[Question] Problems I have with the latest chapter

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Now I understand that we learned from WCI arc that Morgans manipulates the news to his hearts content and is sometimes used by 3rd parties for their own gain. And this is where one of my biggest gripes comes in... Much earlier in the story we saw the marines having a meeting to decide the bounties they would give out to the Strawhats. You can see "Marines" is written on Luffy's new bounty as if the news have got to the marines and back to Morgans with the new bounty amount. But if that were true you'd think that Coby would have heard about it and the recent events that have transpired. This suggests to me that Morgans has gone off on his own making the new bounty himself, along with the over exaggerated news that he had printed.

I'm slightly surprised to see everyone wholeheartedly accept everything from this chapter. It's just got this element of something being amiss. I really enjoyed catching up with old characters and the nostalgia and hype was there with the few panels we got of them, but with the new information we got coming from primarily a corrupt news company, it leaves me with just questions and the want for more clarified answers.

Something else that I really liked was Coby's reappearance. He seems to be more the adept with Observsation haki (and I presume Armament just due to Garp being his teacher)... But more importanly, the very minor comment from Kyros that seems to have been glossed over (or was just my translation that I read) of him seemingly sensing him before seeing him and sensing A BEAST... Maybe not as epic as that, but he could feel how strong he was and was surprised to see he was just some matured version of dweeb Coby xD

Also, 5th Emperor has emerged? It was said as if they were expecting this at some point, or there's not always been the yonko in the last 50 years. I feel it would have been referenced in some way at some point as general knowledge. I dunno, might just be translation problems that have got me in a bit of a tiff.

Also, going back to the bounties... I don't understand why they would just have two increase as a pose to their whole crew like always (except the first time, but that's different, they weren't notorious and well known then).

I almost want to predict that the bounties are made up by Morgans and real bounties are going to follow for the whole crew...

All in all I really enjoyed this chapter, it's just that I guess I'm not accepting its entirety as everyone else seems to be :O
 
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Dude just chill
You are overthinking too much
Maybe... And I was mainly venting what's been rattling in my head for the last couple of days (not even all of it :O) but I'm seeing more and more posts and videos since the chapter release that just seem to agree with everything rather than question.

Do you not have an inkling that somethings wrong? That somethings not quite right?
 

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At first I wanted to say no but I suppose it is possible Morgan wanted to run the story before any WG editing or something idk.

As for the 5th Emperor and the Yonkou I don't know that it was ever shown or suggested that Yonkou existed before Roger died. I know the pirates themselves did but idk about the titles.
 

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Morgans didn't make the bounty. The Marines made the bounty based on the report Morgans gave, which has several exeggerations and non-truths.
If that were true, why'd marines seem out of the loop? Surely it'd be big news (ayyyy) that would spread within the marines and yet Coby was unaware of the whole situation. Not to mention the time frame. The Raid suit was in Luffy's pocket, why he would wait so long to mention it is ridiculous, which makes me think the news has come very very rapidly. Once again looking at how they have previously discussed bounty increases, the marines hold a meeting. The time frame for everything to happen for a bounty increase and how sudden after escaping they have received the news makes me think that Morgan has made the bounty himself. And I hope and half predict (if correct of course) that there will be a panel of Akainu like "That damn Morgan going off on his own again" and then going on to say how he now has to stick with the bounty given or something.

The story goes that Luffy is the mastermind, the strength, the reasoning and the dominant victor... Absolutely nothing about his crew in the story so Sanji getting a bounty increase alone doesn't make sense. Other than his newly known affiliation with the Vinsmokes. Which I can completely agree with... But that wasn't mentioned as being the reason why.

Edit: Akainu even looks like the story is new to him?? Or is that just me...
 
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At first I wanted to say no but I suppose it is possible Morgan wanted to run the story before any WG editing or something idk.

As for the 5th Emperor and the Yonkou I don't know that it was ever shown or suggested that Yonkou existed before Roger died. I know the pirates themselves did but idk about the titles.
Considering he's amped up the story so much, I'm just surprised that no one stopped to think that maybe he's just gone off his own will..

And the 5th emperor, do you not think they would have talked about it at some point by this point in the story? Shikki was the only one that seemed to be a big shot and he just got labelled as hating Roger and losing a fight with him. Roger died 22 years ago, Robin would know if the Yonko were formed in her lifetime and how many there were... I just feel Oda has thrown a lot of info out there with a few holes in it.
 
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Morgans didn't make the bounty. The Marines made the bounty based on the report Morgans gave, which has several exeggerations and non-truths.
Nah go reread, the Marines gave luffy the bounty based on the sole fact he beat two commanders which he did
 
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You seem to think some large amount of marines huddle up and decide on bounties. From what we saw, it's just a goon and his superior.
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I'd bet the others aren't too different.
 
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Nah go reread, the Marines gave luffy the bounty based on the sole fact he beat two commanders which he did
It's not just the sweet commanders... The report says so much more that make Luffy more of a threat. It's the amalgamation of events that made his bounty increase so much.

You seem to think some large amount of marines huddle up and decide on bounties. From what we saw, it's just a goon and his superior.
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I'd bet the others aren't too different.
That was when he first became notorious. I highly doubt that some rat faced nobody is going to decide a billion berri increase... Plus, from that first bounty I was more referring to this.... ... They all got together in a meeting to decide on what his bounty will be and why the bounty is going ahead.

So I do think it would have taken some time... Not just someone saying "okay, this is his new bounty."
 

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We saw him beat katakuri by himself though... Why would you say that?
The whole thing with Flambe and each character taking a wound because of it. I'd say it wasn't the fairest of fights. Plus, I almost want to say that Katakuri was almost beaten by Luffy's will rather than his strength. I think he saw something and saw how much Luffy was fighting for it that struck Katakuri the most at the end.
 

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The whole thing with Flambe and each character taking a wound because of it. I'd say it wasn't the fairest of fights. Plus, I almost want to say that Katakuri was almost beaten by Luffy's will rather than his strength. I think he saw something and saw how much Luffy was fighting for it that struck Katakuri the most at the end.
it was fair, flambe gave kata an unfair edge and kata returned the favor to even out the fight. that's speclation at the end of the day regardless of each character's motivations luffy was the winner. Yea its a minute difference but we can safely say that luffy is approximately on kata's level.
 

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We saw him beat katakuri by himself though... Why would you say that?
The whole thing with Flambe and each character taking a wound because of it. I'd say it wasn't the fairest of fights. Plus, I almost want to say that Katakuri was almost beaten by Luffy's will rather than his strength. I think he saw something and saw how much Luffy was fighting for it that struck Katakuri the most at the end.
Basically. While Luffy had more endurance than Katakuri, I don't know if he'd have been able to put Katakuri down before Katakuri put him down without hitting that wound on his side. The wound took more out of Katakuri than it did Luffy imo
 

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It's not just the sweet commanders... The report says so much more that make Luffy more of a threat. It's the amalgamation of events that made his bounty increase so much.



That was when he first became notorious. I highly doubt that some rat faced nobody is going to decide a billion berri increase... Plus, from that first bounty I was more referring to this.... ... They all got together in a meeting to decide on what his bounty will be and why the bounty is going ahead.

So I do think it would have taken some time... Not just someone saying "okay, this is his new bounty."
No its because he beat two commanders his bounty increased so much lmfao go reread
 

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it was fair, flambe gave kata an unfair edge and kata returned the favor to even out the fight. that's speclation at the end of the day regardless of each character's motivations luffy was the winner. Yea its a minute difference but we can safely say that luffy is approximately on kata's level.
Not necessarily. Both fighters went in not fresh, one more so than the other. The wounds they had taken wouldn't have been completely identical and those were only taken due to a 3rd party. I think he's definitely up there with the likes of Yonko first mates, however not necessarily the strongest of them all. You can see this from him being unable to defeat Cracker alone and from his need to self improve to have a chance against Katakuri.

Do you really think the fight with Katakuri would go the same way if they fought in an open battlefield from the start, keeping the same parameters of neither one knowing the other's abilities and their physical states being the same? I don't think it would. Me personally, I think it would be a long drawn out fight that Katakuri would eventually put Luffy down. Very high diff. Now however, if Luffy was fresh from the start, I think his endurance would pull him through.

Basically. While Luffy had more endurance than Katakuri, I don't know if he'd have been able to put Katakuri down before Katakuri put him down without hitting that wound on his side. The wound took more out of Katakuri than it did Luffy imo
I'd agree, other than if/when Luffy also starts the fight off fresh.

No its because he beat two commanders his bounty increased so much lmfao go reread
Go reread? That's it...... Assasination plot of ex-shichibukai, 2 supernova and vinsmokes on 1 of the yonko,"They say Luffy is the ring leader" xD There's so much more than "beat two commanders"...

Here: "According to our inside source, Strawhat Luffy had already placed 7 powerful crews under his command, and is now a grand captain with over 5000 subordinates that answer to him. He has attracted much attention....... He roped together organizations like the armies of evil, The Germa 66, The Sun Pirates and The Firetank pirates on the spot with his extraordinary charisma and leadership abilities. His mind devised and executed a plot to destroy the Queen's castle. He possessed the strength to best commanders.... THE FIFTH EMPEROR OF THE SEAS HAS APPEARED!

I think there's a little more that's warranted him the bounty increase and shows he's a greater threat than before other than besting the 2 commanders.
 

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Not necessarily. Both fighters went in not fresh, one more so than the other. The wounds they had taken wouldn't have been completely identical and those were only taken due to a 3rd party. I think he's definitely up there with the likes of Yonko first mates, however not necessarily the strongest of them all. You can see this from him being unable to defeat Cracker alone and from his need to self improve to have a chance against Katakuri.

Do you really think the fight with Katakuri would go the same way if they fought in an open battlefield from the start, keeping the same parameters of neither one knowing the other's abilities and their physical states being the same? I don't think it would. Me personally, I think it would be a long drawn out fight that Katakuri would eventually put Luffy down. Very high diff. Now however, if Luffy was fresh from the start, I think his endurance would pull him through.



I'd agree, other than if/when Luffy also starts the fight off fresh.



Go reread? That's it...... Assasination plot of ex-shichibukai, 2 supernova and vinsmokes on 1 of the yonko,"They say Luffy is the ring leader" xD There's so much more than "beat two commanders"...

Here: "According to our inside source, Strawhat Luffy had already placed 7 powerful crews under his command, and is now a grand captain with over 5000 subordinates that answer to him. He has attracted much attention....... He roped together organizations like the armies of evil, The Germa 66, The Sun Pirates and The Firetank pirates on the spot with his extraordinary charisma and leadership abilities. His mind devised and executed a plot to destroy the Queen's castle. He possessed the strength to best commanders.... THE FIFTH EMPEROR OF THE SEAS HAS APPEARED!

I think there's a little more that's warranted him the bounty increase and shows he's a greater threat than before other than besting the 2 commanders.
He beat crocodile. He got a higher bounty than croc. His bounty was increased because he beat two commanders. He beat katakurier so his bounty is higher than katas lmao are you ok?

All that extra bs is specifically why he is a Yonko, go reread. The whole Germa shit and all that is the reason they made him yonko.

When his bounty is increased they talk about the commanders. When they made him yonko they talked about everything you posted

Commonsense
 
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Now I understand that we learned from WCI arc that Morgans manipulates the news to his hearts content and is sometimes used by 3rd parties for their own gain. And this is where one of my biggest gripes comes in... Much earlier in the story we saw the marines having a meeting to decide the bounties they would give out to the Strawhats. You can see "Marines" is written on Luffy's new bounty as if the news have got to the marines and back to Morgans with the new bounty amount. But if that were true you'd think that Coby would have heard about it and the recent events that have transpired. This suggests to me that Morgans has gone off on his own making the new bounty himself, along with the over exaggerated news that he had printed.
Morgans is an archetypical "sensational" news reporter, to him this whole situation was the equivalent of reaching Nirvana, so yeah it's not really surprising he wrote the article in such a way it would have the most impact. That doesn't take away though that nearly everything he said was true. The only thing that was wrong, was that he assumed all of this had been carefully planned by Luffy, while in reality it was mostly improvisation and luck. But don't forget Morgans was a witness of several of these events, with other words when it comes to the credibility of sources, it can't get any better than that and to many people it will have definitely looked like it happened how Morgans described it.

Yeah he could have been hypercritical, more reserved and have used more terms like "possibly" and "likely", only that would make everything rather boring and long. You have scientific journals for that, not newspapers.

Also hyping Luffy doesn't help the WG and by discrediting BM, he seriously pissed her off. So which third parties exactly? Yeah he has got underworld connections, but that's not really unusual even in the real world. You don't get the best stories by waiting behind your desk, you get them by pushing boundaries.

To be honest I like how this all was portrayed as it gives a rather accurate image of how it works in the real world. Yes Morgans isn't the most integer character around, but honestly when dealing with information objectivism/subjectivism isn't that black/white as most people think it is.

In regards to the bounties, the Marines have hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of people under their command. Do you think that all of them are involved in the making of bounties or are notified by new ones immediately? Even if two characters have the same rank, it doesn't mean they have the same duties and even if that was the case, you can easily assume Cody was occupied with his task of escorting royals. Honestly I find a bit weird that you call that one of your biggest gripes while it's a rather mundane thing that's easily explainable.

You can say a lot of things about Morgans, but that he would make fake bounties that are perfectly justified either way, is a rather pointless thing to do.

I'm slightly surprised to see everyone wholeheartedly accept everything from this chapter. It's just got this element of something being amiss. I really enjoyed catching up with old characters and the nostalgia and hype was there with the few panels we got of them, but with the new information we got coming from primarily a corrupt news company, it leaves me with just questions and the want for more clarified answers.
Because it's not a corrupt news company, at least not in the way and magnitude you portray it to be. I mean to whom is it corrupt? Not Big Mom and not the Marines. Didn't Luffy fought together with Bege, Sun Pirates and Germa 66? Didn't Jinbei join the Strawhats? Didn't Luffy beat a 800m and 1b bounty? Didn't he challenge Big Mom, was part of an assassination attempt and got away with it all? Doesn't Luffy have seven crews under him for a total of 5000 subordinates? When they showed Bartolomeo and Cavendish, the people they were talking to were reporters. Morgans actually rather thorough as on top of what he witnessed himself he sought out alternative sources.

So I don't really get what you think is amiss. We know what happened, we know how Morgans interpreted the events and he was rather accurate, not completely, but no article is and I think most people really don't mind that he gave Luffy that much credit.

Something else that I really liked was Coby's reappearance. He seems to be more the adept with Observsation haki (and I presume Armament just due to Garp being his teacher)... But more importanly, the very minor comment from Kyros that seems to have been glossed over (or was just my translation that I read) of him seemingly sensing him before seeing him and sensing A BEAST... Maybe not as epic as that, but he could feel how strong he was and was surprised to see he was just some matured version of dweeb Coby xD
It has been explained before that most people tend to have an affinity for either the CoO or CoA. Coby is special in the sense that he unlocked his CoO by shock therapy and then had to learn to control it, while with most people it's something that happens gradually over time and it was rather obvious that Coby's CoO was powerful and that that's his specialty.

Kyros is strong to the point he can be called a beast, something he considers himself as such. This isn't anything new as this was elaborated on extensively during the Dresrossa arc. So the interaction between Kyros and Coby was not something we didn't know already.

Also, 5th Emperor has emerged? It was said as if they were expecting this at some point, or there's not always been the yonko in the last 50 years. I feel it would have been referenced in some way at some point as general knowledge. I dunno, might just be translation problems that have got me in a bit of a tiff.
As I said Morgans loves sensation. What he employed was simply a trick sensational reporters use: present a prediction as a reality. He clearly said in the previous chapter that he was making a prediction, but explicitly stating it like that in the newspaper lacks impact. If Luffy indeed becomes an emperor, Morgans can put that as a feather on his head as being the person who proclaimed him as emperor first. If Luffy would fail, well then he can just explain he meant it as a strong possibility, which isn't even a real lie as at this point Luffy indeed has almost all the requirements for it: territory, subordinate crews, infamous reputation and lets not forget his lineage. If you then add the reality he challenged another Yonkou successfully, well what else do you have to do to get some recognition?

Yes as BB pointed out he isn't there yet, but don't forget that the title of emperor is not something given by an official instance nor has it a fixed amount, it's something people start calling you gradually for a state of affairs that's already existing. Immediately after Marineford there was talk of people seeing BB as an emperor, but it's only after he defeated Marco he could consolidate that position. Now if Luffy would defeat Kaidou during the Wano arc, I think there's little doubt that Morgans statement will become universally accepted.

Also, going back to the bounties... I don't understand why they would just have two increase as a pose to their whole crew like always (except the first time, but that's different, they weren't notorious and well known then).

I almost want to predict that the bounties are made up by Morgans and real bounties are going to follow for the whole crew...

All in all I really enjoyed this chapter, it's just that I guess I'm not accepting its entirety as everyone else seems to be :O
At Dressrosa everyone's bounty got increased because they hadn't changed in two years. Now in the case of Zoro and certainly in the cases of Usopp and Luffy, their bounties are the results of the extraordinary feats they preformed at Dresrossa. With the rest it really was more because their bounties were just outdated.

Compared to WCI, Dresrossa was peanuts. Just beating Dogtooth alone warranted getting a bounty of over 1b purely because Dogtooth's own bounty was that high. Add everything else Luffy did to that and his bounty is perfectly justifiable. That he just got an increase, makes little difference as that's how huge the consequences are of WCI.

And in regards to Sanji, his bounty had been tempered with either way. Now that it has been revealed he's a Vinsmoke, it's likewise justifiable to increase his bounty. The Marines have to consider the possibility that via Sanji the Strawhats and the Germa 66 form an alliance. This is also how Sanji interpreted his new bounty, though not all scanlation groups translated it as such.

For all the others there was no reason to increase it yet again as half of the Strawhats weren't there and most of the ones who were, didn't do anything of the level it was needed.

No the bounties aren't made up.
 

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He beat crocodile. He got a higher bounty than croc. His bounty was increased because he beat two commanders. He beat katakurier so his bounty is higher than katas lmao are you ok?

All that extra bs is specifically why he is a Yonko, go reread. The whole Germa shit and all that is the reason they made him yonko.

When his bounty is increased they talk about the commanders. When they made him yonko they talked about everything you posted

Commonsense
Are you for real? After he beat Crocodile the marines made it look like they stopped him. The world didn't know the full efforts of the Strawhats in saving that kingdom and taking down a Shichibukai. And if you're going by your logic, then why such an increase? Why wouldn't it be a bit more than Katakuri's instead of the near 500 mil? And you can say it's due to both commanders because then he'd bordering 2 bil.

They talked about it all together. A bounty signifies ones threat against the World Government, whether that be due to strength, knowledge, power, status whatever. It's not just strength alone and that's quite clearly not the reason alone why Luffy got his bounty increase.

You're consecutively blind to what's in front of you and I can't help but think you're a troll :/...
 
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