Madara and Hashirama vs the Otsutsukis

[Rikudou Tobi]

We know SM Trees = Divine Trees potency. Juubi is Natural Energy which Madara possessed.

Juubi Sage Mode is literally Rikudou senjutsu. Never compare Hashirama's Sage Mode to a higher power such as Rikudou senjutsu.
It's Rikudou Sage Mode chakra that is Divine in power not some basic ass Sage Mode.

Sasuke merged Senjutsu with his SusanoO, and we know Sasuke melding it has nothing to do with what he did afterwards; that is, Merging Bijuu into SusanoO like Gedo Mazo. We are aware of a fact that Gedo Mazo traps the Whole Bijuus into thier container right? Same theory here. SusanoO can be a Jinchuuriki if caster thrusts Bijuu into it.

What theory? Sasuke was able to merge senjutsu into his Susano'o because

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. The only way to use other people/creature's powers is by transplant. That's the only reason why he was able to put senjutsu into his suano'o in the first place. Jugo implanted his power into Sasuke's chest just like how Kabuto implanted Orochimaru's tissues into his arm to give him Orochimaru's powers.
Lastly, Gedo mazo is just the juubi in a cocoon state while Suano'o is not. Gedo mazo is the only thing able to merge with the bijus because the bijus are apart of the gedo mazo for it to become the jubi. If Suano'o could "merge" with Sasuke's suano'o then Sasuke's susano'o would've turned into a sentient biju becoming unkilliable/unbreakable.

How is this anywhere near proof thay SusanoO did not become container like Gedo Mazo to trap Bijuu?

Gedo mazo is part of the jubi while Susano'o is not. Hashirama said that Susano'o functioned as an armour, and to be a container means that you are completely separate from the item that you are holding btw.
Just because you put cookies inside of a container doesn't mean the container becomes a cookie too.

We know it exists when a Bijuu collaborates with SusanoO thus Swords And Beast Balls collaborate whdn attacking increasing power and density.

No it doesn't.

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Madara said that it's purpose was to stop

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Contextualization matters here. It stated in Manga half Kyuubi>>>>all Bijū combinations. As we know.

As we know (besides you) the manga never stated this. All bijuus>>>>>Half of Kurama. If Kurama was stronger than all 8 bijus then he wouldn't of gotten his ass kicked by the juubi.

It is we know. SS demolished Kyuubi + SusanoO's Magic Garb accumulated strength.

WRONG!. Shinsu senju broke Susano'o, the kyubi remained unharmed and its chakra had nothing to do with Susano'o

That is a controversial claim as we know. Obito could not control imperfect KCM naruto nor could he do it to Gai/Kakashi.

This is a controversial statement considering the fact that it's not a claim, it's in the manga that I just posted. What the manga says>You, now try and dispute he pages I posted.
Obito never attempted to control kcm naruto with his sharingan so whatever your assuming is wrong. He already admitted that he was having a hard time trying to control the rinnegan.

I have already conquered this claim as we know. Tailed Beast Balls attack inners of our objects and bodies. Mokuton Hardness is outward. We can see this from Naruto wrecking Trees with NE Infused rasengan. This is known fact to all of us.

You didn't conquered anything. I fodderized ever speculation you attempted to pass off as a fact. Naruto's raengan has destroyed trees without natural energy, it even destroyed Madara's Emergency Forest without NE.

That is interpreted claim. We know Tailed Ball afffects insides of our weaponry/object/power. It attacks inside out. All of us have known this from 3 years before.

This is wrong and baseless

Tailed Beast Ball is the best counter to Mokuton and this bomb is infused with SusanoO's chakra as we know.

There is no Susano'o chakra infused in that tailed beast bomb, Madara didn't even have his susano'o up when the kyubi released the bomb. That's a baseless senseless theory with no facts behind anything. You clearly don't read the manga.

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It enveloped with SusanoO therefore. Mokuton + NE is unabsorbable, because we are aware it is a life force add Natural Enerugi. Hashirama's Expulsion Technique dissipated force of Kyuubi + SusanoO chakra without being scratched.

I conquered this fanfic already, read above.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

While you were straying off topic, my point still remains that Ohtutsuki still wipes the floor with Sm Hashirama's face. Ohtutsuki's are literal gods in their own tiers. The only people to make it up to Ohtutsuki tiers without being in the Ohtutsuki clan is Juubi Obito, Juubi Madara, and Adult Naruto/Adult Sasuke. That's it.

 

[Uverdore9]

Juubi Sage Mode is literally Rikudou senjutsu. Never compare Hashirama's Sage Mode to a higher power such as Rikudou senjutsu.
It's Rikudou Sage Mode chakra that is Divine in power not some basic ass Sage Mode.

Hashirama Sage Mode>>>>>>Rinnegan powers which why Madara selected that Sage Mode to upgrade his prowess before becoming Juubi Jinchuuriki. They go hand in hand as we know.

What theory? Sasuke was able to merge senjutsu into his Susano'o because

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. The only way to use other people/creature's powers is by transplant. That's the only reason why he was able to put senjutsu into his suano'o in the first place. Jugo implanted his power into Sasuke's chest just like how Kabuto implanted Orochimaru's tissues into his arm to give him Orochimaru's powers.
Lastly, Gedo mazo is just the juubi in a cocoon state while Suano'o is not. Gedo mazo is the only thing able to merge with the bijus because the bijus are apart of the gedo mazo for it to become the jubi. If Suano'o could "merge" with Sasuke's suano'o then Sasuke's susano'o would've turned into a sentient biju becoming unkilliable/unbreakable.


Gedo mazo is part of the jubi while Susano'o is not. Hashirama said that Susano'o functioned as an armour, and to be a container means that you are completely separate from the item that you are holding btw.
Just because you put cookies inside of a container doesn't mean the container becomes a cookie too.

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- No. Using blades with Tailed Beast Ball increases it's strength, all of us know measuring destructive capacity by mountain nuking alone is utterly fallacious. Naruto's Bijuu Frs did not nuke a whole area automatically it is less destructive than a base Bijuu Bomb? No. We should understood this logic from getgo.

No it doesn't.

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As we know (besides you) the manga never stated this. All bijuus>>>>>Half of Kurama. If Kurama was stronger than all 8 bijus then he wouldn't of gotten his ass kicked by the juubi.

Mountain destruction scaling fallacious.

- Juubi ass kicked is a lowball measurement now?

- Yang Kurama Naruto wielded was much of a force to reckon than all Biju combined as we know. That's half of Kurama.

WRONG!. Shinsu senju broke Susano'o, the kyubi remained unharmed and its chakra had nothing to do with Susano'o


This is a controversial statement considering the fact that it's not a claim, it's in the manga that I just posted. What the manga says>You, now try and dispute he pages I posted.
Obito never attempted to control kcm naruto with his sharingan so whatever your assuming is wrong. He already admitted that he was having a hard time trying to control the rinnegan.

You didn't conquered anything. I fodderized ever speculation you attempted to pass off as a fact. Naruto's raengan has destroyed trees without natural energy, it even destroyed Madara's Emergency Forest without NE.

- Nine Tails Demon Fox cannot be rekt. It's immortal + indestructible.

- Tailed Beast Ball + SusanoO blades + SusanoO Magical Garb Hashirama had to go through sealing Kyuubi. Which in itself demeanour's superiority as we know.

- Madara controlled Kyuubi with Sharingan = Jinchuuriki + the fact we know SusanoO can be used like a Gedo Mazo according to Kyuubi. Which means it can store Tailed Beasts Bodies. Empowering SusanoO. We've notice this fact interior of SusanOO is mergified with Nine Tail's body the Garb otherwise protect's SusanoO innards, but instead protects Kyuubi now as we know. Undisputable fact.

- Naruto destroying Base Trees = / = Destroying Natural Energy infusified trees. A whole mountain of differences as we all know. Undisputified factual fact.

This is wrong and baseless


There is no Susano'o chakra infused in that tailed beast bomb, Madara didn't even have his susano'o up when the kyubi released the bomb. That's a baseless senseless theory with no facts behind anything. You clearly don't read the manga.

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I conquered this fanfic already, read above.

- Correct.

- Later induced it into SusanoO's main body merged with Nine Tailed Fox shielded with Garbified armour. As we know.

- Bijuu Bomber affects inner's as we know. Destroys chakra of trees and creation's like Gentle Fist technique.

 

[Uverdore9]

While you were straying off topic, my point still remains that Ohtutsuki still wipes the floor with Sm Hashirama's face. Ohtutsuki's are literal gods in their own tiers. The only people to make it up to Ohtutsuki tiers without being in the Ohtutsuki clan is Juubi Obito, Juubi Madara, and Adult Naruto/Adult Sasuke. That's it.

Lmao no. :lol. Hashirama wipes floor with henchmen Otsutsuki. Momoshiki, Kaguya, Madara Jinchuuriki beats him. Juubito debatable

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hashirama Sage Mode>>>>>>Rinnegan powers which why Madara selected that Sage Mode to upgrade his prowess before becoming Juubi Jinchuuriki. They go hand in hand as we know.

Rinnegan powers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol stomp Hashirama's Sage Mode Powers :lol what type of crack are you smoking? Rinnegan=Rsm, that’s how the power scaling of eyes=body works.
Madara never used Sm to upgrade any prowesses, even blind Madara said that Sm Hashirama’s senjutsu was feeble and easy to handle.
Madara wanted the jyubi’s Senjutsu so that he can get closer Hagormoo and

Saying that Hashirama’s weak ass powers being compared to hagoromoo’s Powers the rinnegan is the dumbest thing anyone can say :lol

- agree

- Agree.

- Agree.

- No. Using blades with Tailed Beast Ball increases it's strength, all of us know measuring destructive capacity by mountain nuking alone is utterly fallacious. Naruto's Bijuu Frs did not nuke a whole area automatically it is less destructive than a base Bijuu Bomb? No. We should understood this logic from getgo.

Uh no wrong, because the manga page I just posted showed the ps blade and biju bomb destroying only a mountain and that’s it. Something that a regular tailed beast bomb can do itself. You can not disprove the manga with your own headcanon opinions. Kishi’s words are law and you need to deal with that.

Naruto’s biju rasenshuriken are all Sage arts. They are made up of biju kekkai genkai chakra AND Six path senjutsu chakra.
So you should never compare a six path senjutsu chakra attack to a non six path level powered attack. It’s not even in the same realm of power and that’s your primary problem. Even comparing Hashirama to the rinnegan is very laughable.

Mountain destruction scaling fallacious.

Manga shows mountain destruction >>> Your fanfic headcanon so you’ll just have to deal with that otherwise prove it using manga context.

- Juubi ass kicked is a lowball measurement now?

Juubi never got its ass kicked, it was juubi that was kicking Kurama and hachibi’s ass with only 7 bijus of chakra.

- Yang Kurama Naruto wielded was much of a force to reckon than all Biju combined as we know. That's half of Kurama.

Yang Kurama needed Hachibi’s help against 5 bijus which anyone with a brain and eyes can see.
4 tails wasn’t there, 1 tails wasn’t there, and Hachibi was aiding Naruto so your headcanon fanfic is fallacious nothingness.

- Nine Tails Demon Fox cannot be rekt. It's immortal + indestructible.

You just countered yourself with this comment after you just claimed shinsu senju destroyed Kurama. All bijus can be reborn after death because they are pure sentient chakra.

- Tailed Beast Ball + SusanoO blades + SusanoO Magical Garb Hashirama had to go through sealing Kyuubi. Which in itself demeanour's superiority as we know.

Fallacious baseless fanfic. Hashirama said that the biju’s power was too great for him that his wife had to seal it in herself.

- Madara controlled Kyuubi with Sharingan = Jinchuuriki + the fact we know SusanoO can be used like a Gedo Mazo according to Kyuubi. Which means it can store Tailed Beasts Bodies. Empowering SusanoO. We've notice this fact interior of SusanOO is mergified with Nine Tail's body the Garb otherwise protect's SusanoO innards, but instead protects Kyuubi now as we know. Undisputable fact.

Madara controlling the kyubi with sharingan≠jimchuuriki>>>>controlled via eyes.
Susano’o cannot contain all 9 bijus bodies hence why chibaku tensei in the first place.
Sasuke’s Indra Susano’o is a rinnegan Six path jutsu while magic garb is a mangekyo jutsu, so like I said before never compare six path powers to inferior ones

- Naruto destroying Base Trees = / = Destroying Natural Energy infusified trees. A whole mountain of differences as we all know. Undisputified factual fact.

Undisputed fanfic more like it. Baseless fanfic fallacious headcanon with no manga fact.
Hiruzen’s Nyo staff was cutting God tree (rikudou senjutsu the most superior senjutsu) branches with a single mere swing. The same nyo staff that bisected Hashirama’s Emergency Forest branches.

- Later induced it into SusanoO's main body merged with Nine Tailed Fox shielded with Garbified armour. As we know.

Wrong and senseless because Hashirama removes Susano’o from the biju so clearly it did not merge. Merging means being genetically conjoined

- Bijuu Bomber affects inner's as we know. Destroys chakra of trees and creation's like Gentle Fist technique.

Baseless fanfic nothing in the manga supports your headcanon. If you have a theory/claim then use the manga page.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Lmao no. :lol. Hashirama wipes floor with henchmen Otsutsuki. Momoshiki, Kaguya, Madara Jinchuuriki beats him. Juubito debatable

yes clearly. Ohtutsuki henchmen wipe their ass with Hashirama’s face, that fodder doesn’t stand a chance against a race of gods. Ohtutsuki henchman’s are God’s too that control other dimensions and the weakest Ohtutsuki Toneri is a moon splitter. Hashirama is a gnat compared to their little nursery members.
Jyubito is not debatable, he has the jyubi and Madara himself said that he is now Hagormoo senjutsu tier.

 

[Uverdore9]

Rinnegan powers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol stomp Hashirama's Sage Mode Powers :lol what type of crack are you smoking? Rinnegan=Rsm, that’s how the power scaling of eyes=body works.
Madara never used Sm to upgrade any prowesses, even blind Madara said that Sm Hashirama’s senjutsu was feeble and easy to handle.
Madara wanted the jyubi’s Senjutsu so that he can get closer Hagormoo and

Saying that Hashirama’s weak ass powers being compared to hagoromoo’s Powers the rinnegan is the dumbest thing anyone can say :lol

Easy to handle because he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki and had Mokuton to boot as we know.

Uh no wrong, because the manga page I just posted showed the ps blade and biju bomb destroying only a mountain and that’s it. Something that a regular tailed beast bomb can do itself. You can not disprove the manga with your own headcanon opinions. Kishi’s words are law and you need to deal with that.

Naruto’s biju rasenshuriken are all Sage arts. They are made up of biju kekkai genkai chakra AND Six path senjutsu chakra.
So you should never compare a six path senjutsu chakra attack to a non six path level powered attack. It’s not even in the same realm of power and that’s your primary problem. Even comparing Hashirama to the rinnegan is very laughable.

Destructive power equates to destructive power. I am redirecting this logic at us: Since we believe Mountain Rekting is the classification for destructive power then do we believe RSM FRS weaker than BM FRS? Because RSM did not create as big a nuke. Classifying this logic linearity as false.

Manga shows mountain destruction >>> Your fanfic headcanon so you’ll just have to deal with that otherwise prove it using manga context.


Juubi never got its ass kicked, it was juubi that was kicking Kurama and hachibi’s ass with only 7 bijus of chakra.

Yang Kurama needed Hachibi’s help against 5 bijus which anyone with a brain and eyes can see.
4 tails wasn’t there, 1 tails wasn’t there, and Hachibi was aiding Naruto so your headcanon fanfic is fallacious nothingness.

- Kurama alone is weaker. Not controlled Kurama as in controlled by Sharingan.
- A tamed Bijuu + SusanoO mergification= Perfect Jinchuuriki equaled power.
- Naruto Jinchuuriki mode deflected multiple Bjjuu Dama had to be restricted by Gedo Rods. He was superior there and that is only one half of Nine Tails Jinchuuriki power.

You just countered yourself with this comment after you just claimed shinsu senju destroyed Kurama. All bijus can be reborn after death because they are pure sentient chakra.


Fallacious baseless fanfic. Hashirama said that the biju’s power was too great for him that his wife had to seal it in herself.

Madara controlling the kyubi with sharingan≠jimchuuriki>>>>controlled via eyes.
Susano’o cannot contain all 9 bijus bodies hence why chibaku tensei in the first place.
Sasuke’s Indra Susano’o is a rinnegan Six path jutsu while magic garb is a mangekyo jutsu, so like I said before never compare six path powers to inferior ones

- Hashirama beat Kyuubi to a submission and asked his wife to seal it. Kyuubi cannot be killed/ the same nyo staff Hiruzen used against God Tree would've rekt it when attacked Leaf.

- Shinsuusenju pushed Nine tails which couldnt overpower shinsuusenju. Had to bypass all that Tailed Beast Balls to push it. Kyuubi merged with SusanoO Tailed Beast Balls could not outpower SS. I am speaking about inner body SusanoO conjunctioned with outer armour blades increasing power as we know. Fact.

- Same mechanism just differentiated sources. Mangekyou did what Rinnegan Sharingan Of Sasuke did. Just a higher level of Mergement Sasuke's was. As we know.

Undisputed fanfic more like it. Baseless fanfic fallacious headcanon with no manga fact.
Hiruzen’s Nyo staff was cutting God tree (rikudou senjutsu the most superior senjutsu) branches with a single mere swing. The same nyo staff that bisected Hashirama’s Emergency Forest branches.



Wrong and senseless because Hashirama removes Susano’o from the biju so clearly it did not merge. Merging means being genetically conjoined

Baseless fanfic nothing in the manga supports your headcanon. If you have a theory/claim then use the manga page.

- Biju merged SusanoO inner part cannot be removed just like that to trap Kyuubi inside it as we all know. Only option left is mergification.

- Hiruzen's Rod is stated to be indestructible, it can destroy everything. As we know. Undisputably Fact.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Easy to handle because he became the Juubi Jinchuuriki and had Mokuton to boot as we know.

:lol Blind Madara didn’t become a juubi jinchuuriki. Wood style also doesn’t boost anything either, it enabled Blind Madara to retain hashirama’s senjutsu.

Destructive power equates to destructive power. I am redirecting this logic at us: Since we believe Mountain Rekting is the classification for destructive power then do we believe RSM FRS weaker than BM FRS? Because RSM did not create as big a nuke. Classifying this logic linearity as false.

:lol Rsm Naruto’s rasenshuriken bisected the god tree and Juubi Madara’s chibaku tensei which is several times bigger than a mountain. Like what are you talking about? Nagato’s chibaku tensei consisted about 12 mountain bodies while madara’s states to be vastly larger than that. You’re powerscaling is completely skewered and fallacious.

- Kurama alone is weaker. Not controlled Kurama as in controlled by Sharingan.
- A tamed Bijuu + SusanoO mergification= Perfect Jinchuuriki equaled power.
- Naruto Jinchuuriki mode deflected multiple Bjjuu Dama had to be restricted by Gedo Rods. He was superior there and that is only one half of Nine Tails Jinchuuriki power.

-Jinchuuriki>>>>controlled with a sharingan
-mergification is fanfic and it’s not equal to a jinchuuriki in power. Jinchuuriki’s were able to tank a jyubi laser while shinsu senju destroyed magic garb.
-Kurama Mode Naruto was never restricted by Gedo Rods only Hachibi Mode was.
Naruto deflected the biju bombs with his biju tail can be done by any perfect jinchuuriki.
During that fight he needed Biju’s help, end of story.

- Hashirama beat Kyuubi to a submission and asked his wife to seal it. Kyuubi cannot be killed/ the same nyo staff Hiruzen used against God Tree would've rekt it when attacked Leaf.

Hashirama did not beat Kurama to submission, he used kakuan’s command to put him to sleep. Nyo staff was damaged by Orochimaru’s kusanagi blade so you’re wrong again. Even the Samurai’s in the war were bisecting God tree branches. Senjutsu making wood style harder is fanfic.

- Shinsuusenju pushed Nine tails which couldnt overpower shinsuusenju. Had to bypass all that Tailed Beast Balls to push it. Kyuubi merged with SusanoO Tailed Beast Balls could not outpower SS. I am speaking about inner body SusanoO conjunctioned with outer armour blades increasing power as we know. Fact.

Wrong. Artifacts of a buddha never touched the Nine tails, only Susano’o. Nine tails never merged with the nine tails fanfic is stupid fanfic.
The rest I have no idea on what you’re talking about because it never happened in the manga.

- Same mechanism just differentiated sources. Mangekyou did what Rinnegan Sharingan Of Sasuke did. Just a higher level of Mergement Sasuke's was. As we know.

No it’s not the same. Indra Susano’o is a rinnegan power=to Rsm Ashura power magic garb is not.
Indra Susano’o is purely 9 biju power being contained inside Susano’o .

- Biju merged SusanoO inner part cannot be removed just like that to trap Kyuubi inside it as we all know. Only option left is mergification.

Fanfic.

- Hiruzen's Rod is stated to be indestructible, it can destroy everything. As we know. Undisputably Fact.

Orochimaru says disagrees with undisputed fanfic.
By your logic Nyo staff>>>>Shinsu senju since it’s indestructible.

 

[Uverdore9]

:lol Blind Madara didn’t become a juubi jinchuuriki. Wood style also doesn’t boost anything either, it enabled Blind Madara to retain hashirama’s senjutsu.

He was greater than his prime with a wood style body - Kabuto statement.
- Agree.

:lol Rsm Naruto’s rasenshuriken bisected the god tree and Juubi Madara’s chibaku tensei which is several times bigger than a mountain. Like what are you talking about? Nagato’s chibaku tensei consisted about 12 mountain bodies while madara’s states to be vastly larger than that. You’re powerscaling is completely skewered and fallacious.

The FRS which cut God Tree did not create a big nuke. The one used against CT was multiple FRS. Nukes are not a perfect scale to measure attack strength potency. We can understand how powerful an attack is depending on the damage it does to it's enemy and not surroundings. :lol.

-Jinchuuriki>>>>controlled with a sharingan
-mergification is fanfic and it’s not equal to a jinchuuriki in power. Jinchuuriki’s were able to tank a jyubi laser while shinsu senju destroyed magic garb.
-Kurama Mode Naruto was never restricted by Gedo Rods only Hachibi Mode was.
Naruto deflected the biju bombs with his biju tail can be done by any perfect jinchuuriki.
During that fight he needed Biju’s help, end of story.

- Hachibi mode? Tf is that? :lol
- Naruto still did it which Bee cannot. Tobi had all seven Bijuu in Gedo Mazo at that point. On a rough scale Kyuubi half>>>Bijuu.
- Doesn't mean he won't get tired so We know he would gradually need some help but fact remains hes stronger.
- Naruto was restricted with Gedo Chains.
- We expect Bee, Kakashi, gai to just stand there ?lmfao. Not happening. Plot makes them contribute.

Hashirama did not beat Kurama to submission, he used kakuan’s command to put him to sleep. Nyo staff was damaged by Orochimaru’s kusanagi blade so you’re wrong again. Even the Samurai’s in the war were bisecting God tree branches. Senjutsu making wood style harder is fanfic.

Wrong. Artifacts of a buddha never touched the Nine tails, only Susano’o. Nine tails never merged with the nine tails fanfic is stupid fanfic.
The rest I have no idea on what you’re talking about because it never happened in the manga.

- Bijuu Dama shot at Buddha had SusanoO blades attached to it we know. Fact.
- SusanoO innards wont disappear from Garb so only explanation is Kyuubi inside Garb merging with it. Fact. Stronger Kyuubi because it gets a Jinchuuriki which is SusanoO like we know Gedo Mazo is. Fact.

- Putting to sleep doesnt take away the feat when Hashirama obliterated Kyuubi TBB + Susanoo blades + Inner SusanOO chakra strength combined. Kyuubi cannot be injured. Fact. Cannot be killed. Fact.
- Samurai have special blades Mifune has a legendary blade and Databook states thier swords strike at extreme speed.
- Senjutsu upgrades Ninjutsu Mokuton is Ninjutsu.

No it’s not the same. Indra Susano’o is a rinnegan power=to Rsm Ashura power magic garb is not.
Indra Susano’o is purely 9 biju power being contained inside Susano’o .

Fanfic.

Orochimaru says disagrees with undisputed fanfic.
By your logic Nyo staff>>>>Shinsu senju since it’s indestructible.

Mechanism is same as we all know.
- SusanoO mergemation is not new. Sasuke mergified Senjutsu, Sasuke mergenated Biju, Madara mergificated Kyubi Inner Susano'o. All examplifications. Fact.
- Hiruzen as we know has the best rod which made him strongest shinobi. It can break Shinsu Senju which why he's God Of All Shinobi.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He was greater than his prime with a wood style body - Kabuto statement.
- Agree.

Because of his Six path powers

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The FRS which cut God Tree did not create a big nuke. The one used against CT was multiple FRS. Nukes are not a perfect scale to measure attack strength potency. We can understand how powerful an attack is depending on the damage it does to it's enemy and not surroundings. :lol.

:lol Only the Jyubi can create this kind of nuke like

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, besides that Naruto's Rasenshurikens were massive bombs with each senjutsu rasenshuriekn being bigger than

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and Madara's was confirmed to be bigger than

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Still right. Senjutsu biju bomb>>>>A biju bomb without it.

- Hachibi mode? Tf is that? :lol
- Naruto still did it which Bee cannot. Tobi had all seven Bijuu in Gedo Mazo at that point. On a rough scale Kyuubi half>>>Bijuu.
- Doesn't mean he won't get tired so We know he would gradually need some help but fact remains hes stronger.
- Naruto was restricted with Gedo Chains.
- We expect Bee, Kakashi, gai to just stand there ?lmfao. Not happening. Plot makes them contribute.

- :lol Hachibi mode is Bee's biju transformation
-Wrong!

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and 7 bijus>>>>Kurama
-Naruto was not restricted by gedo mazo chains show me the manga page.
-No. Plot is what prevented 3 tails from knocking

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and plot is the reason why

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instead of Kurama. Kurama clearly needed help as shown in the manga. Manga>You

- Bijuu Dama shot at Buddha had SusanoO blades attached to it we know. Fact.
- SusanoO innards wont disappear from Garb so only explanation is Kyuubi inside Garb merging with it. Fact. Stronger Kyuubi because it gets a Jinchuuriki which is SusanoO like we know Gedo Mazo is. Fact.

-Still didn't beat Kurama into submission. Fact
-Magic garb did not merge with Kurama. Fact. Innard garb theory is fanfic. Fact. Show me manga pages otherwise theories are useless. Fact.

- Putting to sleep doesnt take away the feat when Hashirama obliterated Kyuubi TBB + Susanoo blades + Inner SusanOO chakra strength combined. Kyuubi cannot be injured. Fact. Cannot be killed. Fact

It is when Inner Susanoo chakra is Fan fic, Fact.
PS blade biju bomb obliterated Hashirama's Artifacts of a buddha+Shinsu senju
Kyuubi can be injured and killed, but they revive. Fact.

- Samurai have special blades Mifune has a legendary blade and Databook states thier swords strike at extreme speed.

Fanfic no proof

- Senjutsu upgrades Ninjutsu Mokuton is Ninjutsu.

senjutsu increases size of wood style not density, fact.

Mechanism is same as we all know.

Fanfic

- SusanoO mergemation is not new. Sasuke mergified Senjutsu, Sasuke mergenated Biju, Madara mergificated Kyubi Inner Susano'o. All examplifications. Fact.

Fanfic. Sasuke has senjutsu implanted to his body, he does not have biju powers merged into his body.

- Hiruzen as we know has the best rod which made him strongest shinobi. It can break Shinsu Senju which why he's God Of All Shinobi.

More fanfic

 

[Uverdore9]

Because of his Six path powers

Not because of that.

:lol Only the Jyubi can create this kind of nuke like

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, besides that Naruto's Rasenshurikens were massive bombs with each senjutsu rasenshuriekn being bigger than

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Still right. Senjutsu biju bomb>>>>A biju bomb without it.

Doesnt change my initial point. If you think Juubi's power only amounts to such a small nuke which isnt close to his hype of being creator of countries, swallower of seas, and obliterator of lands then this is hopeless. Naruto saying Nagato's is bigger has nothing to do with what were discussing now. Sakura broke Kaguya horn which is most durable part of Otsutsuki bodies yet havent created a nuke the size of Naruto's. Are we really gonna say Naruto's Garbage Rasenshuriken's with zero effect on Kaguya>>>>Sakura's punch in destructive power because 'nuke'? Lmao not even a coherent argument. :lol

- :lol Hachibi mode is Bee's biju transformation
-Wrong!

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and 7 bijus>>>>Kurama
-Naruto was not restricted by gedo mazo chains show me the manga page.
-No. Plot is what prevented 3 tails from knocking

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and plot is the reason why

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instead of Kurama. Kurama clearly needed help as shown in the manga. Manga>You

-Still didn't beat Kurama into submission. Fact
-Magic garb did not merge with Kurama. Fact. Innard garb theory is fanfic. Fact. Show me manga pages otherwise theories are useless. Fact.

- Naruto was once obstructed by Gedo chains.
- Portrayal defines the fact one feat of superiority>>>> all other feats of inferiority. Naruto needing help in no way or form cancels his feat of repelling all Biju TBB which shocked Gai and Kakashi.
- Kurama was beaten to submission/tell me why poor fox couldn't block/pressurize Shinshusenju?
- SusanoO inner part wont suddenly fly off to space just like that because Kurama entered the Garb. Understand what a garb is. Garb = Armour. SusanoO = chakra construct inside it. Kyuubi = inside SusanOO so what must be the situational case here? Kurama and Susano'o must co-exist causing mergificated entitification of two. Covered with a barrierical armour. Fact.

It is when Inner Susanoo chakra is Fan fic, Fact.
PS blade biju bomb obliterated Hashirama's Artifacts of a buddha+Shinsu senju
Kyuubi can be injured and killed, but they revive. Fact.

Fanfic no proof


senjutsu increases size of wood style not density, fact.

Fanfic

Fanfic. Sasuke has senjutsu implanted to his body, he does not have biju powers merged into his body.

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Lmao more utterifically BS. Hashirama Buddha never obliterated it obliterated TBB merged with Blades which coming from full nine tails mergified Susanoooo construction. Databook confirms it never breaked only the fact force of its palm destroys itself when clashing with outsidinal entities. The only fanfic's trash brain here is lack of understanding of graspable contextual's of Manga's cannonically identificatory panels.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Not because of that.

Yes it is, kabuto said so.

Doesnt change my initial point. If you think Juubi's power only amounts to such a small nuke which isnt close to his hype of being creator of countries, swallower of seas, and obliterator of lands then this is hopeless. Naruto saying Nagato's is bigger has nothing to do with what were discussing now. Sakura broke Kaguya horn which is most durable part of Otsutsuki bodies yet havent created a nuke the size of Naruto's. Are we really gonna say Naruto's Garbage Rasenshuriken's with zero effect on Kaguya>>>>Sakura's punch in destructive power because 'nuke'? Lmao not even a coherent argument. :lol

I never said that the jyubi's nuke is small and that nuke it did is not small at all. That's the biggest tailed beast power we've ever seen in the series. Naruto never said that Nagato's was bigger, read what I said properly. He said Madara's chibaku tensei is bigger and he destroyed one of his chibaku tensei with one biju rasenshuriekn, something that biju bomb w/susano'o sword cannot do hence my point. Sakura never broke a horn on Kaguya's head :| And Naruto's rasenshuriekn turned kaguya unstable, so what you're saying doesn't make the slightest bit of sense whatsoever. Stringing a bunch of sentence together without a single coherent thought is not a rebuttal at all. Your logic is irrational and very incompetent to the standard common sense.

- Naruto was once obstructed by Gedo chains.
- Portrayal defines the fact one feat of superiority>>>> all other feats of inferiority. Naruto needing help in no way or form cancels his feat of repelling all Biju TBB which shocked Gai and Kakashi.
- Kurama was beaten to submission/tell me why poor fox couldn't block/pressurize Shinshusenju?
- SusanoO inner part wont suddenly fly off to space just like that because Kurama entered the Garb. Understand what a garb is. Garb = Armour. SusanoO = chakra construct inside it. Kyuubi = inside SusanOO so what must be the situational case here? Kurama and Susano'o must co-exist causing mergificated entitification of two. Covered with a barrierical armour. Fact.

-Kurama mode naruto was not obstructed by Gedo rods and it remains irrelevant.
-Portrayal showed that Naruto needed help against the bijus and the manga showed that a 7 biju jyubi completely and utterly destroyed Kurama. So to say that half of kurama is stronger than 8 bijus is the stupidest thing anyone can say.
-Kurama was not beaten into submission because half of its body was still covered in armour after the assault of shinsu senju. If kurama was beaten into submission, then why did Hashirama have to put him to sleep? Common sense tells you that he was not.
-The rest is fanfic with no manga evidence. Fact.

Lmao more utterifically BS. Hashirama Buddha never obliterated it obliterated TBB merged with Blades which coming from full nine tails mergified Susanoooo construction. Databook confirms it never breaked only the fact force of its palm destroys itself when clashing with outsidinal entities. The only fanfic's trash brain here is lack of understanding of graspable contextual's of Manga's cannonically identificatory panels.

. The bold part doesn't make sense and doesn't pertain to anything I said, and the manga never said that Susanoo had any merging activities at all, you're just an idiot that can't tell the difference between an armour and merging because to merge with something means that Susanoo was actualy inside of Kurama's body, not to cover it. And the fan translated databook said that the force from shinsu senju was strong enough to crumple upon contact, which your illiterate feeble brain failed to comprehend. Everything you said is fanfic and I've backed up all my claims with manga pages and texts. If you fail to use a single page as proof of anything then everything you are saying is jus useless headcanon fanfic that means absolutely nothing to the rational mind such as myself.

 

[Uverdore9]

Yes it is, kabuto said so.


I never said that the jyubi's nuke is small and that nuke it did is not small at all. That's the biggest tailed beast power we've ever seen in the series. Naruto never said that Nagato's was bigger, read what I said properly. He said Madara's chibaku tensei is bigger and he destroyed one of his chibaku tensei with one biju rasenshuriekn, something that biju bomb w/susano'o sword cannot do hence my point. Sakura never broke a horn on Kaguya's head :| And Naruto's rasenshuriekn turned kaguya unstable, so what you're saying doesn't make the slightest bit of sense whatsoever. Stringing a bunch of sentence together without a single coherent thought is not a rebuttal at all. Your logic is irrational and very incompetent to the standard common sense.

I have always been telling that Destructive power isnt measured by mountain destruction. That's false because Juubi has way more power than just a mere mountain blast. You know how it was hyped on destroying a whole nation with one blast in beginning of series? Which is my point, You've to a learn and grasp fact which proclaims the ulteriorical meaning of utter fact which statifies this nuke logic dont work in certain cases. You have to understand fact this Kyuubi is stated to rekt mountains and with a roar and tail slash which it can do but we havent seen it in canon because of Plot which do not allow such destructivity in a planet such as a Narutoverse which cannot survive it's effects.

-Kurama mode naruto was not obstructed by Gedo rods and it remains irrelevant.
-Portrayal showed that Naruto needed help against the bijus and the manga showed that a 7 biju jyubi completely and utterly destroyed Kurama. So to say that half of kurama is stronger than 8 bijus is the stupidest thing anyone can say.
-Kurama was not beaten into submission because half of its body was still covered in armour after the assault of shinsu senju. If kurama was beaten into submission, then why did Hashirama have to put him to sleep? Common sense tells you that he was not.
-The rest is fanfic with no manga evidence. Fact.

When did I say Gedo rods caught him? I stated Gedo chains.

- Shinshuuusenjuu was not obliteratified by Kyuubi Dama you got to understand that fact Hashirama destroyified his own Mokuton construct with it's own force. Balls didnt damage it one bit. The rest wasnt broken because it was out of Buddha hands range.
- Yang Kurama Naruto deflected Bijuu Dama. Fact. I'm not extrapolating on wild Kyuubi which do not possess a mind of its own. SusanOO became Jinchuuriki of Kyuubi. Jinchuurikii>>>>>Bijuu.

More nonsensical idiotic fanfiction coming from your mouth is just pathetic. The bold part doesn't make sense and doesn't pertain to anything I said, and the manga never said that Susanoo had any merging activities at all, you're just an idiot that can't tell the difference between an armour and merging because to merge with something means that Susanoo was actualy inside of Kurama's body, not to cover it. And the fan translated databook said that the force from shinsu senju was strong enough to crumple upon contact, which your illiterate feeble brain failed to comprehend. Everything you said is fanfic and I've backed up all my claims with manga pages and texts. If you fail to use a single page as proof of anything then everything you are saying is jus useless headcanon fanfic that means absolutely nothing to the rational mind such as myself.
You digress more and more with your senseless wanking for Hashirama just makes the fanbase look even more foolish than before.

- Utterily wron'g tbh Susanoo has two divided parts which You fail to understand one is body one is armour, Magic Garb equates to armour, Body equates to Susano'o body. You are believing Susanoo was wrapped around nine tails which is fallacy, what is covered around kyuubi is its armour. Japanese word's tell SusanOO no Yoroi. Which translate's to Susano's shield armor.

 

[Oblivionx]

Jubi jin madara can take them on but hashirama or lower versions of madara would get wrecked.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I have always been telling that Destructive power isnt measured by mountain destruction. That's false because Juubi has way more power than just a mere mountain blast. You know how it was hyped on destroying a whole nation with one blast in beginning of series? Which is my point, You've to a learn and grasp fact which proclaims the ulteriorical meaning of utter fact which statifies this nuke logic dont work in certain cases. You have to understand fact this Kyuubi is stated to rekt mountains and with a roar and tail slash which it can do but we havent seen it in canon because of Plot which do not allow such destructivity in a planet such as a Narutoverse which cannot survive it's effects.

The Juubi nuke did destroy a nation with a single blast:

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And that very same nuke is the very same one from that that hype quote that you keep on repeating:

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Like I said before, don't go around stringing a bunches of words together making incoherent sentences without a complete topic. You need to make proper sense and you need to work on the following issues...

1. Actually read don't skim more importantly READ the manga instead of other people's theories
2. Stay on topic
3. Use a manga page to back up your claim, your opinions do not matter without proof
4. Make sense

When did I say Gedo rods caught him? I stated Gedo chains.

- Shinshuuusenjuu was not obliteratified by Kyuubi Dama you got to understand that fact Hashirama destroyified his own Mokuton construct with it's own force. Balls didnt damage it one bit. The rest wasnt broken because it was out of Buddha hands range.
- Yang Kurama Naruto deflected Bijuu Dama. Fact. I'm not extrapolating on wild Kyuubi which do not possess a mind of its own. SusanOO became Jinchuuriki of Kyuubi. Jinchuurikii>>>>>Bijuu.

-Kurama mode was not restrained by Gedo chains
-You need to understand that the biju damas did destroy the artifacts of the buddha otherwise Susano'o would've been completely destroyed and Madara would've died. You saying that the biju bombs didn't destroy the arms is basically saying that Madara didn't have to use the biju bombs at all.
-Deflecting a biju bomb has nothing to do with chakra properties, Fact. Susanoo did not become a bijus jinchuuriki, that's just stupid fanfic. Fact.

Since you couldn't provide a single manga scan at all that means you conceded. I win once again and a big L for you.

- Utterily wron'g tbh Susanoo has two divided parts which You fail to understand one is body one is armour, Magic Garb equates to armour, Body equates to Susano'o body. You are believing Susanoo was wrapped around nine tails which is fallacy, what is covered around kyuubi is its armour. Japanese word's tell SusanOO no Yoroi. Which translate's to Susano's shield armor.

Fallacious useless fanfic without a single manga for proof. No manga means you're wrong, therefore you conceded. I win again.

@Bold part is the dumbest thing you said up to date considering the fact that Hashirama literally said that Madara wrapped around Susanoo like an armour:

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You honestly don't know how to read.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Jubi jin madara can take them on but hashirama or lower versions of madara would get wrecked.

please tell this to Uverdore9 because he's using fanfic to say that this is false.

 

[Mellanoma]

lmao Rikudou Tobi try his best to bash Hahirama...


OP: SM hashirama could take Kinshiki due to physical strength and field control.

Rinne Madara wrecks both

 

[Nakamura Nagata]

The Otsutsuki's will be long gone. Pure fact!

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

SM Hashirama could restrain the 10 Tails and he was still weakened as an Edo. When Edo Madara returned to life and pawned the beasts, Hashirama said Madara's original power were returning. Madara even spited Tobirama for not having his own original power like himself.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

lmao Rikudou Tobi try his best to bash Hahirama...


OP: SM hashirama could take Kinshiki due to physical strength and field control.

Rinne Madara wrecks both

Well that’s what happens when you compare him to an Ohtutsuki. You mad fanboy?