Madara and Tobi were the Best Villains in Naruto or any Ninja Show

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm taking madaras arsenal

I didn't specify give names because people would typically take the favorable characteristic's moveset instead of a one that's actually useful but not favorable as a character. It's like asking who's power would you pick? Sakura or Hinata's. Obviously you'd favor Sakura more despite the fact that logically Hinata's is better.

Not saying that Madara's moves are bad, that's why I picked them in the first place but can you explain on your reason why and what makes it so better despite the fact that it's madara's?

 

[NOBLE TOAST]

Madara had a great moment to shine during his capture of the tailed beasts. His plan wasn’t fuled simply by heartbreak, he truly felt he was going to accomplish something.


Tobin was a whiny bitch whose main motivation was in a person we never got to meet.

I would relpace him with zabuza

 

[Animegoin]

Madara was honestly the best villain and the other two, Obito and Nagato, were just products of his invention.

Outside of those guys though, Kabuto is the best.

 

[itachi4real]

I didn't specify give names because people would typically take the favorable characteristic's moveset instead of a one that's actually useful but not favorable as a character. It's like asking who's power would you pick? Sakura or Hinata's. Obviously you'd favor Sakura more despite the fact that logically Hinata's is better.

Not saying that Madara's moves are bad, that's why I picked them in the first place but can you explain on your reason why and what makes it so better despite the fact that it's madara's?

I chose Madara because...

Uchiha reflection is one of my fav tools in the manga which has only been used once smh. limbo hengoku is useful against anybody without rinnegan or narutos sage chakra. Just think how Madara hasn't spammed not one jutsu just cus his arsenal is so big.

Tobi literally spammed kamui to no ends. I understand that's his Ms power. But u don't see Madara whipping out PS but only twice. U don't see Itachi spamming amaterasu and tsukyomi every five minutes like obito. idk it just seems as though Madara arsenal is more useful seeing as he didn't have to use any jutsu more than twice. Ex: he pulled out wood dragon once. Deep forest bloom once. When he could spammed TF outta those two jutsu.


Obito arsenal was indeed useful but I'm afraid he didn't use majority of that arsenal tho. Put it this way...every fight/person tobi and obito encountered his based those fights around kamui. Madara on the other hand based his fightson a plethora of jutsu not just susanoo.



Plus u didn't list all of madaras arsenal.

Okay another point is I'd rather see people struggle to get their power. Tobi/obito didn't not struggle whatsoever to get their power.

Long story short obito should've never been behind the mask. And Madara has a better more useful arsenal. Oh and kisame is also one villian that could've been better than obito

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I chose Madara because...

Uchiha reflection is one of my fav tools in the manga which has only been used once smh. limbo hengoku is useful against anybody without rinnegan or narutos sage chakra. Just think how Madara hasn't spammed not one jutsu just cus his arsenal is so big.

I agree with this part that’s why I listed them as one of the options to have as part of your arsenal between the two.

Tobi literally spammed kamui to no ends. I understand that's his Ms power. But u don't see Madara whipping out PS but only twice. U don't see Itachi spamming amaterasu and tsukyomi every five minutes like obito. idk it just seems as though Madara arsenal is more useful seeing as he didn't have to use any jutsu more than twice. Ex: he pulled out wood dragon once. Deep forest bloom once. When he could spammed TF outta those two jutsu.

Once again I specifically avoided mentioning the character who has them because of biased judgments. This is strictly moveset and has nothing to do with the character who owns these moves.
And Madara has spam Susano’o just as much as Tobi spammed kamui. Hashirama doesn’t have nearly as much screen time to judge but as far as I’m concerned he spams wood dragon everytime we see him. Itachi’s case Tsukyomi.

I just want to know what moveset is useful for you and what you would do with it.

Obito arsenal was indeed useful but I'm afraid he didn't use majority of that arsenal tho. Put it this way...every fight/person tobi and obito encountered his based those fights around kamui. Madara on the other hand based his fightson a plethora of jutsu not just susanoo.

Obito’s used a plethora of jutsus as well it’s just that the base doesn’t even recognize his feats and come up with excuses on why he shouldn’t have them or they don’t believe them.
Either way Madara revolves his jutsus around Susano’o just as much as Obito/Tobi kamui.
But this still remains irrelevant to what I’m saying because I just want to know which one you want.

Plus u didn't list all of madaras arsenal.

There’s a lot that I didn’t list for both owners of these powers; a few of them share both (return of the Uchiha) but I strictly gave an ultimatum of these specific select few to see which one you desire the most.

Okay another point is I'd rather see people struggle to get their power. Tobi/obito didn't not struggle whatsoever to get their power.

Long story short obito should've never been behind the mask. And Madara has a better more useful arsenal. Oh and kisame is also one villian that could've been better than obito

I’m really not talking about any of this only the powers. Why are you so caught up on character personality so much?

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Doesn't matter if he didn't have many links to the story.

U think nagato was kind?? He killed and slayed plenty without remorse. Only one he was kind to was naruto( u know from him being the main character and all). I do agree it killed his image just like Itachi being nice kinda killed his image for me. He's my top fav but Itachi should've stayed evil

Itachi was a good guy from the start ( said this multiple times )

Nagato wasn't a Villain because ( as we agree ) what he did in the end
Erased the Evil aura around him and his motivations

being Selfish is part of Evil

Obito was evil for what happen for Rin ( even though to be honest i prefer Tobi character on Obito )
Because Tobi has bigger picture and matured as an Evil guy
till this day i don't believe how evil , smart knowledgeable Tobi was
but when he took the mask off and explained his motivation and it's Rin

i was disappointed but i have to accept it anyway even though kishi made a bad choice

anyway Obito was selfish because what he did for Rin and his interest in her
thats what makes him a Real villain

Nagato was Evil because of his parents and what happen to Yahiko

he is like a victim only but wasn't selfish
that's a very kind side

However Uchiha Madara is totally different he wants power
wants to put everyone in an eternal genjutsu for his Evil vision and ideas
after they rejecting him even though he Established their Village and protect it for a long time
he wanted his Clan to have dignity and not counting or listening to senju Orders that's why he wanted to Destroy not only his village
but all villages , he is a bigger threat him and Obito than Nagato

That's how Great Villains they are​

 

[Light up the Darkness]

2 Uchiha shook up the whole world

That's how Strong Uchiha Clan is

their Name spread Fear in every Heart of the Ninja world​