[Discussion] Yonko can defeat 2 Admiral, but 3 defeats a Yonko! (Discussion)

[Uzumaki sensei]

Big Mommu and Teach maybe, but I don't see Kaido or Shanks pulling that off. Teach can nullify and vortex anyone and their power and then Flamberge them; as for big Mom, she would just create homies of their natures and use them against them, in addition to that she would use Soul vortex and Soul enigma to crush their minds and corrupt their souls and take their life spans into the realm of Hades.

that taking soul power only works if your scared of her

 

[Punk Hazard]

The problem this thread makes is that it assumes that Yonko Commanders are far from the Yonko themselves, when this isn't quite the case. At least not in the examples you used.

Looking at Whitebeard against any of the three Admirals, it's obvious the Admirals were on his level and any of them could have beat him one on one. And yes, he was weakened, but there is zero evidence anything but Whitebeard's stamina and natural reaction speeds were affected by his old age. His Quakes, Haki, speed, physical strength, none of it was ever shown or stated to be weaker as a result of his age, and none of those things were an advantage against the Admirals any time he clashed with them except for one instance where he jumped Akainu(meaning, an invalid clash). While WB was the weakest of the Yonko, he was still one of the Yonko.

Oda has never portrayed the Yonko as above the Admirals.

 

[arv993]

The problem this thread makes is that it assumes that Yonko Commanders are far from the Yonko themselves, when this isn't quite the case. At least not in the examples you used.

Looking at Whitebeard against any of the three Admirals, it's obvious the Admirals were on his level and any of them could have beat him one on one. And yes, he was weakened, but there is zero evidence anything but Whitebeard's stamina and natural reaction speeds were affected by his old age. His Quakes, Haki, speed, physical strength, none of it was ever shown or stated to be weaker as a result of his age, and none of those things were an advantage against the Admirals any time he clashed with them except for one instance where he jumped Akainu(meaning, an invalid clash). While WB was the weakest of the Yonko, he was still one of the Yonko.

Oda has never portrayed the Yonko as above the Admirals.

Only natural reaction and stamina? Lol downplaying that shows how much bias you have in your argument. Those are crucial factors in a fight. When a dude can’t dodge or take as much damage he is much less of a threat. If akainu had bad stamina or durability the dude would be in the bottom of the ocean by the end of the fight with white beard but he does not which makes him a much tougher opponent to beat.

Yonko on avg have better hype, from Kaido to big mom, I can’t expect fujitora to have a similar level of hype. And even the best of marines who is akainu doesn’t have hype on the level Oda gave Kaido.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Only natural reaction and stamina? Lol downplaying that shows how much bias you have in your argument. Those are crucial factors in a fight.

I never said they were. But the fact that the Admirals were able to face WB's power, fight through it and match it at times shows they are on his level of power. I said what I said to show that you can't fall back on saying shit like "They survived his Quakes because him being sick made him weaker!" but I suppose reading comprehension is rare.

Yonko on avg have better hype, from Kaido to big mom

They don't.

And even the best of marines who is akainu doesn’t have hype on the level Oda gave Kaido.

Except when Oda had Akainu take WB's strongest Quakes in a sneak attack and still come back fighting as though nothing happened to him. Or when Oda said that Akainu would be able to find OP in a year, something unheard of for even the Yonko. Or when Blackbeard decided to run from just Akainu with his crew backing him up, something that parallels Akainu to Shanks, one of the Yonko.

 

[arv993]

I never said they were. But the fact that the Admirals were able to face WB's power, fight through it and match it at times shows they are on his level of power. I said what I said to show that you can't fall back on saying shit like "They survived his Quakes because him being sick made him weaker!" but I suppose reading comprehension is rare.


They don't.


Except when Oda had Akainu take WB's strongest Quakes in a sneak attack and still come back fighting as though nothing happened to him. Or when Oda said that Akainu would be able to find OP in a year, something unheard of for even the Yonko. Or when Blackbeard decided to run from just Akainu with his crew backing him up, something that parallels Akainu to Shanks, one of the Yonko.

Being able to tank his attacks is an impressive feat, but wb in better health or younger would have been a monster because iof higher durability and being able to avoid lethal hits meaning akainu would lose. Wb was severely weaker in those areas and that can’t be understated.

So in a 1 v 1 do I pick Kaido or akainu. You tell me. Kaido has superior hype there’s no way around it. Akainu being able to find Op can be attributed to other factors not just his strength alone. For example Big mom claims if she had an alliance with giants she would have beaten the yonko, that doesn’t make her individually better than Kaido.

Shanks’s Best hype moment isn’t BB running from him... but point is akainu is impressive but not on the level of Kaido. And yonko like shanks, or big mom have superior hype compared to the likes of fujitora who is an admiral, it’s not just akainu here.

 

[Lord Tywin]

The admirals are equal to the yonko individually. Akainu was shitting on the strongest pirate alive during the war. He singlehandedly was swatting yonko commanders like nothing. Akainu is probably the strongest character right now(I see him as above Kaido). Here is the ranking between yonko and the admirals
Akainu
Kaido
Shanks
BB
Kizaru
Big Mom
rest of the admirals

they battles between top tiers are always extreme diff

 

[chopstickchakra]

I never said they were. But the fact that the Admirals were able to face WB's power, fight through it and match it at times shows they are on his level of power. I said what I said to show that you can't fall back on saying shit like "They survived his Quakes because him being sick made him weaker!" but I suppose reading comprehension is rare.


They don't.


Except when Oda had Akainu take WB's strongest Quakes in a sneak attack and still come back fighting as though nothing happened to him. Or when Oda said that Akainu would be able to find OP in a year, something unheard of for even the Yonko. Or when Blackbeard decided to run from just Akainu with his crew backing him up, something that parallels Akainu to Shanks, one of the Yonko.

Mmm they kind of do. Show me an Admiral more hyped than Shanks. Kaido was hyped to be immortal and Big Mom was hyped to be nigh invincible except when a picture of her "mom" is destroyed and she sees it. BB's hyped to be the final villain. WB was hyped up to the highest 1v1 position you could have.

 

[Wrappering_]

The admirals are equal to the yonko individually. Akainu was shitting on the strongest pirate alive during the war. He singlehandedly was swatting yonko commanders like nothing. Akainu is probably the strongest character right now(I see him as above Kaido). Here is the ranking between yonko and the admirals
Akainu
Kaido
Shanks
BB
Kizaru
Big Mom
rest of the admirals

they battles between top tiers are always extreme diff

Shanks flanked Akainu and saved Coby without anyone even flinching; if Shanks wanted he could have probably killed Akainu there.

 

[Easyfathom]

The problem this thread makes is that it assumes that Yonko Commanders are far from the Yonko themselves, when this isn't quite the case. At least not in the examples you used.

Looking at Whitebeard against any of the three Admirals, it's obvious the Admirals were on his level and any of them could have beat him one on one. And yes, he was weakened, but there is zero evidence anything but Whitebeard's stamina and natural reaction speeds were affected by his old age. His Quakes, Haki, speed, physical strength, none of it was ever shown or stated to be weaker as a result of his age, and none of those things were an advantage against the Admirals any time he clashed with them except for one instance where he jumped Akainu(meaning, an invalid clash). While WB was the weakest of the Yonko, he was still one of the Yonko.

Oda has never portrayed the Yonko as above the Admirals.

Zero evidence?

Marco comments on his health in the middle of the battle. Says that Squardo shouldn't have been able to attack him, his haki should have been enough to strike Aokiji and that his King Haki was out of action due to his health (might have to check that last one, but I feel I remember it). It was definitely shown that it was more than you're insinuating. He was sick, old and by far not in his prime. Wasn't there a statement from Oda saying something that his quakes were just as destructive as always? Suggesting that the rest of his strengths may have diminished...... I agree his quakes had the same destructive force and arguably his haki (to some extent observation) shouldn't have faltered, but the evidence shows otherwise.


....Granted, not looking perhaps Aokiji was just doing that phasing thing where you're being struck, that was haki doesn't matter and it goes right through you... always thought that scene looked weird.

But here for example,

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Which then in turn caused all this to happen,

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He stated here he wasn't able to save Ace, which we have seen Rayleigh specifically target people in a crowd with Kings haki,

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Once again, an admiral isn't effected by his attacks,

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I think it's very questionable that he's shown so little display of haki, even for pre-timeskip. Whitebeard, the worlds strongest man should have used it in multiple occasions and yet he didn't. His health was severely effected and I think you're definitely downplaying his condition, and the effects it had on him.

 

[MickNerks]

The problem this thread makes is that it assumes that Yonko Commanders are far from the Yonko themselves, when this isn't quite the case. At least not in the examples you used.

Looking at Whitebeard against any of the three Admirals, it's obvious the Admirals were on his level and any of them could have beat him one on one. And yes, he was weakened, but there is zero evidence anything but Whitebeard's stamina and natural reaction speeds were affected by his old age. His Quakes, Haki, speed, physical strength, none of it was ever shown or stated to be weaker as a result of his age, and none of those things were an advantage against the Admirals any time he clashed with them except for one instance where he jumped Akainu(meaning, an invalid clash). While WB was the weakest of the Yonko, he was still one of the Yonko.

Oda has never portrayed the Yonko as above the Admirals.

Im sorry bro, but there does seem to be a gap in physical attributes (at the very least) between Yonko and Admiral.
One example I can give is LUFFY vs Fujitora in comparison to Luffy vs Big Mom.


When Luffy fought Fujitora, luffy was able to push him back a couple meters and/or yards with a Gear 3rd Punch:

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Yet, Luffy attacked Big Mom with a far more powerful Kong Gun and Big Mom didn't even flinch:

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There are other examples I could provide, for instance Kaido's durability and Strength feat and how it compares to Admirals. Also, Shanks blocking akainus attack with a sword and what appears to be no Haki. I would suggest that the manga has given us multiple examples of how the Yonko may be on a higher level than admirals.

But I suppose everyone may interpret things differently