"Tremendous dealmaker" Trump cancels North Korea Peace Summit

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As the title says, the peace talks with North Korea have been cancelled by Trump himself.

Before that, Kim Jong Un was threatening to cancel after Trump's new national security advisor, John Bolton, was publicly advocating regime change, much like the Libya model, with North Korea.

And as a last nail in the coffin, here's what Trump wrote in his letter to Kim Jong Un.



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Iran nuclear agreement was warning for Kim that USA can't be trusted.

Russia learned this decades ago.

We were thinking Trump is going to change something but sadly its clear he is bigger puppet in hands of Israel than Obama was.
 

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Another strategic power play from Trump. He's been toting a diplomatic line which the media and most mainstream political pundits label ill-advised, but it's the same approach he's been taking that's led him get in a position to even have a Korean Peace Summit on the table in the first place. It's the same reason why the American captives were released and why Jong-un shut down his nuclear weapon testing sites. Trump is maintaining his power position over North Korea, and it would be counter-intuitive for him to have gone forth with the summit in-spite of the disrespect directed at his cabinet; and for those who don't know, insults were directed at M. Pence, who, hierarchically, is the U.S.' second in command. What people fail to realize is that Asian politics and diplomacy aren't played the same way they are in western European countries; they're based on strength and respect, not politeness and pleasantry. Jong-Un is not Angela Merkel, he wouldn't get triggered over something like this and virtue signal about feelings.



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You don't deal from a position of subjugation, otherwise you'd be treated like a pushover, which we've seen first hand with Obama every time he tried to gain leeway with China. Trump, on the other hand, received all the stops when he visited China; red carpet, having Jinping come on to the tarmac to greet Trump, etc. He was even given leeway over North Korea in terms of Chinese exports. It's obvious the summit isn't being "canceled", but postpone; possibly by several months or so. In doing so, Trump keeps North Korea on their toes while retaining the superiority in their dealings. It's a win-win.

But don't take my word for it, come to your own conclusions. I'd rather think rationally than have the media tell me what conclusions to come to.
 

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Another strategic power play from Trump. He's been toting a diplomatic line which the media and most mainstream political pundits label ill-advised, but it's the same approach he's been taking that's led him get in a position to even have a Korean Peace Summit on the table in the first place. It's the same reason why the American captives were released and why Jong-un shut down his nuclear weapon testing sites. Trump is maintaining his power position over North Korea, and it would be counter-intuitive for him to have gone forth with the summit in-spite of the disrespect directed at his cabinet; and for those who don't know, insults were directed at M. Pence, who, hierarchically, is the U.S.' second in command. What people fail to realize is that Asian politics and diplomacy aren't played the same way they are in western European countries; they're based on strength and respect, not politeness and pleasantry. Jong-Un is not Angela Merkel, he wouldn't get triggered over something like this and virtue signal about feelings.



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You don't deal from a position of subjugation, otherwise you'd be treated like a pushover, which we've seen first hand with Obama every time he tried to gain leeway with China. Trump, on the other hand, received all the stops when he visited China; red carpet, having Jinping come on to the tarmac to greet Trump, etc. He was even given leeway over North Korea in terms of Chinese exports. It's obvious the summit isn't being "canceled", but postpone; possibly by several months or so. In doing so, Trump keeps North Korea on their toes while retaining the superiority in their dealings. It's a win-win.

But don't take my word for it, come to your own conclusions. I'd rather think rationally than have the media tell me what conclusions to come to.

Kim Jong Un shut down his nuclear weapons site because it failed and collapsed after the missile test....But I'm glad you're attaching undeserved credit to Trump. Really shows how credible your "rational conclusion" is.

"Position of strength" is what the U.S. has been since it became a superpower.

And if Obama regime changing left and right, and going into 7 illegal wars isn't a "position of power," then I don't know what is.

I'd rather get my facts straight than make an uneducated opinion on something.
 
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Another strategic power play from Trump. He's been toting a diplomatic line which the media and most mainstream political pundits label ill-advised, but it's the same approach he's been taking that's led him get in a position to even have a Korean Peace Summit on the table in the first place. It's the same reason why the American captives were released and why Jong-un shut down his nuclear weapon testing sites. Trump is maintaining his power position over North Korea, and it would be counter-intuitive for him to have gone forth with the summit in-spite of the disrespect directed at his cabinet; and for those who don't know, insults were directed at M. Pence, who, hierarchically, is the U.S.' second in command. What people fail to realize is that Asian politics and diplomacy aren't played the same way they are in western European countries; they're based on strength and respect, not politeness and pleasantry. Jong-Un is not Angela Merkel, he wouldn't get triggered over something like this and virtue signal about feelings.


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You don't deal from a position of subjugation, otherwise you'd be treated like a pushover, which we've seen first hand with Obama every time he tried to gain leeway with China. Trump, on the other hand, received all the stops when he visited China; red carpet, having Jinping come on to the tarmac to greet Trump, etc. He was even given leeway over North Korea in terms of Chinese exports. It's obvious the summit isn't being "canceled", but postpone; possibly by several months or so. In doing so, Trump keeps North Korea on their toes while retaining the superiority in their dealings. It's a win-win.

But don't take my word for it, come to your own conclusions. I'd rather think rationally than have the media tell me what conclusions to come to.
This so much.

People like you(Lightbringer) are so quick to say, 'See! Look how bad this guy is! We all told you!' and can't even be objective and look at where we were. Obviously we can't let a country call us out our name and treat us any way they like and still have us sit at their feet begging for them to throw away their weapons. It would make us look soft. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the current President or if the 'other' party did it when your President of choice was sitting.


Sure, I don't agree with everything President Trump says. I don't even agree with 95% of what he says. However, he's not wrong in this move to pull-out of the summit. N. Korea crossed a line and they will have to either pull up or shut up like they did before. Is it good politics to let a country speak any kind of way they want about your country?

(I also disagree. I don't think Obama was soft when it came to Korea. I think he was trying to be Presidential about it.)
 

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This so much.

People like you(Lightbringer) are so quick to say, 'See! Look how bad this guy is! We all told you!' and can't even be objective and look at where we were. Obviously we can't let a country call us out our name and treat us any way they like and still have us sit at their feet begging for them to throw away their weapons. It would make us look soft. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the current President or if the 'other' party did it when your President of choice was sitting.


Sure, I don't agree with everything President Trump says. I don't even agree with 95% of what he says. However, he's not wrong in this move to pull-out of the summit. N. Korea crossed a line and they will have to either pull up or shut up like they did before. Is it good politics to let a country speak any kind of way they want about your country?

(I also disagree. I don't think Obama was soft when it came to Korea. I think he was trying to be Presidential about it.)
So instigating war is more important than having potential peace?

The U.S. is known for regime change. We police the world and we dicked over dictators like Gaddafi after making "peace deals." And when we starting negotiating with North Korea, John Bolton began touting his warhawkish views and brought up how we should do to North Korea what we did with Libya, which is make a deal to disarm them, then fund a coup.

What is being "soft" even mean? We're currently bombing 8 different countries and ramped up drone strikes to the stratosphere. Touting our "big guns" isn't going to make anyone respect the U.S. The U.S. is a joke to the rest of the world.

PS: I never had faith in this peace deal anyway as N.Korea is known to pull out of agreements for media attention and recognition. But Trump is so easy to manipulate, it's embarrassing.
 
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So instigating war is more important than having potential peace?

The U.S. is known for regime change. We police the world and we dicked over dictators like Gaddafi after making "peace deals." And when we starting negotiating with North Korea, John Bolton began touting his warhawkish views and brought up how we should do to North Korea what we did with Libya, which is make a deal to disarm them, then fund a coup.

At this point, it's clear North Korea isn't willing to risk that much for such little gain(Literally zero gain; they'd get obliterated).

All that means is they agreed with Hillary Clinton and Obama on Libya.
 

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At this point, it's clear North Korea isn't willing to risk that much for such little gain(Literally zero gain; they'd get obliterated).

All that means is they agreed with Hillary Clinton and Obama on Libya.
Well at least we agree there.

But how can you deny that this move by Trump doesn't make the U.S. look bad? North Korea had legitimate concerns and Trump shut down a peace deal with U.S. journalists still in North Korea and this wasn't long after Trump also killed the Iran Deal.

All that this is doing is showing that the U.S. is going back on promises made, isn't interested in striving for international peace, and simply wants to play world leader rather than be a world leader. If bad mouthing a country is a line crossed, then that just shows we're being run by a little immature kid who throws a fit over insignificant things.

Do you honestly believe that touting our imperialistic power is going to gain anyone's respect? Trump has already been dis-invited to international summits. More and more countries are looking at Germany as the new leader of the free world rather than the U.S.
 
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Well at least we agree there.

But how can you deny that this move by Trump doesn't make the U.S. look bad? North Korea had legitimate concerns and Trump shut down a peace deal with U.S. journalists still in North Korea and this wasn't long after Trump also killed the Iran Deal.

All that this is doing is showing that the U.S. is going back on promises made, isn't interested in striving for international peace, and simply wants to play world leader rather than be a world leader. If bad mouthing a country is a line crossed, then that just shows we're being run by a little immature kid who throws a fit over insignificant things.

Do you honestly believe that touting our imperialistic power is going to gain anyone's respect? Trump has already been dis-invited to international summits. More and more countries are looking at Germany as the new leader of the free world rather than the U.S.
In this specific instance I don't think what he did was wrong.
 

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In this specific instance I don't think what he did was wrong.
There's no indicator that this was a smart move. After cancelling the peace talks, Trump also declared that South Korea and Japan would pay for U.S. financial war costs against North Korea if they take action.

The U.S. is already facing international backlash from this decision.

Why are you not able to agree with me that this was horrendous display of diplomacy and pragmatism?
 
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Well at least we agree there.

But how can you deny that this move by Trump doesn't make the U.S. look bad? North Korea had legitimate concerns and Trump shut down a peace deal with U.S. journalists still in North Korea and this wasn't long after Trump also killed the Iran Deal.

All that this is doing is showing that the U.S. is going back on promises made, isn't interested in striving for international peace, and simply wants to play world leader rather than be a world leader. If bad mouthing a country is a line crossed, then that just shows we're being run by a little immature kid who throws a fit over insignificant things.

Do you honestly believe that touting our imperialistic power is going to gain anyone's respect? Trump has already been dis-invited to international summits. More and more countries are looking at Germany as the new leader of the free world rather than the U.S.
The us is not an imperalistic power nor does anyone in the want our country to be so.
Iran was as shown by isreali intelligence i might add, that iran had no intention of following nor even respecting the treaty so as such trump was right to tear it up.
Ether way you went with it it was a lose lose. Ether we looked weak or looked like the aggressor.
 

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There's no indicator that this was a smart move. After cancelling the peace talks, Trump also declared that South Korea and Japan would pay for U.S. financial war costs against North Korea if they take action.

The U.S. is already facing international backlash from this decision.

Why are you not able to agree with me that this was horrendous display of diplomacy and pragmatism?
I personally don't think he was wrong in his response.
 

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I personally don't think he was wrong in his response.
So it's your personal opinion, not an objective one?

Your personal opinion believes that there were more positives taken away from how Trump handled things than the negative, and that other nations are now respecting us for Trump's show of "strength?"




South Korea: President Moon Jae-in said at an emergency meeting with his top security officials: "Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and the establishment of permanent peace are historic tasks that can neither be abandoned nor delayed... I am very perplexed and it is very regrettable that the...summit" won't go ahead as planned.

The United Nations secretary-general: António Guterres via Twitter: "Deeply concerned by cancellation of meeting between President of the US and leader of the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea.) I urge the parties to continue dialogue to find a path towards the verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

British Prime Minister: Theresa May, per L.A Times: "We are disappointed… We need to see an agreement that can bring about the complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

Russian President Vladimir Putin per the AP: Kim “did everything that he had promised in advance, even blowing up the tunnels and shafts” of the country’s nuclear testing site. “After which, we heard about cancellation of the summit by the United States.
He added: "In Russia, we took this news with regret, because we had very much counted on it being a significant step in sorting out the situation on the Korean peninsula and that it would be the beginning of the process of denuclearizing the whole Korean Peninsula.”
 

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Probably better off he pulled out, NK has a history of isolation from the rest of the international community in its policy and direction regarding de-nuclearisation, who's to say they wouldn't have pulled out anyway? Trump probably wouldn't have been able to sit down and have sensible negotiation of any substance either, lets be real. The guy doesn't understand the domestic court system after all, or the constitution of his own country, good luck to him trying not to shit his pants discussing international affairs.

 

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So it's your personal opinion, not an objective one?

Your personal opinion believes that there were more positives taken away from how Trump handled things than the negative, and that other nations are now respecting us for Trump's show of "strength?"




South Korea: President Moon Jae-in said at an emergency meeting with his top security officials: "Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and the establishment of permanent peace are historic tasks that can neither be abandoned nor delayed... I am very perplexed and it is very regrettable that the...summit" won't go ahead as planned.

The United Nations secretary-general: António Guterres via Twitter: "Deeply concerned by cancellation of meeting between President of the US and leader of the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea.) I urge the parties to continue dialogue to find a path towards the verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

British Prime Minister: Theresa May, per L.A Times: "We are disappointed… We need to see an agreement that can bring about the complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

Russian President Vladimir Putin per the AP: Kim “did everything that he had promised in advance, even blowing up the tunnels and shafts” of the country’s nuclear testing site. “After which, we heard about cancellation of the summit by the United States.
He added: "In Russia, we took this news with regret, because we had very much counted on it being a significant step in sorting out the situation on the Korean peninsula and that it would be the beginning of the process of denuclearizing the whole Korean Peninsula.”
Definitely never said more nations would respect us. I just said he's not wrong for his response.

Also, politically do you think there would be more positives if Trump had just taken the insults? That was one of Obama's knocks; that he was too soft and other countries frequently said so.
 

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Definitely never said more nations would respect us. I just said he's not wrong for his response.

Also, politically do you think there would be more positives if Trump had just taken the insults? That was one of Obama's knocks; that he was too soft and other countries frequently said so.
Don't you think he is going a little bit backwards, talking about the military instead of talking to Kim face to face and actually making progress?
 
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