Cannon Man!!!! Luffy will inflate his forearms and shins to create identical giant cannon balls with arms and legs. It will highly likely prevent Luffy from taking a hit in the head or torso due to the inflated arms and legs. Imbedded with armament haki of course. More blown up then bounce man. Because his torso and head area will be normal size. But will be more costly to him than other forms cause it uses more haki. He can place his back against a wall or on the ground and use his feet and arms as a means of a gattaling gun. being more powerful.
[Theory] Luffy's most powerful Gear 4th form
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Rikudou Tobi
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That would be cool to turn into ans inanimate object next. From what we've seens G4 became
His next trip is the Wano arc so maybe he's gonna be TigerMan?
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, and lastly his current strongest
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. I personally feel like the next one is gonna be an animal such as a Eagle or a Tiger or maybe even a Ox. His next trip is the Wano arc so maybe he's gonna be TigerMan?
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I'm not fully sure what you're suggesting here... Think the explanation isn't quite reaching me as you're intending it too. And the bits I did get, I have questions on.
Why does it require more haki?
Feet and arms as gattling? He's inflated his shins and forearems, isn't this going to just be elephant gattling?
@Bold - LOL! What makes you think that? Why do people just see the latest something from a character and automatically think that it's the best and most powerful... I think you're just using ABC logic and I can only assume your reply and reasoing is going to be doing the same :/
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Uhh lol no :| Drop the condescending act and refrain from any baseless assumption. The reason why SnakeMan is considered the strongest so far is because not only does it increase its speed but it maintains its strength from BounceMan.
The same
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.The fact that Luffy needed to give up his resiliency because he was reduced down in size as Snakeman is made up in speed as Snakeman increasing his evasiveness without much resilience as Bounceman. Mobility and strength is stronger or better than Strength plus toughness without mobility, and that's the problem with BounceMan even more so TankMan.
BounceMan has to bounce around to get to his targets while Snakeman can just run circles around his opponent with the same amount of output of power. The only time you'll see BounceMan with a way stronger output of power than SnakeMan is when he uses
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, but with SnakMan's mobility and better Observation Haki, that won't be a problem to evade.
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It's not condescending to have an opinion and it's not baseless when you have reasoning... Just didn't ramble on into why unless you actually proved my point sooo
Sorry, what do these show? You showed 1 panel where a culverin hit and another panel where a different culverin didn't hit? They can't be used as they don't show power comparison. And why does 1 move (culverin) have to be the base reason for which form is stronger? It's quite clear that Bounceman has greater power output, whilst Snakeman preferred speed. Also, Snakeman bounces too doesn't he? I distinctly remember seeing Snakeman still bouncing his feet off the ground.
You're somehow basing your comment on how Bounceman isn't mobile. It's one of his most mobile forms, he can't use skywalk when in Bounceman... He's not literally got the whole sky now too, how is Bounceman not mobile?
Already referred to this earlier, I think Snakeman still has to bounce at some degree. But Bounceman just shoots at targets, it's primarily when he's just bouncing on the spot waiting for his next move is when he bounces. And a greater output of power only with King Kong Gun
just kong gun alone is stronger than Snakeman... Instead of giving me panels of Doffy, a character that hasn't had both forms used against him, try Katakuri. There's clear evidence that Snakeman doesn't give as much power as Bounceman haha
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Snake Man visibly produces less power than Bounce Man. Every blow from Bounce Man sent Katakuri flying further than the furthest Snake Man sent him flying, and several of Snake Man's blows didn't even move him from the spot he was standing in when they landed.It's not condescending to have an opinion and it's not baseless when you have reasoning... Just didn't ramble on into why unless you actually proved my point sooo
Sorry, what do these show? You showed 1 panel where a culverin hit and another panel where a different culverin didn't hit? They can't be used as they don't show power comparison. And why does 1 move (culverin) have to be the base reason for which form is stronger? It's quite clear that Bounceman has greater power output, whilst Snakeman preferred speed. Also, Snakeman bounces too doesn't he? I distinctly remember seeing Snakeman still bouncing his feet off the ground.
You're somehow basing your comment on how Bounceman isn't mobile. It's one of his most mobile forms, he can't use skywalk when in Bounceman... He's not literally got the whole sky now too, how is Bounceman not mobile?
Already referred to this earlier, I think Snakeman still has to bounce at some degree. But Bounceman just shoots at targets, it's primarily when he's just bouncing on the spot waiting for his next move is when he bounces. And a greater output of power only with King Kong Gun
Rikudou Tobi thinks that Snake Man is stronger for some retarded reason, but none of the G4 forms are "stronger" than the other. Each form has strengths and weaknesses, making them good for certain situations and bad for others. Like Bounce Man wasn't effective on Katakuri but was effective on Doffy, and by the same measure, Snake Man wouldn't be effective on Doffy the same way it was on Katakuri.
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PRECISELY! I get opinions and predictions... But when someone thinks something is a fact that so blatantly isn't time and time again, post after post it just gets more infuriated... Like sheesh! Why can't you understand?? :/
Rikudou Tobi
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It is condescending to laugh when you think your opinion is right and it's baseless to push your opinion as a fact without any manga evidence. So you were rambling on because you proved to me absolutely nothing but your opinion.
No, use your head. Both scans show that both BounceMan and SnakeMan used the same technique: Python despite the changing transformations like I said before.
@Bold: This is your opinion that's based off of no facts whatsoever. It's quite clear that Snakman and Bounce have the same output of power because they used the same move with the same results. The only factual difference is that one is speed while the other is resilience.
You don't see the same moves being used twice and expect the 1st one to be stronger than the 2nd time he uses it.
BounceMan does not use skywalk :lol
He uses his elasticity to repel himself in the air, and this is a trick that even base luffy can do through a
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method. In the end of the day his travel method is limited and he's gonna need time to not ricochet his legs back and forth in the air.
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1. Well you're wrong because he bounces around to get to his opponents to land an attack just like he did Doffy:
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2. Wrong again. Snakeman has enough mobility to run on the ground. The only reason why you can barely tell is because he's dashing really fast after every attack
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And a greater output of power only with King Kong Gun
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, especially after what Snakeman's power did to Dogtooth.There is no clear evidence of BounceMan being stronger, in fact Dogtooth tanked all his attacks. So you just look even more stupid with this baseless ass comment. Why don't you get up on your ass and prove to me using the manga on how Bounceman's attacks are stronger instead of confirming your claims with opinions. Just prove it. Saying " There's clear evidence that Snakeman doesn't give as much power as Bounceman haha," without showing me your evidence is just you talking really stupid right now :lol
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I hope this retarded idiot who thinks Doflamingo is stronger than Dogtooth and Urouge being stronger than Luffy isn't saying my reasoning is retarded? Unless your as illiterate as you are illogical, you can clearly see posted 3 pages supporting my claim.
Just because your an idiot spends his time reading Rikerpiece instead of Onepiece, doesn't mean you have a say in any of this.
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Never said this. In fact, I said the opposite: That Katakuri has greater power and is superior in other fields, but appears to be someone that can't handle long battles, so people with high endurance are bad news for him.
The only panels you linked are of Snake Man and Bounce Man sharing a name between techniques, ignoring that every Bounce Man hit sent Katakuri flying while Katakuri took several Snake Man hits and didn't even budge from his location.
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My opinion is right?? I just said yours was wrong and gave a reason why... Your basis really is that Doffy < Bounceman < Katakuri < Snakeman therefor Snakeman > Bounceman. Which just isn't true.
Yes, the basis of the technique is the same, however they are quite clearly different. Just look at his fist positioning. So already they're not 100% comparative. Next, you have a different opponent. They are used on different opponents, resulting in the reaction of any hit being different. The parameters of what you're saying are too wildly different for you to state that one form is stronger than the other in the way that you are.
I used Skywalk just so that I didn't have to describe what he does you muppet, and the panel that you're showing is not what he's doing at all haha. He quite obviously uses he elasticity to propel himself... But good job on picking out a bit of irrelevance without refuting the fact that he now has the whole air space for combat more readily at his disposal than before :drip:
I meant he doesn't bounce a step at a time... Obviously he propels himself around in G4, but that doesn't impede his mobility. Have you seen how blitzy he is?? Shouldn't take much to realise that. And once again the panel you show is useless. He attacks with Rhino Shneider and as I mentioned he will bounce between attacks, before he makes his next move. But you can see that when he wants to he will consecutively make attacks with none of this bounce time. Indicating that his mobility isn't impaired.
You keep banging on about show proof and use panels. Why do I have to provide manga pages to such blatant moments from the story... If I know something, it's your job to disprove me. Which you have tried so hard with all your panels but the majority are useless and don't back up what you're saying.
Luffy have just made an attack, and that panel you show shows him landing on 1 foot and in the next page he propels himself into another attack. That could 100% technically be a bounce similar to Bounceman transitioning from 1 attack to another. If you can show me on multiple occasiong Luffy either standing still or running than please, be my guest. But don't come with half assed panels like that that don't prove jack.
What did it do to Dogtooth exactly? It got off a few hits before Katakuri understood how Luffy was hitting him and then continued his wreckage on Luffy. It's only after a more gruesome brawl out that they then had the deciding blow.
There is no clear evidence of BounceMan being stronger, in fact Dogtooth tanked all his attacks. So you just look even more stupid with this baseless ass comment. Why don't you get up on your ass and prove to me using the manga on how Bounceman's attacks are stronger instead of confirming your claims with opinions. Just prove it. Saying " There's clear evidence that Snakeman doesn't give as much power as Bounceman haha," without showing me your evidence is just you talking really stupid right now :lol
...... Well proof. Here it is my simple minded friend.
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looks like a slap on KatakuriBounceman:
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A single Kong Gun send Katakuri FLYINGPlease, oh please! Show me just how Snakeman is on par power wise. I'll be waiting with a brew *_*
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You didn't give my a reason why, all you did was state an opinion:
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1. The positioning of the attack has nothing to do with how different the power output is, and neither does that prove anything.
2. Both attacks landed on Doflamingo and Dogtooth so the reaction is the same. Both their heads jerked back, even Dogtooth had his hands up (unlike Dofy) and he was still right through a pillar in the mirror world.
@bold: Learn how to read you dumbass :|
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Luffy has more air space in Dressrosa, he's outside after all so what you're saying doesn't make sense at all. :lol
They literally took the fight to the sky (Dofy's advantage), so good job in making yourself look even more stupid than you did before. XD
I specifically posted the 2nd and 3rd scan of Luffy bouncing around all over the place instead of flying through conventional means yet you're still to stupid and blind to see that Luffy cannot repel-fly for a long time. So obviously you're wrong once again.
So I'll do it again and you better not fail to see it this time. I'll make it easier and crop it out:
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." If you fail to see it this close then there's no helping you.
That's not my job you idiot. My job is to back up everything I say with the manga and your job is to back up everything you say with proof (manga). The absence of evidence is no evidence at all.
You don't disprove an opinion it doesn't work that way because an opinion is your bias outlook on the situation.
Even a 5 year old can tell the difference but apparently you failed to develop this common sense. You don't go to the court of law as a prosecutor and tell the defendant that they had to prove it to them that he/she didn't attack me, that's the prosecutor's job to prove that the event happened otherwise the judge would just throw the case out.
So back up your claims or stfu and take these facts that I just posted.
That's called dashing you idiot. Luffy is running towards Dogtooth obviously, before jumping towards Dogtooth, otherwise everyone in onepiece would be considered flying. This isn't motion pictures, this is common sense.
BounceMan can't even stand on one foot, he has to move by bouncing on his back. You don't get faster by bouncing faster so again you just look so damn stupid.
This senile dolt wants to compare a different technique to another?Well I'll entertain this feeble minded idiot with something rather interesting.
Bounceman punches Dogtooth through a pillar:
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SnakeMan punches Dogtooth through a pillar the same way BounceMan did:
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XD Good job in making yourself look dumb again.
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Just Snake Man being smaller should lead you to the conclusion that it's weaker. With the way Luffy's gears work, he's always gone bigger for more power. Literally every strike from Bound Man sends Kata flying, and there's numerous times where Snake Man doesn't even push Kata's feet back.
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I stated you're using ABC logic, which you are. I then said how you are. How is there not reason in what I said?
Do you not know how a punch works? You're awfully quick to throw around the stupid card when in reality......... People shouldn't throw stones in glass houses dude. If you have ever done the slightest bit of martial arts, you'd know how the positioning of a fist changes the punch. Typically, the second knuckle towards the end of your finger have been used to 'puncture' weak points in the body. It's much different than a normal fist. I mean, just look aerodynamically, Snakeman is going to have less air resistance = a faster punch = a different force. So you really are comparing two different punches in the first place.
I can read just fine... Maybe you should. Obviously I was reiterating what you had said to clarify that I in fact was already aware of what you said. Which was the point of that part of my reply. So well done you sir.
And doesn't matter where the battle is, the point is that G4 allows Luffy to take his battles to the sky as and when he feels like, allowing for an exponential increase in mobility. So you saying he mobility decreases is Bounceman is just down right silly.
He's now able to fly, are you being serious? And of course that G4 form is going to involve bouncing around, the damn thing is called BOUNCE/BOUNDman. When did I ever say he doesn't bounce at all? But just because he's bouncing doesn't necessarily mean it decreases his mobility. He gains so much more from it than he loses, how's that so hard to see?
A judge is now a 3rd party, so you've already changed the situation from ours so that's not a good comparative. You're the one that posts a picture that doesn't show what it is you're claiming and say that's proof? you've shown me stuff and I've told you why you're wrong... If it's something so blatantly obvious, I don't think there's always the need to go digging for pages. You literally showed Doffy being hit by culverin in Bounceman and then Katakuri dodging a culverin from Snakeman and said that their power is the same
Just doesn't look like a normal dash to me... And he might be able to stand normal in Snakeman.. Just thought it's not been fully shown yet as most the time he's somewhat off his feet. I hope he doesn't have to bounce, not the biggest of fans of it.
What does it matter what technique you compare? You're the one saying that Snakeman is better than Bounceman due to being faster whilst being able to keep the same power. So whether I say Kong gun, Rhino Shneider or King Kong Gun, it shouldn't matter because you're saying Snakeman is as powerful? So you calling me out as some "dolt" that's comparing different techniques between forms in an argument about the TWO different forms is actually perfectly in order. So nicely going on being on the slow side whilst making out just what an asshole you are. And that's all your own doing :drip:
Well I'll entertain this feeble minded idiot with something rather interesting.
Bounceman punches Dogtooth through a pillar:
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SnakeMan punches Dogtooth through a pillar the same way BounceMan did:
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XD Good job in making yourself look dumb again.
As for your final pictures, you can quite clearly see Kong Gun has a greater effect on Katakuri. How can you not see that like everyone else with more than 3 brain cells. He hits Katakuri multiple times and it's not nearly got as much as an effect. And the panel you supplied, he blocks it with eases and springs up with 0 downtime. You can quite clearly see that he felt Kong Gun and it did have an effect.
Stop replying with posts that aren't relevant to what it is I AM actually saying. You keep adding more to the conversation and straying from the original point.
You think Snakeman has the same strength as Bounceman, but that's just not true. You can't just take 1 technique from both forms and compare them if you're going to say one form is better than the other. You have to take the whole form, all their attacks, strengths and weaknesses to come to an answer and Snakeman doesn't come out on top in an actual fair comparison. What you're doing is just abc logic as I stated you would.
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I'm not using abc logic :| And there is no reason on your opinion. You're just making stupid assumptions all over again.
I've done wrestling including jiu jitsu in highschool and recently I've been doing kickboxing on the weekends. If there is anything I know definitely know more than you is martial arts. The last thing you should question me about is martial arts that's for damn sure. Especially when my switch kicks would drop you to the ground so fast that it's not even funny. XDAnyways. The positioning for knuckle punch is hardly reliable3 considering the fact that Luffy's knuckle punch is being propelled by ricochet in every corner. So you can hardly gauge the power each punch or apply it to real life scenario, the only thing you can do is measure it by its results on the opponent.
No you weren't. You outright said that nothing I said was correct in which I pointed out that you just repeated my point with a vaguer dialect.
And once again, you're wrong because just like I pointed out in the manga pages is that Luffy can only spring in the air for a limited amount of time. That's why he was bouncing all around the city.
You're really that dumb are you? :|
I said that he can't fly for long and the manga shows that he's not able to. The fact that he has to bounce to get around does mean that he lacks mobility because he would be faster moving on his feet. It's impossible to "bounce" any faster, because the harder you bounce the longer it takes to comeback down. The fact that Snakeman is faster than BounceMan just make everything else you are arguing about useless.
This excuse is just useless. In an arguing or a debate, you need evidence to back up your claim. I posted scans of Snakeman and BounceMan using same move and the second time I posted a scan of different moves showing the same output of power, to say that it's not backing up my claim is just your utter stupidity.A judge is now a 3rd party, so you've already changed the situation from ours so that's not a good comparative. You're the one that posts a picture that doesn't show what it is you're claiming and say that's proof? you've shown me stuff and I've told you why you're wrong... If it's something so blatantly obvious, I don't think there's always the need to go digging for pages. You literally showed Doffy being hit by culverin in Bounceman and then Katakuri dodging a culverin from Snakeman and said that their power is the same
What's blatantly obvious is that SnakeMan has shown the same power output as BounceMan did but you're also so dumb to see that yourself.
The funny part is that you claiming Dogtooth dodged Python is just stupid because the attack landed on him after the chase. Even Doflamingo did the same thing Dogtooth did during the very first time Python was introduced. How senile is your brain, really? XD
Well that's your problem because you see clearly see Luffy charging towards Dogtooth with at least one foot touching the ground. The reason why he's faster in the first place is because he can actually run/dash with his feat and not bounce everywhere.
Anyways you can clearly see Luffy standing on his two feet:
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In the end of the day, the two separate yielded the same results regardless of whatever your excuse is. And you're the asshole for starting this all, if you would talk in a civilized manner then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
Are you dumb? It took one Python to punch him through the pillar just like it did BounceMan. Even Bounce man
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punches.And Dogtooth also sprang back up with 0 effort against BounceMan too:
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The fact that you couldn't see a depleted SnakeMan Luffy yielding the same results as BounceMan is just laughable.
Like what? Everything I said is and was on topic
I used 1 attack as an example which you failed to comprehend, the only thing you've been doing is giving excuses without using any manga page to back up any of your opinions. I'm not using abc logic and you still failed to prove that Snakeman is weaker. All you did is repeat that it is obvious without showing which part of it is obvious. And then when I show you an example of one attack, you argue that it's one attack and that you need more. You'r failing in everything you believe to be true and you still remain stubbornly opinionated.
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Rikudo tobi looks like he has no life. His posts are literally half insults. Angry much? You're wrong about one g4 being stronger than another. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and you're wrongggggggg
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Sorry Mr hardman, martial arts expert, don't mess with me.... Chill out with the kung fu talk sheesh. If you do all of what you say you do then you really should be able to comprehend that how you position your fist for a punch can drastically change it's force or intended purpose.I'm not using abc logic :| And there is no reason on your opinion. You're just making stupid assumptions all over again.
Anyways. The positioning for knuckle punch is hardly reliable3 considering the fact that Luffy's knuckle punch is being propelled by ricochet in every corner. So you can hardly gauge the power each punch or apply it to real life scenario, the only thing you can do is measure it by its results on the opponent.
No you weren't. You outright said that nothing I said was correct in which I pointed out that you just repeated my point with a vaguer dialect.
And once again, you're wrong because just like I pointed out in the manga pages is that Luffy can only spring in the air for a limited amount of time. That's why he was bouncing all around the city.
You're really that dumb are you? :|
I said that he can't fly for long and the manga shows that he's not able to. The fact that he has to bounce to get around does mean that he lacks mobility because he would be faster moving on his feet. It's impossible to "bounce" any faster, because the harder you bounce the longer it takes to comeback down. The fact that Snakeman is faster than BounceMan just make everything else you are arguing about useless.
This excuse is just useless. In an arguing or a debate, you need evidence to back up your claim. I posted scans of Snakeman and BounceMan using same move and the second time I posted a scan of different moves showing the same output of power, to say that it's not backing up my claim is just your utter stupidity.
What's blatantly obvious is that SnakeMan has shown the same power output as BounceMan did but you're also so dumb to see that yourself.
The funny part is that you claiming Dogtooth dodged Python is just stupid because the attack landed on him after the chase. Even Doflamingo did the same thing Dogtooth did during the very first time Python was introduced. How senile is your brain, really? XD
Well that's your problem because you see clearly see Luffy charging towards Dogtooth with at least one foot touching the ground. The reason why he's faster in the first place is because he can actually run/dash with his feat and not bounce everywhere.
Anyways you can clearly see Luffy standing on his two feet:
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In the end of the day, the two separate yielded the same results regardless of whatever your excuse is. And you're the asshole for starting this all, if you would talk in a civilized manner then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
Are you dumb? It took one Python to punch him through the pillar just like it did BounceMan. Even Bounce manYou must be registered for see linkspunches.
And Dogtooth also sprang back up with 0 effort against BounceMan too:
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The fact that you couldn't see a depleted SnakeMan Luffy yielding the same results as BounceMan is just laughable.
Like what? Everything I said is and was on topic
I used 1 attack as an example which you failed to comprehend, the only thing you've been doing is giving excuses without using any manga page to back up any of your opinions. I'm not using abc logic and you still failed to prove that Snakeman is weaker. All you did is repeat that it is obvious without showing which part of it is obvious. And then when I show you an example of one attack, you argue that it's one attack and that you need more. You'r failing in everything you believe to be true and you still remain stubbornly opinionated.
Let me make this simple, because you add more and more to my replies without hitting home on what I was saying.
You've stated that Snakeman is better than Bounceman.... I have stated that's incorrect. You have then shown the same technique (to some degree) being used in both forms and have based your opinion off of this. Now, if you're saying 1 form is better than the other, then you take all of their techniques, not just single one out for comparison and choose the victor over that.
Now Bounceman, irrefutably has shown more display of force than Snakeman. To compare this fairly, we should take an instance where both forms have been used against the same opponent. Now obviously we have to look at the fight with Katakuri. Snakemans first punch, the one that caught Katakuri off guard the most would surely have been a devastating blow and instead, Katakuri brushed it off with ease without even taking a step from the spot he was on.
Another instance is the downright brawl of swinging punches from Snakeman, that was a simple punch for punch, hit for hit that neither of them seemed to really move from their brawling spot.
Now, you've shown that there was a hit from Snakeman that propelled Katakuri through the air and through a pillar. But if you look at the panel you so graciously provided, Katakuri has blocked it with ease, you can tell he's not feeling the impact of it as the force isn't strong enough to go through his own haki defence. With Katakuri swiftly getting up in no time flat.
So, from the Bounceman side of things, we have a Kong Gun that sends Katakuri flying, with a close up of his face showing that Kong Gun wasn't just packing Luffy's armament haki, but incredible impact too. With his face showing strain. The next panel, as he's sent flying you can see his body flailing around and that his defence has just been smashed through that he's lost control to keep any sort of stance... Too 2 pages later him taking another punch and his defence absolutely comprimised, Luffy wails him again, to which this produced blood to come out his mouth (
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) to Rhino Shneider then giving him no time to react (showing good mobility with chain of attacks)
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and once again sending him flying... With so much force that to prevent his back hitting the ground, Katakuri goes so far to smash his head off the ground to avoid that happening as that was his only choice given his circumstances.Now this was a more fresher Katakuri than later on and although the same can be said for Luffy, Katakuri is clearly the one in better health at this time.
All in all, it should be quite obvious that Snakeman doesn't show as much power output as Bounceman, especially in terms of brute force. Now Snakeman has it's advantages over Bounceman, that's for sure. But in no way is it superior overall than Bounceman, just as it's also not inferior to Bounceman overall.
Each one is better than the other situationally and I shouldn't really have to tell you something like this... You'd think with someone as stupid as me knowing something so blatantly obvious, then surely you would too right?
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I think that 4th gear is like an incomplete transformation of the real form that Luffy will get.
I mean, he has 3 forms with gear 4th. Snake man which is speed power, the first one which is power, and tank man which is defense.
All these forms, once mastered Luffy will be able to join all the properties in one form which will be his final form.
These are like Super Sayajin states before Super Sayajin 2. They needed to master all the states before SSJ 2.
I mean, he has 3 forms with gear 4th. Snake man which is speed power, the first one which is power, and tank man which is defense.
All these forms, once mastered Luffy will be able to join all the properties in one form which will be his final form.
These are like Super Sayajin states before Super Sayajin 2. They needed to master all the states before SSJ 2.
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:lol I don't do kung fu, so i don't need some bruce monkey flying idiot who barely can comprehend the exertion from power is from the feet and not the position of your knuckle telling how the concept of a punch should work. Learn that already will you?
I'll do you one better, that even a simple minded individual such as yourself should understand this common concept. If the first form does as much significant damage as the second transformation on the same person, obviously the power output is exactly the same.
But for some reason you keep dodging this part of my answer because you remain stubbornly opinionated.
BounceMan is not irrefutable shown more force than SnakeMan and time and time again you failed to show such fanfic opinion.
And if you're going to use SnakeMan's first blow catching Dogtooth off guard as a feeble retort, then that just throws your whole argument about BounceMan's power since all those blows landed so effectively because he was caught off guard too:
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And Dogtooth never brushed SnakeMan's attack off, that's pure fanfic XD
:lol Dogtooth blocked those punches and yet was still sent flying:
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The same thing happened with BounceMan:
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Honestly I can say the same thing about about SnakeMan knocking Dogtooth all around:
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.Third one was a barrage of hits that eventually sent Dogtooth flying again:
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And the worse part is that SnakeMan had depleted Buso haki while BounceMan started with a fresh Haki than SnakeMan did, yet he still sent him flying. Both Dogtooth and Luffy were in the same condition, so there's no excuse on that part as well.
Well read above and give this question a second try, because it's blatantly obvious that you don't know how to power gauge.
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