Minato Not Finding Kid Obito Dumb?

[Koutei]

Same strategy? I doubt someone as skills as Minato would have landed a hit on Obito without Rinnegan back then. You can't compare Minato with Fuu and Torune since both of them were not fast. Both of them were also vulnerable to Obito which means that he could see their tactic, but with Minato's case he simply landed a hit because of his reaction speed. Let alone that Minato is one of the fastest shinobi in history, and FTG is more superior than combination attacks of 2 or 3 people, that's it.

That is basicly your interpretation of the scenario, yet did Minato fight a 14 yo Obito back then, someone with not even comparable experience with the one that Fu and Torune fought. Countering the phasing of the Kamui with a 2 person team isn't even difficult. One plays the bait as Fu did and Torune finished him off at the moment Obito has to materialise to attack. We saw this speed wise even working in that particular fight, just was Obito predicting that plan perfectly, as he faced he before and almost died because of it too.

Btw, Minato had to worry about Konoha's safety and Kushina and Naruto. He even defeated Obito in less than 3 minutes. I doubt someone as Konan and Kakashi would have done the same there. Konan needed time to prepare her counter against Kamui, while Kakashi did need his team to battling against Obito.

As I said before, Minato fought a 14 yo Obito, considering that in Chapter 603 we are seeing Obito being for half a year in a cave, without the Kamui and him fighting Minato with a newly gained power would he obviously lack the experience to counter the strategy of Minato as he did with Fuu & Torune.

 

[Thundergod123]

That is basicly your interpretation of the scenario, yet did Minato fight a 14 yo Obito back then, someone with not even comparable experience with the one that Fu and Torune fought. Countering the phasing of the Kamui with a 2 person team isn't even difficult. One plays the bait as Fu did and Torune finished him off at the moment Obito has to materialise to attack. We saw this speed wise even working in that particular fight, just was Obito predicting that plan perfectly, as he faced he before and almost died because of it too.


As I said before, Minato fought a 14 yo Obito, considering that in Chapter 603 we are seeing Obito being for half a year in a cave, without the Kamui and him fighting Minato with a newly gained power would he obviously lack the experience to counter the strategy of Minato as he did with Fuu & Torune.

Bro, Obito knew about Minato's potential and FTG, what are you saying, and he still lost?

14 years old Obito is not an argument. Are you saying he is inexperienced? Mate, you are not going nowhere without giving me a true explanation rather than basic age. First of all, it doesn't matter which kind of Obito was, 14 years old, 18 years old, 21 years old or Tobi etc. he still get his ass whopped by Minato, that's it. That 14 years old Obito can defeat Hiruzen, Tsunade etc, and he can even defeat 13 years old Itachi, but not his sensei who mastered FTG in a whole different level.

You saying Obito developed his skills when he grew up. It is true, but not enough to state the fact that Minato is superior than 2 or 3 people who tries to counter Obito. If Minato battled against Tobi (orange mask) he will still get countered by FTG, leaving with reaction speed, analyzing, striking speed. Minato has proven that he is good on these fields, more? Fuu and Torune aren't fast. Yes, Obito knows he almost died against Minato back then and took that as an advantage to not get countered, but again they didn't landed a hit, because they were vulnerable.

To defeat Obito, you need to counter him by space-time ninjutsu, another one who use Kamui, Amaterasu, Konan 10 minutes explosion jutsu or someone with great ability that can catch anyone off guard.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Bro, Obito knew about Minato's potential and FTG, what are you saying, and he still lost?

14 years old Obito is not an argument. Are you saying he is inexperienced? Mate, you are not going nowhere without giving me a true explanation rather than basic age. First of all, it doesn't matter which kind of Obito was, 14 years old, 18 years old, 21 years old or Tobi etc. he still get his ass whopped by Minato, that's it. That 14 years old Obito can defeat Hiruzen, Tsunade etc, and he can even defeat 13 years old Itachi, but not his sensei who mastered FTG in a whole different level.

You saying Obito developed his skills when he grew up. It is true, but not enough to state the fact that Minato is superior than 2 or 3 people who tries to counter Obito. If Minato battled against Tobi (orange mask) he will still get countered by FTG, leaving with reaction speed, analyzing, striking speed. Minato has proven that he is good on these fields, more? Fuu and Torune aren't fast. Yes, Obito knows he almost died against Minato back then and took that as an advantage to not get countered, but again they didn't landed a hit, because they were vulnerable.

To defeat Obito, you need to counter him by space-time ninjutsu, another one who use Kamui, Amaterasu, Konan 10 minutes explosion jutsu or someone with great ability that can catch anyone off guard.

Dude what are you talking about? First of all he was 13 years old and your saying that there's no difference between a 13-14 year to a 20 and 30 year old?
Obito was the same age as part 1 Naruto and we see a huge difference in experience from part 1 Naruto to a Part 2 16 year old shippuden Naruto episode/chapter 1.

The experience is significantly different and at that time he didn't know how to use a kamui feint yet at the age of 13. FTG is not a counter btw, Kakashi's kamui is a counter. Obito inexperience got him caught of guard by ftg because he's a kid but when 30 year old Obito during the war came into contact with level 3 kcm ftg, he easily countered it without even using kamui.

 

[Mellanoma]

Obito inexperience got him caught of guard by ftg because he's a kid but when 30 year old Obito during the war came into contact with level 3 kcm ftg, he easily countered it without even using kamui.[

While I understand what you're saying. Lets not make it seem like he countered it from experience alone. He had quite a bit of an amplification

 

[Thundergod123]

Dude what are you talking about? First of all he was 13 years old and your saying that there's no difference between a 13-14 year to a 20 and 30 year old?
Obito was the same age as part 1 Naruto and we see a huge difference in experience from part 1 Naruto to a Part 2 16 year old shippuden Naruto episode/chapter 1.

The experience is significantly different and at that time he didn't know how to use a kamui feint yet at the age of 13. FTG is not a counter btw, Kakashi's kamui is a counter. Obito inexperience got him caught of guard by ftg because he's a kid but when 30 year old Obito during the war came into contact with level 3 kcm ftg, he easily countered it without even using kamui.

Read again, I didn't said anything about Obito with power ups or not, he just matures, that's it, and all I wrote was telling that it doesn't matter in what age he battled Minato during the Kurama attack. He will still lose, since encountering kill intent Minato mode will get him defeated. Bro, FTG is a counter, please watch Minato vs Masked Man again, and come back here. When using FTG, you need reaction speed, sensing ability and striking speed, that's all alone to do the trick. I am not talking about how to counter Kamui, but I am referring how to defeat him in a battle, and yet you say it is not?

What are you even saying? Minato was an Edo Tensei, and an Edo Tensei is not as powerful as in their alive form. Obito was in his Juubi form lol, and FTG is not useless, but Minato wasn't even thinking right at that moment because it was Obito who stood in front of him.

This is normal Obito with only Kamui.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

While I understand what you're saying. Lets not make it seem like he countered it from experience alone. He had quite a bit of an amplification

I mean the jubi jinchuuriki increases flight speed not reaction speed. Seeing how EMS Sasuke and Bsm Naruto matched that flight speed, I don’t think Minato would have an excuse for that one either.

All Obito did was drflect his ftg attack with a striking speed, and that’s all thanks to the power of the sharingan. Put Shisui, Sasuke, and Itachi in that situation and that accomplish it just as easy.
The sharingan can see light speed attacks, this was confirmed when Sasuke was able to see Haku’s reflection speed when they fought, the only problem was his body physically keeping up with that reaction speed.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Read again, I didn't said anything about Obito with power ups or not, he just matures, that's it, and all I wrote was telling that it doesn't matter in what age he battled Minato during the Kurama attack. He will still lose, since encountering kill intent Minato mode will get him defeated. Bro, FTG is a counter, please watch Minato vs Masked Man again, and come back here. When using FTG, you need reaction speed, sensing ability and striking speed, that's all alone to do the trick. I am not talking about how to counter Kamui, but I am referring how to defeat him in a battle, and yet you say it is not?

I said a kamui counter nothing about how he was defeated, he simply didn’t get full intel on ftg. Minato confirmed this during the war, and you need to realize that this is a kid Obito where talking about here. He’s completely inexperience, it took him to the age of 20 to show some real experience and battle prowess above that of any kage.
Minato used ftg again against a more experience Obito and it failed, so obviously ftg is not a counter for kamui.

What are you even saying? Minato was an Edo Tensei, and an Edo Tensei is not as powerful as in their alive form. Obito was in his Juubi form lol, and FTG is not useless, but Minato wasn't even thinking right at that moment because it was Obito who stood in front of him.

This is normal Obito with only Kamui.

You need to pay attention more because the jubi doesn’t increase you reaction speed. That was all Obito’s striking speed and he stopped it dead in his tracks with just two strikes with his hands.
The jubi is not responsible for that and kyubi chakra Mode Minato greatly outclasses base alive minato

 

[Mellanoma]

I mean the jubi jinchuuriki increases flight speed not reaction speed. Seeing how EMS Sasuke and Bsm Naruto matched that flight speed, I don’t think Minato would have an excuse for that one either.

All Obito did was drflect his ftg attack with a striking speed, and that’s all thanks to the power of the sharingan. Put Shisui, Sasuke, and Itachi in that situation and that accomplish it just as easy.
The sharingan can see light speed attacks, this was confirmed when Sasuke was able to see Haku’s reflection speed when they fought, the only problem was his body physically keeping up with that reaction speed.

For the most part you are correct with the exception that:

1) Juubi Jin do get a reaction boost. Obito's internal struggles limited his capabilities but being the jin boost everything.

2) Minato is FAST but his reactions are quite slow. Its almost as if he can't react to his own FTG as he always has a momentary pause.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

For the most part you are correct with the exception that:

1) Juubi Jin do get a reaction boost. Obito's internal struggles limited his capabilities but being the jin boost everything.

Where did you get this information from? Because this did not help Madara when he tried to grab his rinnegan from Obito who didn't have the jubi.
I just want to see comparison proof (don't use kid obito as an example).

2) Minato is FAST but his reactions are quite slow. Its almost as if he can't react to his own FTG as he always has a momentary pause.

If his reaction time is slow, wouldn't that just prove my point?

 

[Thundergod123]

I said a kamui counter nothing about how he was defeated, he simply didn’t get full intel on ftg. Minato confirmed this during the war, and you need to realize that this is a kid Obito where talking about here. He’s completely inexperience, it took him to the age of 20 to show some real experience and battle prowess above that of any kage.
Minato used ftg again against a more experience Obito and it failed, so obviously ftg is not a counter for kamui.


You need to pay attention more because the jubi doesn’t increase you reaction speed. That was all Obito’s striking speed and he stopped it dead in his tracks with just two strikes with his hands.
The jubi is not responsible for that and kyubi chakra Mode Minato greatly outclasses base alive minato

Let's just take an example:

If Obito battled against Fuu and Torune instead of Minato during the Kurama attack on Konoha, and let's say they are countering the phasing of the Kamui with a 2 person team. One plays the bait as Fu did and Torune finish him off at the moment Obito has to materialise to attack. Yes, this Obito has not so much experience compared to that other Tobi. Do you think this 14 years Obito (13 in your case) would have countered that?

Yes, because he used powerful weapons while Tobi didn't. Anyway, Obito would have seen that coming and doing the same or nearly the same by luring them. Remember, Obito got one of Zetsu's body with him as seen when he met Madara for the first time, either way this creature is known to be smart and knows how to play as simple as that. Both of them, also the duo are then vulnerable to Obito, this means he will be able to see their strategy. What I am saying now is that it doesn't matter who he battled against back then.

You should know that Minato in the other hand was fighting alone and FTG didn't only helped him, but he was also smart enough to figure out that Obito wanted to end the fight quickly so he knew that only speed was the key of defeating his Kamui.

Why do you even mention Obito with Juubi? With Juubi you get better power like sensing abilities, faster movements, simply more powerful. Minato in KCM was letting his guard down since Obito said "Rin" and suddenly transformed into a real Juubi Jinchuriki. This is a whole different thing. Minato wouldn't have knew that and tried to attack him, but didn't knew about the Truth Seeking Ball.
Tell me, if it was a non Rinnegan and Juubi, would Obito stopped that KCM Minato attack? I doubt, he doesn't have the Juubi powers.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Let's just take an example:

If Obito battled against Fuu and Torune instead of Minato during the Kurama attack on Konoha, and let's say they are countering the phasing of the Kamui with a 2 person team. One plays the bait as Fu did and Torune finish him off at the moment Obito has to materialise to attack. Yes, this Obito has not so much experience compared to that other Tobi. Do you think this 14 years Obito (13 in your case) would have countered that?

Yes, because he used powerful weapons while Tobi didn't. Anyway, Obito would have seen that coming and doing the same or nearly the same by luring them. Remember, Obito got one of Zetsu's body with him as seen when he met Madara for the first time, either way this creature is known to be smart and knows how to play as simple as that. Both of them, also the duo are then vulnerable to Obito, this means he will be able to see their strategy. What I am saying now is that it doesn't matter who he battled against back then.

You should know that Minato in the other hand was fighting alone and FTG didn't only helped him, but he was also smart enough to figure out that Obito wanted to end the fight quickly so he knew that only speed was the key of defeating his Kamui.

Actually no he will not win at the age of 13. And you can see the experience difference between a 13 year old and 30 year old when it comes to using their powers. When the 30 year old Tobi used kamui feint on Fu and Torune, that was the same tactics that Minato use on a 13 year old Obito. He knew that Obito materializes when he’s about to warp someone, so what he did is ftg behind Obito while he was trying to warp Minato’s body so that he can strike a solid body. Since Fu and Torune do not have Ftg they used the same method with a to person body. They used one as a sacrifice so that one of them would strike Obito from when he materializes to warp, just like Minato was doing. Torune was playing Minato’s role when he striked him from behind while Fu was the bait to make Obito materialize his body to warp.
That plan would’ve worked on a 13 year old Obito because Minato succeeded. That plain failed against a 30 year old who can feint his kamui as a counterattack.

You comparing a 13 year old Obito to a 30 year old Tobi is like comparing part 1 Naruto demon form Naruto vs Orochimaru to a Adult demon form Naruto vs Orochimaru. You wouldn’t be foolish enough to say that Adult demon form Naruto will still lose to Orochimaru that beat him when he was a 13 year old kid.

Why do you even mention Obito with Juubi? With Juubi you get better power like sensing abilities, faster movements, simply more powerful. Minato in KCM was letting his guard down since Obito said "Rin" and suddenly transformed into a real Juubi Jinchuriki. This is a whole different thing. Minato wouldn't have knew that and tried to attack him, but didn't knew about the Truth Seeking Ball.
Tell me, if it was a non Rinnegan and Juubi, would Obito stopped that KCM Minato attack? I doubt, he doesn't have the Juubi powers.

That’s a whole lot of speculations because the jubi does not increase your striking speed because that’s fanfic. Minato letting his guard down is also fanfic, I could say that kid Obito let his guard down against Minato just because he said “sensei” and he hesitated.
So jubi powers are hardly relevant here, Obito was already a sensor without jubi, the jubi did not increase his striking speed, Obito use the black receivers imbedded in his body to stop Minato too (tsb not needed) just like Madara did to Tobirama, and the rinnegan was never used because he couldn’t control it, the eye was just too powerful for him to use.

 

[Thundergod123]

Actually no he will not win at the age of 13. And you can see the experience difference between a 13 year old and 30 year old when it comes to using their powers. When the 30 year old Tobi used kamui feint on Fu and Torune, that was the same tactics that Minato use on a 13 year old Obito. He knew that Obito materializes when he’s about to warp someone, so what he did is ftg behind Obito while he was trying to warp Minato’s body so that he can strike a solid body. Since Fu and Torune do not have Ftg they used the same method with a to person body. They used one as a sacrifice so that one of them would strike Obito from when he materializes to warp, just like Minato was doing. Torune was playing Minato’s role when he striked him from behind while Fu was the bait to make Obito materialize his body to warp.
That plan would’ve worked on a 13 year old Obito because Minato succeeded. That plain failed against a 30 year old who can feint his kamui as a counterattack.

You comparing a 13 year old Obito to a 30 year old Tobi is like comparing part 1 Naruto demon form Naruto vs Orochimaru to a Adult demon form Naruto vs Orochimaru. You wouldn’t be foolish enough to say that Adult demon form Naruto will still lose to Orochimaru that beat him when he was a 13 year old kid.


That’s a whole lot of speculations because the jubi does not increase your striking speed because that’s fanfic. Minato letting his guard down is also fanfic, I could say that kid Obito let his guard down against Minato just because he said “sensei” and he hesitated.
So jubi powers are hardly relevant here, Obito was already a sensor without jubi, the jubi did not increase his striking speed, Obito use the black receivers imbedded in his body to stop Minato too (tsb not needed) just like Madara did to Tobirama, and the rinnegan was never used because he couldn’t control it, the eye was just too powerful for him to use.

Idk why you are comparing Minato with Fuu and Torune. Minato would have still defeated 30 years Obito, no doubt. FTG is too quick for him. I mean, Obito only had his arms to fight against Fuu and Torune but still won, even though with weapons it would have been a lot easier. Obito is stronger with chains or other weapons. Well, it is also your speculations, 14 years Obito was strong enough to defeat many Anbus in that age, how can you complain? Fuu and Torune were strong yes, but they're attacks was not fast. Same tactic at most, but their plan didn't succeed as you mentioned. Minato would have completed his task once again if he ever battled Obito in that mode.

Besides, Minato's role was more superior than Fuu and Torune. His FTG was a direct attack at his opponent, because once the kunai had reached close proximity to Obito, or past him, he teleported to the said kunai, immediately attacked Obito from his blind-spot. The speed at which this technique is executed along with the unpredicted secondary attack is such that even an individual who possesses the Sharingan is unable to react in time. Yes, reaction, it doesn't matter how experienced Obito became, FTG is still quick to dodge.

Here you assess without coming up with a good example. 30 years Obito is indeed strong and more experienced, but don't forget that 14 years Obito had to control Kyuubi as well and battling Minato at the same time. 14 Years Obito without controlling Kyuubi would have defeated Fuu and Torune more quicker than ever. This Obito would have given Minato a good match as well, but still the outcome would still be the same.

About that Juubi thing, Kishi had to seriously nerf Minato back then for the sake of the plot, so he would lose his arm against Juubito and not letting it regenerate was ridiculous, but managed to compete against Obito and Madara when they absorbed the Juubi. Say whatever you want, but this is right, Minato and Hiruzen didn't used their full strength.

"So jubi powers are hardly relevant here, Obito was already a sensor without jubi, the jubi did not increase his striking speed". Where did you know that?
Here it looks like you just write without giving me a fact though. Juubi itself is composed of and manipulates natural energy, and only natural energy and taijutsu can compete against it. On the other hand, becoming a Juubi Jinchuriki can sense chakra around them and can sense attacks without the need to see them. So it is obvious that Obito with Juubi was able to sense in a whole different lvl, and his striking speed was better.

 

[Mellanoma]

Where did you get this information from? Because this did not help Madara when he tried to grab his rinnegan from Obito who didn't have the jubi.
I just want to see comparison proof (don't use kid obito as an example).

If his reaction time is slow, wouldn't that just prove my point?

Yes as I said originally you were correct just wrong about how you got to your point.


As for Madara's speed. Madara under the impression that Black Zetsu had 100% control of Obito causing him to lower his guard?

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notice the !!? .. This indicates he was completely unaware that Obito was going to do that. chances are Obito pretended BZ was incontrol until he had the moment to strike.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes as I said originally you were correct just wrong about how you got to your point.


As for Madara's speed. Madara under the impression that Black Zetsu had 100% control of Obito causing him to lower his guard?

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notice the !!? .. This indicates he was completely unaware that Obito was going to do that. chances are Obito pretended BZ was incontrol until he had the moment to strike.

I said when Madara reached to grab the rinnegan not when he waited for Black zetsu to meld with his body:

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[Koutei]

Idk why you are comparing Minato with Fuu and Torune. Minato would have still defeated 30 years Obito, no doubt. FTG is too quick for him. I mean, Obito only had his arms to fight against Fuu and Torune but still won, even though with weapons it would have been a lot easier. Obito is stronger with chains or other weapons. Well, it is also your speculations, 14 years Obito was strong enough to defeat many Anbus in that age, how can you complain? Fuu and Torune were strong yes, but they're attacks was not fast. Same tactic at most, but their plan didn't succeed as you mentioned. Minato would have completed his task once again if he ever battled Obito in that mode.

You don't need speed, when you predict the opponents movements. Something Fu and Torune perfectly did, which made with their teamwork up for the lack of speed. You don't even need speed to hit Obito, you just need to surprise him, something Minato did. Minato used his teleportation to surprise Obito and catch him through that offguard, speed was a medium, yes, but Torune and Fuu made that with their numbers up. While Obito was attacking Fu, was Torune going to attack Obito, because Obito needs to materialise himself to attack him. Minato did pretty much the same thing. Minato waited until Obito was going to materialise and attack and then teleported behind him and attacked. It's the same thing, Obito knew about Fuu having Torune and Minato having his thrown, tagged Kunai yet did Obito just counter one of there scenarios. The reason is obvious, the reason why Obito fell for Minato and not Fuu&Torune was because Minato fought a 14 yo Obito, who had almost no experience with his Kamui nor time to decently train. The one that fought Fu & Torune had time to train, got his experience and more... Obito showed that he wouldn't fall for the same tactic twice and that doesn't really leave much for Minato. Even if we would assume that he would catch Obito, Obito still has his Izanagi. The result of that battle could go anywhere. To clarify, speed doesn't counter Kamui, unreadable surprise attacks counter them.

Besides, Minato's role was more superior than Fuu and Torune. His FTG was a direct attack at his opponent, because once the kunai had reached close proximity to Obito, or past him, he teleported to the said kunai, immediately attacked Obito from his blind-spot. The speed at which this technique is executed along with the unpredicted secondary attack is such that even an individual who possesses the Sharingan is unable to react in time. Yes, reaction, it doesn't matter how experienced Obito became, FTG is still quick to dodge.

He doesn't need to react anything, when he actually knows the next step. Obito didn't react to Torune, he knew that he was going to attack, when Obito would have made his next step and that is why he faked it. If Minato would have done the same thing to the Obito Fu and Torune fought would that have not worked on him. Torune was the whole time keeping the perfect distance to blitz Obito, while Fuu played the bait, it's basicly the same thing just did we have instead of teleportation a second combatant. They were waiting for Obito to counterattack and kill Fuu, while Torune was going to interrupt and finish it with his venomic bugs. Both tactics waited for Obito to materialise and attack him then.

Here you assess without coming up with a good example. 30 years Obito is indeed strong and more experienced, but don't forget that 14 years Obito had to control Kyuubi as well and battling Minato at the same time. 14 Years Obito without controlling Kyuubi would have defeated Fuu and Torune more quicker than ever. This Obito would have given Minato a good match as well, but still the outcome would still be the same.

30yo Obito>14yo Obito. You are stating that the 14yo Obito without controlling the Kyubi would have easily beaten Fu and Torune, but that would require a different approach he used on Minato or the one the 30yo Obito had on Fu and Torune. You are stating stuff you don't even know. We don't even know how much strain it had on Obito and with your logic could the 14yo Obito most likely have beaten Minato during that battle too, would he have not controlled the Kyubi. You have no proof that Obito would have fought differently against Minato would he have not controlled Kurama and your statement and reasoning of the 14yo Obito beating Fu and Torune makes no sense too, if the 14yo Obito would have fought Fu and Torune would he have fallen for their trap, as he did to Minato's and he would have been the victim of Torune's venom. Obito would have attacked Fu and Torune would have infected him...

About that Juubi thing, Kishi had to seriously nerf Minato back then for the sake of the plot, so he would lose his arm against Juubito and not letting it regenerate was ridiculous, but managed to compete against Obito and Madara when they absorbed the Juubi. Say whatever you want, but this is right, Minato and Hiruzen didn't used their full strength.

He got nerfed or you are overestimating him, one of those 2 is it. Minato was at his peak. The Edo obviously brings you back weaker, but with infinite chakra, but Minato had his KCM. He was never stronger and that is the thing, you stating that Minato was nerfed cannot be proved as we saw him just like 2 times fight and one time was against a 14yo kid. If we are going with the argument that Obito killed Anbu's back then, Kakashi was with 13 pre Sharingan already promoted to Jonin.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Idk why you are comparing Minato with Fuu and Torune. Minato would have still defeated 30 years Obito, no doubt. FTG is too quick for him. I mean, Obito only had his arms to fight against Fuu and Torune but still won, even though with weapons it would have been a lot easier. Obito is stronger with chains or other weapons. Well, it is also your speculations, 14 years Obito was strong enough to defeat many Anbus in that age, how can you complain? Fuu and Torune were strong yes, but they're attacks was not fast. Same tactic at most, but their plan didn't succeed as you mentioned. Minato would have completed his task once again if he ever battled Obito in that mode.

Minato is not faster than a 30 year old Obito, he's way slower than him that it's not even funny. 30 year old Tobi would kill Minato. I compared Mu and Fu's strategy to Minato's which was exactly the same. Both Torune and Minato attacked Obito from behind while his body was suppose to be materializing. One failed because Obito is an experience 30 year old and the other succeeded because he is a 13 year old kid. Using chains is not a strong weapon at all, and comparing 60 black ops anbus to minato fight is just a bad excuse because Obito stayed in intangible kamui while destroying people with Wood style. He didn't even use that against Minato let alone a simple Fire style technique so don't compare Minato to that situation. He only used Kamui on him and that's it.

Besides, Minato's role was more superior than Fuu and Torune. His FTG was a direct attack at his opponent, because once the kunai had reached close proximity to Obito, or past him, he teleported to the said kunai, immediately attacked Obito from his blind-spot. The speed at which this technique is executed along with the unpredicted secondary attack is such that even an individual who possesses the Sharingan is unable to react in time. Yes, reaction, it doesn't matter how experienced Obito became, FTG is still quick to dodge.

His tactics weren't superior at all because Torune did the exact same thing highlighted in bold yet it still failed. The rest is just utterly wrong. It's not unpredictable at all, Minato activated his jutsu before kid Obito did, that's why he one. Minato's attack speed won because of his timing, he even said so himself:

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Sharingan reaction is superior to ftg speed, the users body just needs to keep up with it.

Here you assess without coming up with a good example. 30 years Obito is indeed strong and more experienced, but don't forget that 14 years Obito had to control Kyuubi as well and battling Minato at the same time. 14 Years Obito without controlling Kyuubi would have defeated Fuu and Torune more quicker than ever. This Obito would have given Minato a good match as well, but still the outcome would still be the same.

This is some backward incoherent logic because Mu and Torune already fought a 30 year old more experience Obito without the kyubi. To say that a 14 year old obito would beat those two quicker than ever is the same thing as saying that 14 kid obito would also beat minato quicker than ever if he wasn't busy controlling the kyubi.
Minato without Hiruzen to distract the beast, would clearly die with easy overkill in all honesty. Let's be real here.

About that Juubi thing, Kishi had to seriously nerf Minato back then for the sake of the plot, so he would lose his arm against Juubito and not letting it regenerate was ridiculous, but managed to compete against Obito and Madara when they absorbed the Juubi. Say whatever you want, but this is right, Minato and Hiruzen didn't used their full strength.

Kishi didn't nerf mianto for any plot reasons, that's just your bias opinion on that matter. It was Obito who was seriously nerfed for plot sake if he wasn't saved by Tobirama.
Minato did not compete with Madara or Obito, he was seriously outclassed that it wasn't even funny.

"So jubi powers are hardly relevant here, Obito was already a sensor without jubi, the jubi did not increase his striking speed". Where did you know that?
Here it looks like you just write without giving me a fact though. Juubi itself is composed of and manipulates natural energy, and only natural energy and taijutsu can compete against it. On the other hand, becoming a Juubi Jinchuriki can sense chakra around them and can sense attacks without the need to see them. So it is obvious that Obito with Juubi was able to sense in a whole different lvl, and his striking speed was better.

You're just talking incoherently and without much sense to be honest. Obito has no business sensing Minato if he's right in front of him. And becoming a jubi jinchuuriki doesn't increase your striking speed. He didn't use the rinnegan against minato and he didn't use the jubi to enhance his physical reflexes that's just fanfiction. Obito had no problem dodging jubi madara on reflexes alone and his unconscious body kept minato and kakashi unable to land a single attack on him.
Ten tails coffin seal is not Six path sage mode that gives you universal understanding. Show me in the manga where it states that the jubi increases striking speed, I'll wait.

 

[Mellanoma]

I said when Madara reached to grab the rinnegan not when he waited for Black zetsu to meld with his body:

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Wait are you asking how come Madara didn't attakc him before activating Kamui?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Wait are you asking how come Madara didn't attakc him before activating Kamui?

I’m asking that since you believe that the jubi jinchuuriki increases your reflexes/striking speed, why didn’t Madara grab the rinnegan before Obito could go intangible?
My whole argument is that ftg can be countered through reflexes and mutual striking thanks to Killerbee and 30 yr old Obito.

 

[LightSo6p]

I’m asking that since you believe that the jubi jinchuuriki increases your reflexes/striking speed, why didn’t Madara grab the rinnegan before Obito could go intangible?
My whole argument is that ftg can be countered through reflexes and mutual striking thanks to Killerbee and 30 yr old Obito.

I think obito got some of the jubi Jin powers back right there, because as you can see he had that back staff again

 

[LightSo6p]

That is actually not true, Fuu and Torune figured it as fast out as Minato and even had the same strategy as Minato. It failed though as Obito wouldn't fall for the same strategy twice. There actually people that figured it out, Kakashi and Konan are a great example.

Fu and torune already knew what obito ability were already though, minato had to figure it out with no type of intel at all