegan once he implanted ashura’s chakra (Hashirama tissue). Being a reincarnate=power

Most of Madaras feats hype and power was attained pre-rinnegan so even if he got the rinnegan because he was a reincarnate, he was still dumb powerful due to his own skill and drive

 

[Animegoin]

Obito didn't have ems, Madara said Rinnegan was an evolution, maybe not everyone can unlock it but you don't need to be an incarnate.

And he talks about his sons as Senju and Uchiha blood, it has nothing to do with them as reincarnations. He is just saying an incarnation happened to do something special, but he wasn't just capable of this cus he was the spirit of Indra.

Just stop, that’s a lie. Hagoromo spoke on this himself and testified that Ashura and Indra’s chakra must mix to awaken the Rinnegan. Only reincarnates possess their chakra.

 

[Oblivionx]

Just stop, that’s a lie. Hagoromo spoke on this himself and testified that Ashura and Indra’s chakra must mix to awaken the Rinnegan. Only reincarnates possess their chakra.

That's true. Uchiha and Senju can't awaken rinnegan, its indra and ashura's chakra mixed that does. It clearly stated in manga.

OT: No known incarnate of ashura or indra is weak.All those that we know are strong. So by induction previous ones were strong too for their own generation.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Most of Madaras feats hype and power was attained pre-rinnegan so even if he got the rinnegan because he was a reincarnate, he was still dumb powerful due to his own skill and drive

That’s the work of Indra, and Pre rinnegan’s Madara only feat was fighting senjus (Hashirama specifically) and beating Mu w/young Ohnoki.
Besides that he doesn’t really have any battle feats prior to six path powers/rinnegan.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Ashura and Indra represent 2 parts of a whole(Rokudo sennin). They would always be above everybody because of their powerful chakra and bloodline gifts. The only exception to this is Naruto he required Kurama to fullfill this. No matter how hard anybody trains they will never match one who trains equally hard and has these gifts.

The same is true for anybody and everybody else Sasuke pretty much told Orochimaru were geniuses stand in front of those with blessed eyes. Nobody understands the potential of KKG and genetic potential afforded by them better than Orochimaru. His whole life has been about acquiring those abilities and developing a body(genetics) capable of replicating them.

 

[Chikombo]

There were but they’re unknown but Hashirama certainly benefitted from being Ashura’s reincarnate though. Naruto didn’t really benefit at all but Sasuke did, in relation to Indra (obviously).

Don't you think if there were others, someone would have written it down?

 

[Tonybeeth]

The only shinobi to master sage mode perfectly without implanting any special DNA are hashirama and naruto (ashura's incarnates). J
Both jiraiya and minato have higher chakra control and mastery of jutsus over naruto, but somehow, his mastery of natural energy is better than thiers. That's a perk of having ashura's chakra, not his will.

 

[Tonybeeth]

There's also a reason why only sasuke and madara have being able to attain the EMS. I don't think that's a mistake. Even itachi highlighted this

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Itachi notes the sacrifices that resulted from others trying to obtain the EMS in the same manner. The fact that only madara achieved it, and then sasuke decades later, shows that the EMS is special.

Also why does it have to be the brother's eye. I mean there's no canon fact to show that using the eye from another relative would work. Both sasuke and madara had to use their brothers' eyes. I think this reflects the original relationship between indra and ashura. Thus, in theory, only an indra reincarnates can seamlessly achieve this power since they're the only ones shown to have done so.

 

[uhmusddy]

The only known transmigrants are all shinobi gods so

 

[Chikombo]

Their souls were power hungry, they had a judgement to make.

They only had the WILL to gain power alone or through help of others, it doesn't mean they would automatically gain kage level powers.

Just stop, that’s a lie. Hagoromo spoke on this himself and testified that Ashura and Indra’s chakra must mix to awaken the Rinnegan. Only reincarnates possess their chakra.

With Ashura and Indra he means Senju and Uchiha, or people related to them, not their ghosts, being a reincarnate is all a mental thing, not a physical one, they don't inherit powers through reincarnations only bloodlines.

There's also a reason why only sasuke and madara have being able to attain the EMS. I don't think that's a mistake. Even itachi highlighted this

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Itachi notes the sacrifices that resulted from others trying to obtain the EMS in the same manner. The fact that only madara achieved it, and then sasuke decades later, shows that the EMS is special.

Also why does it have to be the brother's eye. I mean there's no canon fact to show that using the eye from another relative would work. Both sasuke and madara had to use their brothers' eyes. I think this reflects the original relationship between indra and ashura. Thus, in theory, only an indra reincarnates can seamlessly achieve this power since they're the only ones shown to have done so.

Only some Uchihas could, not the reincarnates, if reincarnates has all the gifts then this would have been documented, legends would have been known by generations who are better than others, for a thousand years only Madara was known to have gained ems.
MAYBE Madara had some special chakra cus he had the will of Indra but I doubt it. People would have known about certain people being stronger than others systematically in like every generation.
Kushina had special chakra too though.

The only known transmigrants are all shinobi gods so

Look at all those transmigrants, not one of them were known to unlock the secrets of sharingan?
Madara and Hashirama got to where they were cus they lived with survival of the fittest, not cus it was destiny, they walked the paths of Ashura and Indra, clashed like they did cus of Zetsu and all but they didn't get op cus they had the same will.

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