[Discussion] Sanji cannot get stronger?

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What I mean is that he cannot get any stronger naturally.
Sanji doesn't have the natural growth potential like Luffy or Zoro so I think its safe to assume that Sanji is at his limit.

That's why Oda Niji gave Sanji the Raid suit. So that he catch up.
 

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What makes you think that he doesn't have that natural growth?

He posses the skills to push him forward, the will and the smarts. The thing he doesn't do (at least we haven't been shown) is train. He's too busy getting a certain some peoples panties ;)

I don't think he's hit his limit whatsoever and we've got more to see from him.
 

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What makes you think that he doesn't have that natural growth?

He posses the skills to push him forward, the will and the smarts. The thing he doesn't do (at least we haven't been shown) is train. He's too busy getting a certain some peoples panties ;)

I don't think he's hit his limit whatsoever and we've got more to see from him.
Then why did Oda give him a raid suit? Why didnt he have Sanji toss it away?
 

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Then why did Oda give him a raid suit? Why didnt he have Sanji toss it away?
I think Oda Gave Sanji the Raid Suit for the next Arc because he like everyone else will need more strength. Luffy had a very difficult time taking on 2 of Big Moms commanders. Wano is going to be an even more difficult place for all that are involved in my opinion. It Kaido, his 3 Calamities, all their subordinates, and the Shogun and all that follow him. Sanji and the crew wont have the chance to get stronger in the short time before they reach Wano. So he will have to use the Suit. But that doesn't mean he cant get stronger alone and wield the suit at the same time.

Its going to take The Strawhats, Kid Pirates, Heart Pirates, Hawkins Pirates, Air Pirates, Wano defectors, Zoro getting a new sword, and the entire grand fleet to even have a shot at defeating The Best Pirates. So any help is needed and welcomed in the story in my opinion.
 

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I think Oda did a good job explaining why a raid suit is just as much as a fair power-up as any other means of strength.

Where would Luffy be without his Devil Fruit, is that a fake power ? Or should Zoro fight without swords next time ? Is a sword less of a man made weapon than a raid suit ? Where do you draw the line ? At a gun, a laser or a climatact ?

Also him getting a raid suit means nothing about being unable to still develop himself inside the suit. But the real problem is probably you screaming that Ichiji is the strongest Vinsmoke for 2 years, and now when the playing field is leveled and the Vinsmokes are in the rearview mirror that is probably no longer the case.
 

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Wasn't greenbull said to be the strongest bounty hunter ever?
Nope

I think Oda did a good job explaining why a raid suit is just as much as a fair power-up as any other means of strength.

Where would Luffy be without his Devil Fruit, is that a fake power ? Or should Zoro fight without swords next time ? Is a sword less of a man made weapon than a raid suit ? Where do you draw the line ? At a gun, a laser or a climatact ?

Also him getting a raid suit means nothing about being unable to still develop himself inside the suit. But the real problem is probably you screaming that Ichiji is the strongest Vinsmoke for 2 years, and now when the playing field is leveled and the Vinsmokes are in the rearview mirror that is probably no longer the case.
Except Zoro can get stronger using any old sword be it a legendary samurai sword or some sword he bought from a random shop, he doesn't need any "special" sword.

Oda wanted Sanji to have a Raid suit because his 2 years of training was garbage. His 2 year training wont do shit in Wano.
Sanji is probably at his limit.
 
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Nope


Except Zoro can get stronger using any old sword be it a legendary samurai sword or some sword he bought from a random shop, he doesn't need any "special" sword.

Oda wanted Sanji to have a Raid suit because his 2 years of training was garbage. His 2 year training wont do shit in Wano.
Sanji is probably at his limit.
bullshit, a sword is still a sword. Trading it in for another sword does not help your argument. If you want to make the comparison right, you should ask yourself if Zoro's fighting capabilities get enhanced by using swords. Besides, it's clear that in the One Piece world there are swords that have something special about the. Zoro is clearly after those, every time he picks up a random sword for whatever reason they break. So he can't get stronger with any old sword. That's like saying any old raid suit in this comparison, it's still a battle enhancer, might not be latest model, still get's the job done.

You have no idea what the extent of Sanji's training was, it clearly helped him develop his skills and made him significantly stronger. From the entire crew being almost unable to take out 1 Pacifista to one shotting it. I'm glad you already know what will go down in Wano. If Sanji as third strongest in the crew won't be able to do shit in Wano I guess all the other Strawhats better should stay on the ship too. You're pretty dumb to say that Sanji is at his limit when the manga probably has like 8 years left to go. But I guess you don't care about shouting baseless stuff because it always comes back to bite you in the ass.

So what is the next move, back to posting on my profile again, like you do most of the times when you've lost an argument ?
 

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bullshit, a sword is still a sword. Trading it in for another sword does not help your argument. If you want to make the comparison right, you should ask yourself if Zoro's fighting capabilities get enhanced by using swords. Besides, it's clear that in the One Piece world there are swords that have something special about the. Zoro is clearly after those, every time he picks up a random sword for whatever reason they break. So he can't get stronger with any old sword. That's like saying any old raid suit in this comparison, it's still a battle enhancer, might not be latest model, still get's the job done.

You have no idea what the extent of Sanji's training was, it clearly helped him develop his skills and made him significantly stronger. From the entire crew being almost unable to take out 1 Pacifista to one shotting it. I'm glad you already know what will go down in Wano. If Sanji as third strongest in the crew won't be able to do shit in Wano I guess all the other Strawhats better should stay on the ship too. You're pretty dumb to say that Sanji is at his limit when the manga probably has like 8 years left to go. But I guess you don't care about shouting baseless stuff because it always comes back to bite you in the ass.

So what is the next move, back to posting on my profile again, like you do most of the times when you've lost an argument ?
A Pacifista is nothing. Him beating a Pacifista was impressive back then but now its nothing. The Pacifista are not even a threat anymore lmao. And the fact that you are using Sanji beating a Pacifista as an example clearly shows his 2 year training was garbage.

You have no other example to showcase his 2 year training huh? Oh you forgot to mention Sanji one shotting Bobbin! And dont forget Sanji beating Sheepshead! Those were some scary opponents that he beat and not at all fodder trash.

Yeah good job beating a Pacifista. The Calamities are up next.

Just admit Base Sanji is a fodder fighter and Oda gave him the Raid suit because he suddenly remembered the words "Monster Trio"
 

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I wished this never happened, I mean Sanji obtaining a Raid Suit. I understand that he wants to protect his beloved ones by his own strength, because he can't rely on alternative power that he doubts it guarantees his crew's safety.

If the suit's development depends on how higher Sanji can go in power, well, good for him. Consider we might have "The Sentry" of One Piece.
 

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A Pacifista is nothing. Him beating a Pacifista was impressive back then but now its nothing. The Pacifista are not even a threat anymore lmao. And the fact that you are using Sanji beating a Pacifista as an example clearly shows his 2 year training was garbage.

You have no other example to showcase his 2 year training huh? Oh you forgot to mention Sanji one shotting Bobbin! And dont forget Sanji beating Sheepshead! Those were some scary opponents that he beat and not at all fodder trash.

Yeah good job beating a Pacifista. The Calamities are up next.

Just admit Base Sanji is a fodder fighter and Oda gave him the Raid suit because he suddenly remembered the words "Monster Trio"
You're one thick son of a bitch, you can't even follow a simple line of argumentation.

You were the one that came up with his training during the timeskip was useless. I proved that he got significantly stronger, and you brush it off with nah, that doesn't count against that enemy. So that is where you're wrong already.

Then you keep ranting about the pacifista and other minor characters to distract from the fact that you didn't reply to a singe argument I made against your previous worthless post.

Lastly you want me to admit that base Sanji is fodder ? How does that work ? Where does that come from ? You said nothing and the part you said was wrong proven by the manga. Sanji got significantly stronger over the timeskip.

Also again, Sanji is the third strongest fighter in the crew. If Oda for whatever reason stops developing his power half way into the New World that would mean trouble for all of them especially the other 5 weaker Strawhats.

Base Sanji now got an upgrade, with the suit. Therefore establishing a new base as soon as he wears it. And he is the second biggest threat in the crew now. If Oda really forgotten about him he wouldn't have done that.

If you want to reply, please reply on the previous comment first. Not going to keep lecturing your dumb ass because you're too stubborn too read or to dumb to process it.

I wished this never happened, I mean Sanji obtaining a Raid Suit. I understand that he wants to protect his beloved ones by his own strength, because he can't rely on alternative power that he doubts it guarantees his crew's safety.

If the suit's development depends on how higher Sanji can go in power, well, good for him. Consider we might have "The Sentry" of One Piece.
So why not question the development of the Climatact, or isn't Franky depending too much on Cola ? Or what if Zoro's swords get stolen again by fairies ?

You can make that point about almost any character. The suit is just another power-up, in a long line of power-ups. This time it has science behind it and not some bullshit spin on your foot really fast logic. And suddenly it isn't actual power and you can't depend on it ?
 
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I think Oda did a good job explaining why a raid suit is just as much as a fair power-up as any other means of strength.

Where would Luffy be without his Devil Fruit, is that a fake power ? Or should Zoro fight without swords next time ? Is a sword less of a man made weapon than a raid suit ? Where do you draw the line ? At a gun, a laser or a climatact ?

Also him getting a raid suit means nothing about being unable to still develop himself inside the suit. But the real problem is probably you screaming that Ichiji is the strongest Vinsmoke for 2 years, and now when the playing field is leveled and the Vinsmokes are in the rearview mirror that is probably no longer the case.
Agree with you 100% you Shitty Chef.
 

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What I mean is that he cannot get any stronger naturally.
Sanji doesn't have the natural growth potential like Luffy or Zoro so I think its safe to assume that Sanji is at his limit.

That's why Oda Niji gave Sanji the Raid suit. So that he catch up.
I have to strongly disagree.

Firstly, in terms of needing a raid suit, Sanji is stronger than most his family with their raid suit. Sanji could have defeated Judge (with Judge wearing the raid suit) had judge not sacrificed the soldier which completely stunned sanji. Sanji also defeated Yonji who was wearing his raid suit at the time. So, Sanji has already shown that his strength is beyond that of his family already.

Secondly, to say Sanji cant get stronger Naturally is to dismiss his Haki. Sanji still has great potential to not only develop his observation haki more, but also take it to the next level (Like luffy and katakuri). Im not saying sanji will be able to see the future, but he could have some other observation haki that allows him to see thing at an extreme level. Also, sanji has yet to show any signs of Armandment Haki, which he should have.

Thirdly, Sanji has hundreds of recipes from Ivankov's chef that increase strength, stamina, and speed through cuisine. So, I would assume that there will be a time when he prepares a dish that increases all the StrawHats base stats.
 
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