Is Madara politically timid?

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I like the way you think. It could work that way. But Hashirama could take more resposibility for what you said right here, instead he was been played like a puppet by the likes of Tobirama, and he should the one who should tell him that he is wrong and not to bother into his business.

Madara and Hashirama were Original founders of Konoha so, this little retard had no rights to bug in, but instead he kept his nose and kept bugging in in' every single thing that was going on...

But like i said Hashirama should stand up to him and insist that Madara be invited to meeting of the Lords since he was the leader of Konoha , even if Madara act so high and mighty with full of his pride, he was actually more gentle then you even know

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My goodness. So true! It's the fact that Hashirama is highly unstable that made him depressed easily in important situations when he is vexed (by people he considers more intelligent: Tobirama) that made him also Weak willed.
Madara seemed also very unapproachable. (Hashi suggesting to soften up his face is proven right lol)

If only he had the ammount of courage he has in battle in politics too, maybe it would've been enough to shut up Tobirama!!!
Do you think he told anyone (that was close to him like an aunt or high Uchiha diplomat) all about the treasons in the Village?

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Even Sasuke has the whole operating from the shadows thing.

I believe (fanfic) it is an Uchiha thing. They are seriously damaged in several aspects.

The very problem is: Madara is nothing alike with Sasuke when it comes to true politics (ninja stuff perharps).

Do you think it's right to the Co founder of Konoha be listening through DOORS in the just FORMED village?
It's about ethics and respect to the treaty!
Although I admit Madara lacking a backbone in those political things (like he has in battle) and standing up against an apartheid.
Someone should've helped him in helping the others seeing how bigoted vengeful Senjus and damyos were!

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

My goodness. So true! It's the fact that Hashirama is highly unstable that made him depressed easily in important situations when he is vexed (by people he considers more intelligent: Tobirama) that made him also Weak willed.
Madara seemed also very unapproachable. (Hashi suggesting to soften up his face is proven right lol)

If only he had the ammount of courage he has in battle in politics too, maybe it would've been enough to shut up Tobirama!!!
Do you think he told anyone (that was close to him like an aunt or high Uchiha diplomat) all about the treasons in the Village?

I dont know why , but i always find myself in this image xD

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@bold this is wrong, Madara was never unapproachable even if it seemed that way. Sometimes ....

Madara isnt that type of a guy to bug in, and mind other peoples business, because one look and one opinion of other would all make it clear for him, and that is enough for him to understand.

Perhaps he had, but after losing everything he got i dont think there was anything kept him to stay in that village, since even the clan betrayed and turned their backs on him but no one actually saw his pain, even his closest friend.

Im with Madara on this, i dont know about you

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

This wasnt only political thing. And what was really happening there, feelings were so much involved then you even know. Madara was actually the person like that and his feelings would always be involved.

This was about him and his clan, not just political thing - The treaty they signed with Senju clan was actually based on friendship not political - Because he trusted them, but they could never be trusted since you know how people are, and Madara was well awared of that, and he tried to warn the Uchiha about that, but he was even betrayed by them.

What do you mean leave Hashirama alone? Hashirama had a lot of time alone with Tobirama and others, where Madara was never there. And he should be the one to speak up, and say that Madara is my friend and the Uchiha are part of the Konoha just like we are" and not doubting a moment. Thats a true friend.

Yeah, the feelings are also involved. But there is a legal "paper" in game here that can't be ignored. If one contract isn't followed, the contract isn't annulled like Madara acted. What happens is a moratorium. Tobirama and damyos are obligated to follow through all the clauses. Including treating Madara like a true CO founder, not a mere ornament!

And about Hashirama: Madara is like a clingy friend. And goodness. He is clingy.

It was almost the only important person he discussed and successfully shared his views.
Why Madara didn't form a public relation team??

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I dont know why , but i always find myself in this image xD

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@bold this is wrong, Madara was never unapproachable even if it seemed that way. Sometimes ....

Madara isnt that type of a guy to bug in, and mind other peoples business, because one look and one opinion of other would all make it clear for him, and that is enough for him to understand.

Perhaps he had, but after losing everything he got i dont think there was anything kept him to stay in that village, since even the clan betrayed and turned their backs on him but no one actually saw his pain, even his closest friend.

Im with Madara on this, i dont know about you

The problem is again in what you make of the problem and Madara didn't act like it.
What about having at least the backbone of washing the slate clean with Everybody? Instead of just one person.
Want proof? Nobody even knew why Madara was attacking the Village. They just thought he went crazy. What clearly isn't true: it's because Madara knew that Tobirama, vengeful people were turning it into a twisted institution. A FAILED experiment.

It's not about bug in. It's about fullfill your role as a Leader, Co founder and obligation to share all about it with the people.
Fake news is a crime. Doesn't Konoha have a judicial system? lol

Again: shouldn't Madara have someone folllowing him to be a witness of Tobirama's bigotry??

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

Yeah, the feelings are also involved. But there is a legal "paper" in game here that can't be ignored. If one contract isn't followed, the contract isn't annulled like Madara acted. What happens is a moratorium. Tobirama and damyos are obligated to follow through all the clauses. Including treating Madara like a true CO founder, not a mere ornament!

And about Hashirama: Madara is like a clingy friend. And goodness. He is clingy.

It was almost the only important person he discussed and successfully shared his views.
Why Madara didn't form a public relation team??

Feelings are always involved at least in Madara's case thats why he never tried to negotiate in the ways of politacal terms, but more like he wanted to acknowledge what are thinks and what are they true feelings

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and because that same reason (maybe) Madara didnt even bother doing that - if they agree with all that, the hate misstrust will always be there, and thats not an option, it will just cause more havoc - and plotting behind which could even go in the worst case

The problem is again in what you make of the problem and Madara didn't act like it.
What about having at least the backbone of washing the slate clean with Everybody? Instead of just one person.
Want proof? Nobody even knew why Madara was attacking the Village. They just thought he went crazy. What clearly isn't true: it's because Madara knew that Tobirama, vengeful people were turning it into a twisted institution. A FAILED experiment.

It's not about bug in. It's about fullfill your role as a Leader, Co founder and obligation to share all about it with the people.
Fake news is a crime. Doesn't Konoha have a judicial system? lol

Again: shouldn't Madara have someone folllowing him to be a witness of Tobirama's bigotry??

Once again Madara isnt like that, and im not into that much political shit, but i could never deal with this, so i guess Madara felt the same. And this is shinobi we'r talking about not just some weakling political shit we have in the world, and its different.

Madara tried to warn Uchiha about this, and make a step towards that plot that they were making and perhaps he wanted to step up, but he couldnt do alone, since Hashirama also kinda betrayed him in some way, and after even Uchiha betrayed him, thats when he finally understood that the trust and read each others thoughts in their hearts can never be truly showed - what others think and whats their plan

So he was against the world alone

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Once again Madara isnt like that, and im not into that much political shit, but i could never deal with this, so i guess Madara felt the same.

You are not Madara lol XD

Once again Madara isnt like that, And this is shinobi we'r talking about not just some weakling political shit we have in the world, and its different.

Madara tried to warn Uchiha about this

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Madara has much courage and guts. He faced the Bijuus alone. Nuff said. He is quite capable of frame someone. Calling Tobirama in particular and threaten him if it's necessary for the sake of the true dream and village and well being of everyone being achieved.
Take a look at what he did with Oonoki.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

You are not Madara lol XD

Even if im not, maybe we are the same

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Madara has much courage and guts. He faced the Bijuus alone. Nuff said. He is quite capable of frame someone. Calling Tobirama in particular and threaten him if it's necessary for the sake of the true dream and village and well being of everyone being achieved.
Take a look at what he did with Oonoki.

He had the courage, but whats the point of that when he was betrayed back in the days. Do you think that the courage and guts are always the option. You forget that was he was betrayed and left the village even if he had the guts and everything else... you have to know that he lost everything in that moment, and didnt even bother after he got betrayed even by his own clan.

When he faced the Bijuu, that was different, he was heading towards to his dream, and that Madara was different then the one in the past
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What he did to Onnoki, im not sure what time is it that? But by that time, he was all alone, and thats why he didnt want to hear about anyone especially about Hashirama for betraying him back in the days

All in all, Madara was right from the beggining and should've killed this fucking retard

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[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Even if im not, maybe we are the same





He had the courage, but whats the point of that when he was betrayed back in the days. Do you think that the courage and guts are always the option. You forget that was he was betrayed and left the village even if he had the guts and everything else... you have to know that he lost everything in that moment, and didnt even bother after he got betrayed even by his own clan.

When he faced the Bijuu, that was different, he was heading towards to his dream, and that Madara was different then the one in the past
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What he did to Onnoki, im not sure what time is it that? But by that time, he was all alone, and thats why he didnt want to hear about anyone especially about Hashirama for betraying him back in the days

All in all, Madara was right from the beggining and should've killed this fucking retard

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No!
lol You think that Tobirama is right to have all the ways towards at what he wants.
When it's exactly the opposite. Madara should've worked more with people (since he could later show his potential as a great protector) to show how bigoted Tobirama and the Others are.
The problem should lie with them. Not Madara. Who was doing everything according to treaty and legal clauses.
The criminals -yes people who make a treaty and don't follow it are exactly that- should be later persecuted, not Madara.

And he should've worked on that. With a public relation team. He should've brought some men with him to hear all that Tobirama said.
If only there were Recorders XD

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

No!
lol You think that Tobirama is right to have all the ways towards at what he wants.
When it's exactly the opposite. Madara should've worked more with people (since he could later show his potential as a great protector) to show how bigoted Tobirama and the Others are.
The problem should lie with them. Not Madara. Who was doing everything according to treaty and legal clauses.
The criminals -yes people who make a treaty and don't follow it are exactly that- should be later persecuted, not Madara.

And he should've worked on that. With a public relation team. He should've brought some men with him to hear all that Tobirama said.
If only there were Recorders XD

Tobirama got what he wanted... he locked the Uchiha in the prison quarter of the town. And he hated them ever since the beginning. This little fodder couldnt even do nothing he was running like a little fucking b all over the town and staking Hashirama where he go just to put the things his way, which he eventually did.

If there was a peace treaty betweem Uchiha and Senju, then why would Tobirama still had doubts , when Madara clearly assigned those papers and shaked hand with Hashirama (Senju clan) but this little retard was always plotting against the Uchiha.

And no! It cant be done in peace because Madara hated Tobirama and Tobirama hated Uchiha's , he only agreed with the papers because of Hashirama, but as you can see in the manga he clearly did everything in his power to be their way and for Uchiha to be their dogs , i fucking hate this fake little two face retard. Ever since him Uchiha were treated the way they did because of him,....

Madara should just tell Hashirama to put Tobirama away from the political issue or the treaty is done. But The Uchiha would still betray Madara in any case, so i dont see any option

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Tobirama got what he wanted... he locked the Uchiha in the prison quarter of the town. And he hated them ever since the beginning. This little fodder couldnt even do nothing he was running like a little fucking b all over the town and staking Hashirama where he go just to put the things his way, which he eventually did.

If there was a peace treaty betweem Uchiha and Senju, then why would Tobirama still had doubts , when Madara clearly assigned those papers and shaked hand with Hashirama (Senju clan) but this little retard was always plotting against the Uchiha.

And no! It cant be done in peace because Madara hated Tobirama and Tobirama hated Uchiha's , he only agreed with the papers because of Hashirama, but as you can see in the manga he clearly did everything in his power to be their way and for Uchiha to be their dogs , i fucking hate this fake little two face retard. Ever since him Uchiha were treated the way they did because of him,....

Madara should just tell Hashirama to put Tobirama away from the political issue or the treaty is done. But The Uchiha would still betray Madara in any case, so i dont see any option

You are failing to see how Madara's aptitude to the problem would change things. Even if just a little.
Bringing some members to hear Tobirama's bigotry would at least put some reason towards Madara's way.
Yeah, Madara shouldn't have took the soft approach: do you think I know nothing bff?
It really should be more incisive: like: get this criminal away from the Konoha reunions, because he is clearly betraying the treaty.
Madara put all the blame unto himself. When he should've persecuted Tobirama more than Tobirama himself did.
Play by his game! Where is all his courage from the battlefield? lol

And I still think it's strange Madara never had an aunt to tell all these things or even a public relation team like Hashirama had.