Would Naruto have won vote 1 if he summoned the toad?
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Not true. Rinnewank proves this.
Jirayia wanted to see what he can do. This is the reason why he took Naruto with him.
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Pipole trynna say naruto not fighting a kill xd
first off all...saskey spare naruto from a death so u can say teh same about saskey
second!!!!! naruto fought to break every bone of saskey body (his words) which is child version of a killing intents........ naruto got solo three times xd stop with the scuses
first off all...saskey spare naruto from a death so u can say teh same about saskey
second!!!!! naruto fought to break every bone of saskey body (his words) which is child version of a killing intents........ naruto got solo three times xd stop with the scuses
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The Rinnegan a KKG grants access to the 6 paths how're you trying to equate that with a non KKG jutsu.
That's not the actual reason it was to keep an eye on him and safe from Akatsuki
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Again Jiraiya mentions he'll be around to protect him from them.
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Anyway after that they started the journey and all Jiraiya was shown teaching him from that point was the rasengan. I'm still teying to figure out when Jiraiya would've found time to twach him the food cart destroyer jutsu.
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He accepted Naruto as his underling(someone he acknowledged that he'd be obligated to help out due to the way of family, Honor, or whatever...although, he tried to use a loophole of not having exchanged drinks with Naruto to get out of the responsibility...but, in the end he made it official...so that's that.)...he'll cooperate with him after that point...it's not that hard bro:bdpf:
That would've easily been an lol diff fight if plot wasn't so intent on letting sauce leave and become an edge Lord. Gamabunta could just hold sauce in his mouth and take him back to the village at the behest of Naruto.
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Hmm.. well, there’s the obvious of yea, the summon could just do the job itself. 2 things tho
1. Without the kyuubi chakra it isn’t a fight really between them... at all.
2.) iirc kid naruto NEEDED some form of the kyuubis chakra to summon the big one.... so... there’s that.
1. Without the kyuubi chakra it isn’t a fight really between them... at all.
2.) iirc kid naruto NEEDED some form of the kyuubis chakra to summon the big one.... so... there’s that.
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Rinnegan Jutsu are Kekkei Genkai jutsu available to the Rinnegan users. Limbo isn't available to Sasuke and neither is Ameno to Madara because they're dependant on the Sharingan aspect of the eye. They're actual dojutsu cast via the eyes so anybody claiming Madara or Sasuke can use each others is fanboying.
If you know about these scansthen you also know that their rasengan training pretty much started a few pages later. Naruto's time was pretty mich spent on it even up to the Sannin battle. Jiraiya had no time to teach it to him during that time period so I don't see Jiraiya teaching it to him. In the entirety of the time skip Naruto trained with Jiraiya and returned only knowing bigball Rasengan. I don't see how you can give Naruto feats like that this early on if he didn't have them during the two years or so of training.
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In that mode Naruto stated that he would break every bone in Sasuke's body if he had to. Which is corresponded with him smacking Sasuke around under water then throwing him into the side of a cliff, & slamming on top of him.
Anyway, Sasuke could have beaten Naruto before he even entered that form.
He is much faster than Naruto in base alone, & can see through movements with his Sharingan, thus he could always evade Rasengan and hit Naruto directly. Like he did against Gaara with his sand defense. Thus Naruto would be defeated in c226 before gaining/using the Kyuubi's chakra which is required to summon Gamabunta.
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"A beeline attack is easy to counter or avoid"
A beeline attack is exactly what Naruto did with Rasengan whilst Sasuke had his Sharingan activated. This/the next 2 pages.
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Base Sasuke easily evaded Naruto earlier. This/the next two pages.
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Chidori only clashed with Rasengan because Sasuke allows it to. He wanted to test their power. In other words, he was holding back.
People speak as if Naruto had the summoning technique mastered, and overlook the above. It's not plot that Naruto didn't rely on an unsure technique. If you really think that then you should definitely be pointing out Sasuke not evading Rasengan as plot.
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In KN0 Naruto clearly held back in his initial beating to give Sasuke a chance to give up "BEFORE" he really tries to crush him.
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Then we have the obvious fact that Naruto would clearly be holding back as he would've needed to keep Sasuke alive at the end even if he actually started to really go in.
Sasuke had the physical advantage over base Naruto sure , but Sasuke evading Rasengan like he did Gaara's sand and killing Naruto before KN0 comes out is based on ur own opinion and the manga literally shows us differently.
For one Naruto can enter KN0 anytime he likes as he showed against Kisame/Itachi and before confronting Kimimaro. 2nd the Manga clearly showed us that base Sasuke wasn't able to evade Naruto's Rasengan to simply land Chidori like you think he can. 3rd , Naruto attacked when Sasuke attacked him. Naruto would need to thrust before Sasuke does his own thrust for what ur saying to even happen. But Naruto has enough reaction to meet Sasuke's attack simultaneously which is what he factually wanted to do , unlike in the case of Sasuke.
Sasuke himself made sure to note that his 'BEST BET" to land chidori was to use fast combination attacks to land it , not to mention the obvious combat speed amp from CM. Saying he can do wat he himself thinks he needed all that to do clearly doesn't make sense.
Saying base Sasuke could always do this and only allowed himself to clash with Rasengan is like saying Sasuke himself had no reason to worry about wasting another Chidori on a stalemate since by this logic , he could've simply avoided the stalemate w/Sharingan no diff and land Chidori without even using any of the things he himself said would've been his BEST BET for making sure his Chidori lands without clashing with Rasengan. I'd rather go with the manga on this so no , base Sasuke had hardly any chance at all to land Chidori like he did to Gaara in the CE with a linear rush.
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:lol Yeah, good luck with that. Gamabunta wouldn't have fought even Shukaku if Gamakichi didn't say he was bullied or whatever by him
But if you want to give VoTE 1 Naruto imaginary control over Bunta, then yes, there's nothing Sasuke can do without a boss summon of his own.
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, let alone agreeing to help Naruto beat some 12-year-old kid, lmao.But if you want to give VoTE 1 Naruto imaginary control over Bunta, then yes, there's nothing Sasuke can do without a boss summon of his own.
Still spouting this BS?
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No it was about Sasuke gaining his full sharingan ability’s and even though his genjutsu is pretty shitty compared to the other Uchiha , he would’ve genjutsu the toad
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Good point. Although he still held back less than Sasuke.
False. He only enters Kyuubi mode whenever the Kyuubi allows him too. Which is either when he is enraged, in a life threatening situation, or when he ask.
He easilyevaded Naruto's punch (which in another situation would be Rasengan) and landed his own kick (which is another situation would be Chidori) mid-air.
The whole point of having the Sharingan activated while using Chidori is to anticipate your opponents movements to evade them if needed, but you're saying Sasuke couldn't even though Naruto was much slower than Sasuke's base alone.
Yeah, his best bet to end Naruto with 100 percent certainty. Not his only option. Your comment implies Naruto was somehow at weightless Base Lee's. Well, far above that considering Sasuke had 2 tomoe Sharingan and CML1 activated.
Yes, he already wasted one Chidori by stalemating with Rasengan. He clashed them to test which one was stronger, trusting that Chidori would overpower it. Yet it only matched. He could only use Chidori twice a day, so with one being ineffective, he didn't want to waste another.
Would Naruto have won if he summoned the toad? Sure. Would gamabunta have listened to him? Probably. However, plot would have it that the two would argue about it long enough for Sasuke to beat a hasty retreat.
As for "who solos who" - the argument is rather silly. While it is recognized that Sasuke is the superior ninja in terms of technique and overall understanding of tactics, half of the reason for this is a plot device called the "Sharingan." While it does have some amazing perceptive and genjutsu abilities, it also has the miraculous ability to grant someone enough chakra to go toe-to-toe with a jinchuriki.
If an Uchiha is up against a jinchuriki, his need to be relevant instantly coalesces into a supply of chakra and jutsu technique which allows him to remain relevant to the plot, if not win. No explanation is needed for how a sharingan user develops the technique. Madara, upon biting Hashirama, for example, was able to understand that he would unlock the ability "Izanagi" and put it to use. Apparently, it was very common for the Uchiha to feast on Senju in order to blind themselves to dodge death for a few seconds, and they had to develop Izanami to counter it. Or something. Same with truth-seeker orbs and limbo clones (whatever those are). No training, experience, or research required. Better yet is when you can just snatch an eye out of someone's socket and plop it in yours... and poof... that works, because an Uchiha has Senju DNA, now. I don't see Senju swapping out their eyes all the time because their bodies are like a NASCAR pit-stop. Even the legendary healing abilities of those like Tsunade are built around a technique that must amplify those.
But I digress.
The point is that Naruto and Sasuke are designed to be disproportionate equals. Sasuke "won" VOTE1 because plot dictated he ultimately had to get his way, and that was the simplest way to make that happen. The fight could have easily gone either way. Just as Naruto needed to rely on the Kyuubi, Sasuke needed to rely on both the Curse Mark and the Sharingan. Sasuke was conscious at the end of VOTE for two reasons. First, to show that he was not going to kill his friend in order to seek the Mangekyo Sharingan, and Second, because it was the easiest way to advance the plot to put Sasuke in the hands of Orochimaru and Naruto in the village, pining after his lost friend.
As for "who solos who" - the argument is rather silly. While it is recognized that Sasuke is the superior ninja in terms of technique and overall understanding of tactics, half of the reason for this is a plot device called the "Sharingan." While it does have some amazing perceptive and genjutsu abilities, it also has the miraculous ability to grant someone enough chakra to go toe-to-toe with a jinchuriki.
If an Uchiha is up against a jinchuriki, his need to be relevant instantly coalesces into a supply of chakra and jutsu technique which allows him to remain relevant to the plot, if not win. No explanation is needed for how a sharingan user develops the technique. Madara, upon biting Hashirama, for example, was able to understand that he would unlock the ability "Izanagi" and put it to use. Apparently, it was very common for the Uchiha to feast on Senju in order to blind themselves to dodge death for a few seconds, and they had to develop Izanami to counter it. Or something. Same with truth-seeker orbs and limbo clones (whatever those are). No training, experience, or research required. Better yet is when you can just snatch an eye out of someone's socket and plop it in yours... and poof... that works, because an Uchiha has Senju DNA, now. I don't see Senju swapping out their eyes all the time because their bodies are like a NASCAR pit-stop. Even the legendary healing abilities of those like Tsunade are built around a technique that must amplify those.
But I digress.
The point is that Naruto and Sasuke are designed to be disproportionate equals. Sasuke "won" VOTE1 because plot dictated he ultimately had to get his way, and that was the simplest way to make that happen. The fight could have easily gone either way. Just as Naruto needed to rely on the Kyuubi, Sasuke needed to rely on both the Curse Mark and the Sharingan. Sasuke was conscious at the end of VOTE for two reasons. First, to show that he was not going to kill his friend in order to seek the Mangekyo Sharingan, and Second, because it was the easiest way to advance the plot to put Sasuke in the hands of Orochimaru and Naruto in the village, pining after his lost friend.