[Spoilers] WSJ publishes One Piece puzzle that will be answered with Chapter 912

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Above and beyond by using basic, logical reasoning? Apparently pointing out the similarities with the Chinese zodiac is normal, but pointing out the differences is above and beyond?

You just tried to justify a flaw in this entire zodiac thing by turning one animal into a completely different animal just because it's convenient. You then tried to cover another flaw up by giving two different variables the exact same value, something rather highly illogical for an equation.

What you're doing is going above and beyond as instead of trying to solve the riddle, you tried to smash it into a zodiac-mold it doesn't fit in and then pretend it fits while it's spilling out on two sides. Who's being difficult here?
Difficulty lying in your complete dismissal within your first post. You stated that it was "random guessing" and to that I simply simplified how it wasn't random for you. And that it could be something as simple as that. I even finished off with saying that it may not be true as of now but it's probably the most logical thing going. There's not 2 flaws. There's 2 assumptions that make it all fit. And they're not outlandishly made in order to do so as it's not illogical to think pheasant = bird, rooster = bird, thereby through association that would equal 10. If Kuzan (2 different versions) equal 20, which are the same person at the end of the day, then it would be 20 / 2 = 10. Which fits the signs of the Chinese Zodiac in being a bird = Rooster. See the logic. It's not been mushed together or anything and there aren't 2 flaws, they are simple assumptions. To which Monkey D. Luffy, and Yellow Monkey, both by association have Monkey. If this was an equation in writing, you could swap the word monkey for X and it fits your world perfectly. So they aren't two different variable with the same value. The variable is Monkey by association, not their pictures. It does fit without making up or concluding just to make stuff fit, it's pretty sound and simple reasoning.

And as I said previously, it could be wrong, but it seems to be the most logically correct so far.

It's not some huge conundrum, University Challenge algebra question or anything like that, this has been posted in a magazine involving Japanese comics.
 

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Difficulty lying in your complete dismissal within your first post. You stated that it was "random guessing" and to that I simply simplified how it wasn't random for you. And that it could be something as simple as that. I even finished off with saying that it may not be true as of now but it's probably the most logical thing going. There's not 2 flaws. There's 2 assumptions that make it all fit. And they're not outlandishly made in order to do so as it's not illogical to think pheasant = bird, rooster = bird, thereby through association that would equal 10. If Kuzan (2 different versions) equal 20, which are the same person at the end of the day, then it would be 20 / 2 = 10. Which fits the signs of the Chinese Zodiac in being a bird = Rooster. See the logic. It's not been mushed together or anything and there aren't 2 flaws, they are simple assumptions. To which Monkey D. Luffy, and Yellow Monkey, both by association have Monkey. If this was an equation in writing, you could swap the word monkey for X and it fits your world perfectly. So they aren't two different variable with the same value. The variable is Monkey by association, not their pictures. It does fit without making up or concluding just to make stuff fit, it's pretty sound and simple reasoning.

And as I said previously, it could be wrong, but it seems to be the most logically correct so far.

It's not some huge conundrum, University Challenge algebra question or anything like that, this has been posted in a magazine involving Japanese comics.
Which dismissal? I only pointed out that there were some flaws in some of the ideas posted here and then made the objective, correct statement that we don't know the whole context in which this riddle was posted and hence what we are doing, and this included my own remarks in regards to the riddle, is akin to random guessing as how are you going to find a solution to a riddle you don't even know properly? Phrasing it as 'random guessing' might have been a tad too much, but honestly it's a complete fallacy that you started jumping on that when I was even including myself. Then you are the one who is plainly difficult as you cause a ruckus for absolutely no reason.

There are two genuine flaws. Lets assume you want to make a OP riddle based on the Chinese zodiac. How many example equations would you need to be sure to solve the equation with Luffy? One is in fact enough, but a 2nd one is probably needed to make sure it's not a coincidence. A third however is rather pointless, especially when that one contradicts the rule that character = zodiac animal and number. What does the Kuzan equation actually do there then? As you had enough information from the other two. And no you can't just make assumptions, that's not how riddles work and especially not when you're not being consistent about it.

If you would actually follow your own reasoning through, you can end up with probably any solution you want. I mean who says Akainu has to be the dog zodiac? Why not the ox? Both mammals, four legs and a tail. You can't just nilly willy decide that you're going to follow another reasoning for another character purely because it's more convenient for you. That's not how riddles work, that in itself shows there is something wrong here.

Same thing with Kizaru. Assuming it had to be a Chinese zodiac riddle, they are countless of characters that can easily be associated with any of the zodiac, yet they chose two affiliated with the exact same one? The truth is you could have made a far easier and clearer riddle if this truly had to be a zodiac riddle. If you deduced from the equations Chinese zodiac were the key, you can automatically make the connection that Luffy represents the monkey, Kizaru is just not particularly needed there. So either this riddle simply sucks or what you say is, at least partially, not true and you can't really blame me for either. Unless there's some information missing here, but then we would end again with my OP.

The reason I started talking about the lack of context was to make things easier as it's possible people were thinking too much about this due to lack thereof. So it comes down to that you jump on my post saying I make things difficult, which is the only thing you have been doing so far.
 
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It's a puzzle and I'm not Japanese so I'm willing to grasp at even the smallest straws.
Neither am I, hence my OP to see if there is someone who does know some Japanese or found additional information somewhere else. If you don't understand what is exactly asked, it's kind of hard to find the solution. Then you're pretty much saying everything and nothing at the same time.

Case and point, I did some browsing and these are other things people came up with:

- Color schemes

- Character names

- DF powers

Which is neither here nor there.

Now eventually someone on Reddit said that the point is to find a specific character that has a three-character name (which I assume they refer to the amount of kanji used). Now following the Zodiac-hypothesis people ended up with Nezumi, the corrupt marine officer from the Arlong arc who looked like a rat. Nezumi also means rat/mouse in Japanese. So this gives some credibility to this hypothesis, but of course then you can wonder whether this riddle has anything to do with the plot of story and that there was no particular reason for the admirals to have been used.
 

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Oh my my.... I have had enough cracking my brain looking at this puzzle. I am simply gonna wait. lol. And yeah here is the translated pic of that Puzzle. Credits to @artur for translation.

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Oh my my.... I have had enough cracking my brain looking at this puzzle. I am simply gonna wait. lol. And yeah here is the translated pic of that Puzzle. Credits to @artur for translation.

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What does Luffy have to do with the real treasure wisdom
I'm still bothered by there being two Kuzans.
You should be more bothered about being wrong, again.
 

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Real Treasure Wisdom is a Puzzle Game launched by WSJ to commemorate 21st Anniversary of One Piece Manga. This one is a another Puzzle that is happened to be in queue after the previous 5 Puzzles. So, yeah Luffy is now part of the Puzzle #6.
Oh okay thanks for the info.
I'm not necessarily wrong yet.:coffee:
:lol What are you talking about? Memento Mori already has it translated, you're wrong.
 
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The prediction itself. The idea that all the old admirals will go to Wano but not the newer ones. I dunno what you're asking.
I wouldn't doubt that the admirals are going but Sakazuki is not leaving post to go to Wano because he has responsibilities as Fleet Admiral.
After the comment that one of the Vice Admirals made, he said that the only ones who can stop those two yonkos are all the Admiral level people the Warlord level people and since the Warlords lost 3 powerful , my bet is that they send the Admirals.
The admirals of old are not going except for Borsalino, Issho will obviously be of first choice because he is a swordsmen, and maybe Greenbull will make his appearance after the Reverie.

In short, you're going to be wrong because Sakazuki's position and Kuzan's affiliation.
 
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