The power of Chibaku tensei

[Rikudou Tobi]

The power of chibaku tensei can grant two abilities or benefits when used correctly.

Unlike Shinra Tensei which is the power of

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, gravitational pull allows you to fly instead of repelling yourself in the air temporarily before falling back down.
Here's the reason why chibaku tensei lets you fly. This concept comes straight from the dc/marvel comic books (because comics inspired manga) using theoretical science for super powers. Superman the notorious fastest flying character in all of comic book history is known for his modern day run in using gravitions to pull him at incredible speeds bending space around him to fly forward and back faster than the speed of light:

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Now where do we see space being bent in the manga?

1. The man who did it with brute fore, Might Gai:

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2. Tobi/Obito/Kakashi Kamui

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3. Chibaku Tensei

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With the power to manipulate gravitions (gravitational pull) you can use this to pull yourself over great distances like Gai did at possibly faster than light speed. It's because of that reason Gai was able to hit Madara in the first place even after dodging/intercepting people who teleport at lightspeed (minato)

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Another interesting concept besides flying is by controlling its gravitions to attract all matter INCLUDING LIGHT.
Here's one example light being pulled into something with strong gravity:

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If he made his gravitational pull a lot stronger,

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Fortunately enough for Minato he was able to jump behind him before he could even activate the jutsu the second time:

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The whole thing happened instantly that either one of them could've gone down:

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But in chibaku tensei's case, the user doesn't need to draw light into their eyes like Kamui usually does, it will pull light into the black ball that functions like a black hole from a far off without any repercussions, making light impossible for it to escape because...
well, light can't escape black holes.
When used correctly Chibaku tensei can be the most OPed power out there in the Narutoverse. FTL flying speed and trapping/pulling people who travel at Lightspeed.

It can give Sasuke a whole new meaning and hopefully we'll have the Boruto actor expand upon the power of Chibaku tensei a little bit more.

Thoughts?

 

[chaos control]

I like how you mentioned gravitons, the hypothetical bosonic mediator of the gravitational force. However, the graviton is still just a theoretical particle. Furthermore, a few years ago, gravitational waves were discovered, and this lends more credibility to the general relativistic notion of gravity actually being spacetime curvature.

Not to say that Naruto is a physics manga or anything like that, but I believe Kishi would use the spacetime curvature model of gravity rather than the graviton.

Also, I don't believe that Deva path is magnetic. I believe that Deva path is gravitational as well. If it were magnetic, then he would have to manipulate the electromagnetic charges within a target's body in order to push or pull them. He would likely have to ionize both himself and his target in order to make himself and his target be either positively or negatively charged, but since we never see any electrons flying out from an object due to ionization or anything like that whenever shinra tensei or bansho tenin were used, I don't think that those jutsus were magnetic. Gravitational force requires only spacetime curvature, which is much more likely based on how the techniques were presented.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Kakashi said similar to magnetic forces specifically in the sense of repelling and attracting, not that it was a magnetic force.

And it's not as though Madara's reactions were to lightspeed movements, rather the followups that happened afterwards. I'm with Chaos on this one. Bending light can also be attributed to normal space-bending gravity.

 

[BlazeRelease]

Gai bending space is either a plot hole or an example that Kishi is either unaware of how physics work or is willing to use creative license in favor of logical sense (it IS a manga).

Physically, what gai did was completely impossible. He doesn't have the mass or energy to cause space time curvature. Thus he shouldn't be used as a reference point for anything else in the manga if your reasoning is scientific.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kakashi said similar to magnetic forces specifically in the sense of repelling and attracting, not that it was a magnetic force.

It was confirmed to be a

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by Kakashi later on in the manga when Gai specifically said that he had intel on it

And it's not as though Madara's reactions were to lightspeed movements, rather the followups that happened afterwards. I'm with Chaos on this one. Bending light can also be attributed to normal space-bending gravity.

Naruto reacted to literal lightspeed jutsus which is an ability that Rsm user typically have. Since Madara has Six path Sage mode, just like Naruto the same logic applies.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It was confirmed to be a

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by Kakashi later on in the manga when Gai specifically said that he had intel on it

Viz?

Naruto reacted to literal lightspeed jutsus which is an ability that Rsm user typically have. Since Madara has Six path Sage mode, just like Naruto the same logic applies.

Databook hype & obligatory "it only moves as fast as his mouth does."

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I like how you mentioned gravitons, the hypothetical bosonic mediator of the gravitational force. However, the graviton is still just a theoretical particle. Furthermore, a few years ago, gravitational waves were discovered, and this lends more credibility to the general relativistic notion of gravity actually being spacetime curvature.

I did say that it is theoretic didn't I? I'm pulling this straight from the comicbook which explores the possibilities of quantum theoretical physics. I'm applying this comicbook logic to manga logic since Kishi showed so many variables of this type of science on his manga.
Otherwise Kamui and Night Gai wouldn't be a thing.

Not to say that Naruto is a physics manga or anything like that, but I believe Kishi would use the spacetime curvature model of gravity rather than the graviton.

But he didn't.

Also, I don't believe that Deva path is magnetic. I believe that Deva path is gravitational as well. If it were magnetic, then he would have to manipulate the electromagnetic charges within a target's body in order to push or pull them. He would likely have to ionize both himself and his target in order to make himself and his target be either positively or negatively charged, but since we never see any electrons flying out from an object due to ionization or anything like that whenever shinra tensei or bansho tenin were used, I don't think that those jutsus were magnetic. Gravitational force requires only spacetime curvature, which is much more likely based on how the techniques were presented.

Shinra tensei/Bansho tenin does not use gravitational pull, and it was specifically stated in the manga twice that it is a magnetic force. Of course Tendo's power to manipulate those magnetic forces will be limited to a certain degree because "hax" gravitional pull is out of the question because a six tailed beast will not be able to withstand the direct force of gravity and then push it back at the users. It's impossible.
Pain isn't the only one in the manga to use magnetism too and it's in a similar function as bansho tenin so you need to drop the gravitational pull speculation, Shinra tensei is a magnetic force

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Viz?

It's viz. Here's the full page

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Databook hype & obligatory "it only moves as fast as his mouth does."

So you are deciding what moves at the speed of light now? I rather take the

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word for it since we already see Madara surpassing all other lower forms of speed.

Gai bending space is either a plot hole or an example that Kishi is either unaware of how physics work or is willing to use creative license in favor of logical sense (it IS a manga).

Physically, what gai did was completely impossible. He doesn't have the mass or energy to cause space time curvature. Thus he shouldn't be used as a reference point for anything else in the manga if your reasoning is scientific.

Flying through the air by kicking it is also impossible but these things are just comics/manga logic

 

[chaos control]

I did say that it is theoretic didn't I? I'm pulling this straight from the comicbook which explores the possibilities of quantum theoretical physics. I'm applying this comicbook logic to manga logic since Kishi showed so many variables of this type of science on his manga.
Otherwise Kamui and Night Gai wouldn't be a thing.

But he didn't.

Shinra tensei/Bansho tenin does not use gravitational pull, and it was specifically stated in the manga twice that it is a magnetic force. Of course Tendo's power to manipulate those magnetic forces will be limited to a certain degree because "hax" gravitional pull is out of the question because a six tailed beast will not be able to withstand the direct force of gravity and then push it back at the users. It's impossible.
Pain isn't the only one in the manga to use magnetism too and it's in a similar function as bansho tenin so you need to drop the gravitational pull speculation, Shinra tensei is a magnetic force

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Yeah, that jiton panel clearly specifies that the dude put a charge on his opponent. No such thing was specified with Deva path. I know you may be thinking about people using the words attractive and repulsive forces, but attractive and repulsive don't inherently mean magnetic. Let's not forget that gravity in the Newtonian sense is an attractive force, and it can also be viewed as repulsive if another gravitating body pulls an object in the opposite direction away from you.

By the way, kamui and night guy use spacetime curvature.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yeah, that jiton panel clearly specifies that the dude put a charge on his opponent. No such thing was specified with Deva path.

The Yamanaka clan's Holding-Door Mind Transmission was clearly specified by Inoichi Yamanaka on it's mechanics while Nagato's Ningendo did not. That still didn't make a difference to

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So it doesn't matter.

I know you may be thinking about people using the words attractive and repulsive forces, but attractive and repulsive don't inherently mean magnetic. Let's not forget that gravity in the Newtonian sense is an attractive force, and it can also be viewed as repulsive if another gravitating body pulls an object in the opposite direction away from you.

The only attractive force that involved gravity is chibaku tensei. The manga already said that Tendo uses magnetic forces whether you like it or not your opinion on what forces Tendo use still remains irrelevant.

By the way, kamui and night guy use spacetime curvature.

Night Gai does not have the mass or energy to cause space-time curvature on earth and neither does Kamui users. I believe little gravitions re released from their body allowing them to bend space all around them.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Isn’t bansho tenin gravitational pull? Just asking

 

[Ansatsuken]

You meant CT user manipulating the black orb to resemble a black hole by multiplying it's gravitational force? But black hole is sucking in not just attracting. Black orb doesn't do that.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Isn’t bansho tenin gravitational pull? Just asking

Naw, it's magnetic only chibaku tensei is gravitational force.

You meant CT user manipulating the black orb to resemble a black hole by multiplying it's gravitational force? But black hole is sucking in not just attracting. Black orb doesn't do that.

Sasuke doesn't have a black orb but the point is to manipulate the black orbs so that it won't suck the user in but create a curvature.

 

[Mellanoma]

Thoughts?

Just gone take my ending I see.

 

[To Whatever]

Not as impressive as Hagoromo CT at all..

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Just gone take my ending I see.

I’ve been saying that for a while.

Not as impressive as Hagoromo CT at all..

This logic applies to all CT and we haven’t seen Hagormoo preform CT by himself.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Awesome analysis and thread man

totally agree on CT
it can be used as an assist for someone jutsu that's related to gravitation and speed

it's an underrated jutsu

Pain and Madara has the best CT and most effective

 

[To Whatever]

I’ve been saying that for a while.


This logic applies to all CT and we haven’t seen Hagormoo preform CT by himself.

He created a moon sized CT seal.

He can do CT lol. Don’t put him in the same convo as the others

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

He created a moon sized CT seal.

He can do CT lol. Don’t put him in the same convo as the others

No. The moon was created by Hagoromo and Hamura. That's like saying the second moon was created by Sasuke all alone.

 

[Detonator99]

Too bad that no rinnegan ever granted his user the ability to fly most of them were only flying thanks to six path senjutsu.