How important is a clan to you?

[chaos control]

How important is a clan and the preservation of a specific name or bloodline to you? Also, do you see a clan as more so of a family or a race/ethnicity?

For me personally, I see it as more so of a race than a family. For instance, Sasuke's family to me includes Fugaku, Mikoto, Itachi, Sakura, and Sarada. Every other Uchiha is just a member of his race to me, not his family (beyond just having common ancestors in the form of Indra and further ancestors).

I am asking this because I was thinking about a few conversations that I have seen and had on this base.

I once had a conversation with a Hinata basher who said that Hinata should have died in the war and that Naruto could have married Karin due to her being an Uzumaki. I responded that this was ridiculous because outside of Uzumaki blood, Naruto and Karin have nothing in common, they've spent no time together, they don't have similar interests or personalities and to be honest I think they would be a totally unfit pairing for each other. Beyond that however, Naruto doesn't care about all that clan preservation crap. He never cared about Uzumaki blood or clan affiliations. He just wanted to be hokage so that he could help bring peace for everyone (not just one clan). The Hinata hater responded "Of course he cares... etc...".

If he cared so much though, then you'd think that he would have actually looked into it at some point (especially after meeting Kushina).

Digressing to my main point though, I believe that things like love, friendship, and life in general should be based on how you treat/relate to/get along with people (regardless of their race).

It shouldn't be about all that pure blood clan crap, because that crap just breeds racism and egotistical senses of ethnic superiority. That is the kind of trash that ruins even the real world.

Another example of a conversation that I've had on this base is with some people saying that Sasuke should have slept with a bunch of women to restore the Uchiha clan, or that Sasuke should avoid getting with someone like a Hyuuga because the kids wouldn't be pure Uchiha.

These notions are stupid!

For starters, anybody should be able to tell from the context that when Sasuke said "I want to restore my clan" that he meant that he wanted to avenge them by killing Itachi. Sasuke even later backed this up in the 5 kage summit arc when he said that killing everyone in Konoha would be the true resurrection of the Uchiha clan (even though obviously this would not literally bring back all the Uchihas, unless Sasuke was planning on killing everyone in Konoha by using them as edo tensei sacrifices).

If Sasuke literally wanted to restore his clan by making a bunch of babies, then you would think that he would have placed greater focus on girls and ***. He would have taken all those fangirls up on their offers.

Even worse than the stupidity of these notions however, is the fact that people would rather see Sasuke be an adulterous infidel, and see a bunch of women either get raped or be pathetic spineless airheaded easy whores just for the sake of creating more people with specific blood and a specific name!

What does it matter how many Uchihas there are? For those of you who like Sasuke, wouldn't you rather just see Sasuke be happy loving his own individual family (in the form of Sakura, Sarada and whatever descendants come after Sarada) rather than have Sasuke be some sleezy sperm dog who won't even have time to raise a bunch of father-less kids that he leaves in the care of their slut mothers?

Also, some people just obsess over Sasuke having a son. Who cares whether or not Sasuke's descendants keep the last name Uchiha? It is just a name. In terms of combat ability, the real power of the Uchiha comes from their genes not their name. As long as Sarada's child has the sharingan, then the power of the Uchiha will live on regardless of whether the kid's last name is Uchiha or Jones!


In the end, fixating on things like race/ethnicity and patriarchy is just stupid an harmful to both the real world and the NV. Even Hashirama and Madara were initially friends as kids, but they were forced to back to fighting all because of a stupid thing called race and clan!

If only we could eliminate all concept of race/ethnicity from the world! If we could erase that poisonous concept of race and genetic superiority, and unite everyone into the one true race. That is:


The Human Race!!!

Clans are trash. Race is trash. If I were thought to be the last black person in the world, but then I found a black girl, I wouldn't give a crap if she was black. If I couldn't get along with her or form any kind of relationship with her, then her being black would be meaningless to me.


Racism/Ethnocentrism is trash!!! Those who support that crap are worse than trash!!!

Discuss

 

[Cooh]

What is nicer, a colourful picture or a picture painted in brown only? If we gave up on our races we end up all looking the same which would be pretty sad, diversity is what makes the human race nice, therefore keeping a race alive should be priority.

Sasuke probably had uncles, aunts, cousins in that clan aswell. Family doesn't end with your parents and siblings. Family should be held close and dear since they are the people that, in most cases, are always there for you.

 

[salamander uchiha]

What is nicer, a colourful picture or a picture painted in brown only? If we gave up on our races we end up all looking the same which would be pretty sad, diversity is what makes the human race nice, therefore keeping a race alive should be priority.

Sasuke probably had uncles, aunts, cousins in that clan aswell. Family doesn't end with your parents and siblings. Family should be held close and dear since they are the people that, in most cases, are always there for you.

Preach Cooh.

OT: your scenario and whatever were addressed in that thread. Clans are important especially for ninja with KKG you'd rather have a world full of mongels or jacks of all master of none or a world full of average people instead of specialists who are jacks in other fields as well.

Ps. summarised version: There's nothing wrong with race everybody has defining qualities that set them apart from another. Those that are :salt:y about it are worse than trash imo.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Nothing wrong with clans but going out of your way to preserve them is dumb imo. Naruto getting married to Karin because 'muh Uzumaki genes' would have been the most ridiculous thing ever

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Rather it shouldn't be about preserving the clan...

It should be about reviving it into a Juggernaut that rivals the Otsutsuki!

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[Animegoin]

You expect me to read all that?

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[GetsugaTenshou]

You expect me to read all that?

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TL;DR The power of friendship and love disregards all genetic and racial borders

 

[salamander uchiha]

You expect me to read all that?

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I skimmed through it and couldn't be bothered reading what I've read over before. Short, concise and to the point is what is required.

 

[Joon]

A clan and its bloodline are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Clansmen relay on Clansmen to carry their blood to the next generation. However, the family line ends when the clan is no more. Also, clan means family.

 

[Yeah right]

Clan is not important to me at all. What did itachi say about clans again? And he’s the smartest person alive right?

Why wouldn’t the mixture of all clans not lead to a pure bloodline that is similar to an otsutsuki?

Also a bell curve will form, where an elite will form which would cause “clans” in the future.

 

[chaos control]

What is nicer, a colourful picture or a picture painted in brown only? If we gave up on our races we end up all looking the same which would be pretty sad, diversity is what makes the human race nice, therefore keeping a race alive should be priority.

Sasuke probably had uncles, aunts, cousins in that clan aswell. Family doesn't end with your parents and siblings. Family should be held close and dear since they are the people that, in most cases, are always there for you.

I believe you are misunderstanding. When I say that we should give up on our races, I don't mean that we should paint everyone brown and genetically engineer everyone to be the exact same biologically. What I mean, is that we should get rid of the concept of race. We should get rid of segregating people to certain areas because of how they look, or forbidding marriages and breeding between certain people to avoid dilution, or supporting marriages of certain people who don't know each other just because of what blood they have.

In short, I'm saying that we should erase all the meaning in race, not biologically engineer and paint everyone.

So no, keeping race alive should not be a priority. Even without race, we'd still have diversity. People would still have different skill sets, different interests, personalities, etc...

Preach Cooh.

OT: your scenario and whatever were addressed in that thread. Clans are important especially for ninja with KKG you'd rather have a world full of mongels or jacks of all master of none or a world full of average people instead of specialists who are jacks in other fields as well.

Ps. summarised version: There's nothing wrong with race everybody has defining qualities that set them apart from another. Those that are :salt:y about it are worse than trash imo.

@Bold parts: You speak as if the absence of the concept of race would actually affect people's skills and qualities.

Can you not be a musician, a carpenter, an engineer, a chef, a shinobi, etc... regardless of whether or not you are black, white, Uchiha, Senju, Asian, Hispanic, etc...?

Even without race, everyone would still have their own defining skills and qualities.

As for ninja with KKG, they could still have their KKG even without the concept of race being in place. It's like I said to Cooh: I never said that we should genetically engineer everyone to make everyone the same.

Uchihas could still have their sharingan. Hyuugas their byakugan and so on and so forth. The only difference in the world that I'm proposing is:

Uchihas (or any other clan) wouldn't be restricted in who they marry for the sake of pure blood crap.

It wouldn't matter whether or not Sasuke had a son, because the name wouldn't mean crap.

Clans wouldn't be sectioned off into specific areas of the village.

Kids could be friends with whoever without worrying about last names and race.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Also, yes there is something wrong with race. Because of race, large groups of people have been genocided both in real life and in the NV. Racial issues contributed to the loss of your beloved Uchiha clan, as well as the real life Holocaust!

Didn't you say that in Itachi Shinden, that people were looking at Uchihas with disgust simply because they were Uchiha and because they knew that the elders didn't trust the Uchiha? I'd call that racial prejudice and discrimination, would you not?

If the concept of race were nonexistent, then this wouldn't have become a problem.

If it wasn't for race, then black people wouldn't have been hunted by the KKK!

Race is a problem!

 

[Jinrou]

Rather it shouldn't be about preserving the clan...

It should be about reviving it into a Juggernaut that rivals the Otsutsuki!

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TOP QUALITY CLAN MIXING IS THE WAY TO GO! NOT STAGNANT PRESERVATION

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Well said man. Great image as well. That Hiashi XD

 

[salamander uchiha]

I believe you are misunderstanding. When I say that we should give up on our races, I don't mean that we should paint everyone brown and genetically engineer everyone to be the exact same biologically. What I mean, is that we should get rid of the concept of race. We should get rid of segregating people to certain areas because of how they look, or forbidding marriages and breeding between certain people to avoid dilution, or supporting marriages of certain people who don't know each other just because of what blood they have.

In short, I'm saying that we should erase all the meaning in race, not biologically engineer and paint everyone.

So no, keeping race alive should not be a priority. Even without race, we'd still have diversity. People would still have different skill sets, different interests, personalities, etc...



@Bold parts: You speak as if the absence of the concept of race would actually affect people's skills and qualities.

Can you not be a musician, a carpenter, an engineer, a chef, a shinobi, etc... regardless of whether or not you are black, white, Uchiha, Senju, Asian, Hispanic, etc...?

Even without race, everyone would still have their own defining skills and qualities.

As for ninja with KKG, they could still have their KKG even without the concept of race being in place. It's like I said to Cooh: I never said that we should genetically engineer everyone to make everyone the same.

Uchihas could still have their sharingan. Hyuugas their byakugan and so on and so forth. The only difference in the world that I'm proposing is:

Uchihas (or any other clan) wouldn't be restricted in who they marry for the sake of pure blood crap.

It wouldn't matter whether or not Sasuke had a son, because the name wouldn't mean crap.

Clans wouldn't be sectioned off into specific areas of the village.

Kids could be friends with whoever without worrying about last names and race.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Also, yes there is something wrong with race. Because of race, large groups of people have been genocided both in real life and in the NV. Racial issues contributed to the loss of your beloved Uchiha clan, as well as the real life Holocaust!

Didn't you say that in Itachi Shinden, that people were looking at Uchihas with disgust simply because they were Uchiha and because they knew that the elders didn't trust the Uchiha? I'd call that racial prejudice and discrimination, would you not?

If the concept of race were nonexistent, then this wouldn't have become a problem.

If it wasn't for race, then black people wouldn't have been hunted by the KKK!

Race is a problem!

I dont know what to say to this, there are so many fallacies, flaws and strawman arguments it's unbelievable. Your shift between the real world and the NV is a major flaw. I'm not going to write a whole wall of text as a rebuttal as I dont enjoy it and neither do I have the time.

 

[chaos control]

I dont know what to say to this, there are so many fallacies, flaws and strawman arguments it's unbelievable. Your shift between the real world and the NV is a major flaw. I'm not going to write a whole wall of text as a rebuttal as I dont enjoy it and neither do I have the time.

Typical cop out when you don't have an answer: "Your post is so flawed. I can't be bothered to write a long response. Blah blah blah"

 

[salamander uchiha]

Typical cop out when you don't have an answer: "Your post is so flawed. I can't be bothered to write a long response. Blah blah blah"

Well it's fallacious to begin with the NV has clans for a reason they have unique abilities which are exclusive to blood, they share heritage culture and techniques. By eliminating that you'd be eliminating their strengths and what comes with it. You'd have people with tools but they'd be like the average Joe holding a sniper rifle. Diluting these qualities via inter mixing would further diminish their value, strength and worth but they'd be equal to everybody else(average). They'd eventually end up like everybody else with a regualr hand gun or maybe even a water pistol instead of a sniper rifle.

I'll give you an example from the real world black people are naturally athlectic due to their genetic makeup and they're excellent sprinters. White People are naturally stronger swimmers again to do with their genetic make up. Now tell me how many champion runners that are mixed race or swimmers that exist in the world as far as I'm aware there aren't any of that calibre to be elite. It goes back to jack of all master of none.

Like I said I'm not going to write a rebuttal of something which is fallacious to begin with as it's a waste of time.

 

[Avani 👑]

How important is a clan and the preservation of a specific name or bloodline to you? Also, do you see a clan as more so of a family or a race/ethnicity?

For me personally, I see it as more so of a race than a family. For instance, Sasuke's family to me includes Fugaku, Mikoto, Itachi, Sakura, and Sarada. Every other Uchiha is just a member of his race to me, not his family (beyond just having common ancestors in the form of Indra and further ancestors).

I am asking this because I was thinking about a few conversations that I have seen and had on this base.

I once had a conversation with a Hinata basher who said that Hinata should have died in the war and that Naruto could have married Karin due to her being an Uzumaki. I responded that this was ridiculous because outside of Uzumaki blood, Naruto and Karin have nothing in common, they've spent no time together, they don't have similar interests or personalities and to be honest I think they would be a totally unfit pairing for each other. Beyond that however, Naruto doesn't care about all that clan preservation crap. He never cared about Uzumaki blood or clan affiliations. He just wanted to be hokage so that he could help bring peace for everyone (not just one clan). The Hinata hater responded "Of course he cares... etc...".

If he cared so much though, then you'd think that he would have actually looked into it at some point (especially after meeting Kushina).

Digressing to my main point though, I believe that things like love, friendship, and life in general should be based on how you treat/relate to/get along with people (regardless of their race).

It shouldn't be about all that pure blood clan crap, because that crap just breeds racism and egotistical senses of ethnic superiority. That is the kind of trash that ruins even the real world.

Another example of a conversation that I've had on this base is with some people saying that Sasuke should have slept with a bunch of women to restore the Uchiha clan, or that Sasuke should avoid getting with someone like a Hyuuga because the kids wouldn't be pure Uchiha.

These notions are stupid!

For starters, anybody should be able to tell from the context that when Sasuke said "I want to restore my clan" that he meant that he wanted to avenge them by killing Itachi. Sasuke even later backed this up in the 5 kage summit arc when he said that killing everyone in Konoha would be the true resurrection of the Uchiha clan (even though obviously this would not literally bring back all the Uchihas, unless Sasuke was planning on killing everyone in Konoha by using them as edo tensei sacrifices).

If Sasuke literally wanted to restore his clan by making a bunch of babies, then you would think that he would have placed greater focus on girls and ***. He would have taken all those fangirls up on their offers.

Even worse than the stupidity of these notions however, is the fact that people would rather see Sasuke be an adulterous infidel, and see a bunch of women either get raped or be pathetic spineless airheaded easy whores just for the sake of creating more people with specific blood and a specific name!

What does it matter how many Uchihas there are? For those of you who like Sasuke, wouldn't you rather just see Sasuke be happy loving his own individual family (in the form of Sakura, Sarada and whatever descendants come after Sarada) rather than have Sasuke be some sleezy sperm dog who won't even have time to raise a bunch of father-less kids that he leaves in the care of their slut mothers?

Also, some people just obsess over Sasuke having a son. Who cares whether or not Sasuke's descendants keep the last name Uchiha? It is just a name. In terms of combat ability, the real power of the Uchiha comes from their genes not their name. As long as Sarada's child has the sharingan, then the power of the Uchiha will live on regardless of whether the kid's last name is Uchiha or Jones!


In the end, fixating on things like race/ethnicity and patriarchy is just stupid an harmful to both the real world and the NV. Even Hashirama and Madara were initially friends as kids, but they were forced to back to fighting all because of a stupid thing called race and clan!

If only we could eliminate all concept of race/ethnicity from the world! If we could erase that poisonous concept of race and genetic superiority, and unite everyone into the one true race. That is:


The Human Race!!!

Clans are trash. Race is trash. If I were thought to be the last black person in the world, but then I found a black girl, I wouldn't give a crap if she was black. If I couldn't get along with her or form any kind of relationship with her, then her being black would be meaningless to me.


Racism/Ethnocentrism is trash!!! Those who support that crap are worse than trash!!!

Discuss

Your arguments are contrived and rather confusing. Jumping from one issue to another.
I have checked many previous threads on this topic that's not the common argument given by supposed Hinata bashers either. Or the ones who cry over Sasuke not having a male heir for that matter. They simply maybe giving opinion based on their personal backgrounds of preference for male child. Some are just like Orochimaru-trying to grab all the genetic powers they can get their hands on for their personal favourite. Nor these things are similar to " race" issues in our world.

Ototsuki as a clan on the Earth didn't survive( moon branch is different matter) but their heirs established their own clans. Didn't they?

There are lots of Shins made from Uchiha genes so the Uchihas bloodline is not getting extinct any time soon. They may establish new clans in future or may revive the old names, it's up to them. Sasuke did set up an Uchiha clan being from the old family. Now if the questions is whether Sasuke Uchiha's name is going forward or not, he is almost in the same boat as Hyuugas- Hanabi or as Ino was. Naruto's mom was Uzumaki, not father. We didn't hear Namikaze anyone since. On the other hand only known Senju is Tsunade. So no one knows how it will go for sure. Manga may not even cover it that far.( depending on how much milking they can)

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Not a bit. Sakura soloes everyone and she's clanless.

 

[chaos control]

Well it's fallacious to begin with the NV has clans for a reason they have unique abilities which are exclusive to blood, they share heritage culture and techniques. By eliminating that you'd be eliminating their strengths and what comes with it. You'd have people with tools but they'd be like the average Joe holding a sniper rifle. Diluting these qualities via inter mixing would further diminish their value, strength and worth but they'd be equal to everybody else(average). They'd eventually end up like everybody else with a regualr hand gun or maybe even a water pistol instead of a sniper rifle.

First of all, by eliminating race, you would not be eliminating any strengths. For starters, most clans are not KKG clans. Their techniques are hidden techniques, not KKG, so anybody can learn them. Therefore everyone could still learn all the same jutsus as far as hidden techniques go. Shikamaru could still learn the same shadow jutsus as long as he had the desire, the skill and the resources to do so. Chouji could still learn expansion jutsu and so on and so forth. The only difference here is that we'd see more individuality. Shikamaru would be learning his techniques because he wanted to learn those specific techniques, not because he is a Nara.

As for KKG clans, I keep telling you, I am not saying that we should eliminate the genes themselves. Just the concept of race! Therefore a hypothetical Sarada Jones would have all the same strength and skill as Sarada Uchiha, so long as Sarada Jones was still a descendant of Indra and possessed the sharingan.

Also, about the dilution thing: So what if certain KKG's dilute and die out? Every trait has to dilute and die out at some point. It is not like the world specifically needs to have sharingan. The world existed and survived before the sharingan came into the world, and it will survive after it is gone. Tell me: In what way it will affect anyone whether or not Sarada's child/descendants have sharingan? Let's say hypothetically that the sharingan ends with Sarada (we are ignoring the Shins), and that Sarada's child cannot awaken it.

Who gets affected? Who actually suffers from this? Sasuke doesn't suffer from this. He has his own sharingan and rinnegan. He has his own life. His grandchild lacking sharingan wouldn't really affect him. Does Sarada get affected? No! Her life will continue on as normal regardless of whether or not her child has sharingan. Does the child even suffer? No! The worst thing that happens to the child is that he gets jealous of his mom and grandpa and wishes that he has sharingan. Other than a little saltiness, this child remains unaffected and can lead a normal life (even as a shinobi).

Also, we have seen some cases of diluted offspring doing even better than the predecessor!

Just look at Sarada. She has used her 1 tomoe sharingan more productively than part 1 Sasuke used 2 and 3 tomoe!
Himawari seems to have an activatable/deactivatable byakugan (unlike Hinata), and that most certainly has its advantages.
Boruto has an all new dojutsu altogether!

I'll give you an example from the real world black people are naturally athlectic due to their genetic makeup and they're excellent sprinters. White People are naturally stronger swimmers again to do with their genetic make up. Now tell me how many champion runners that are mixed race or swimmers that exist in the world as far as I'm aware there aren't any of that calibre to be elite. It goes back to jack of all master of none.

You have confirmed a big thing about yourself here. You have confirmed that you ignorantly subscribe to racial stereotypes! Black people are not "naturally athletic" nor are white people "naturally strong swimmers". It has nothing to do with their genetic makeup!
All of the great athletes that you see are so great because they trained their butts off for years! Michael Jordan wasn't the great NBA tier basketball player from birth! In fact, he even got rejected from his high school basketball team. Jordan became great from spending nights upon nights practicing his shots, practicing his dribbling, practicing his passes, etc...

Michael Phelps is not a great swimmer because he is white. He is a great swimmer because he trained to be a great swimmer!

There are also plenty of black people who are absolute crap at sports! There are plenty of white people who can't swim!

Genetics have a very minimal effect on what skills you can gain. Do you really not believe in individuality and manual effort at all?

You have really shown your true colors here. Goodbye racist bigot. Hopefully one day you will see that people can become strong in just about whatever they want regardless of race.

 

[salamander uchiha]

First of all, by eliminating race, you would not be eliminating any strengths. For starters, most clans are not KKG clans. Their techniques are hidden techniques, not KKG, so anybody can learn them. Therefore everyone could still learn all the same jutsus as far as hidden techniques go. Shikamaru could still learn the same shadow jutsus as long as he had the desire, the skill and the resources to do so. Chouji could still learn expansion jutsu and so on and so forth. The only difference here is that we'd see more individuality. Shikamaru would be learning his techniques because he wanted to learn those specific techniques, not because he is a Nara.

You'd still need the affinity of the hidden clans which may and will likely get washed away via dilution. That affinity is common within those clans.

As for KKG clans, I keep telling you, I am not saying that we should eliminate the genes themselves. Just the concept of race! Therefore a hypothetical Sarada Jones would have all the same strength and skill as Sarada Uchiha, so long as Sarada Jones was still a descendant of Indra and possessed the sharingan.

The KKG is the reason for the name, the name isn't the reason for the KKG. Why shouldn't there be a concept of race, there's something which makes people identifiably different from one another.

Also, about the dilution thing: So what if certain KKG's dilute and die out? Every trait has to dilute and die out at some point. It is not like the world specifically needs to have sharingan. The world existed and survived before the sharingan came into the world, and it will survive after it is gone. Tell me: In what way it will affect anyone whether or not Sarada's child/descendants have sharingan? Let's say hypothetically that the sharingan ends with Sarada (we are ignoring the Shins), and that Sarada's child cannot awaken it.

Then they'll become average like everybody, they'll fall from being distinguished due to their excellent qualities to your average Joe. They'll lose the edge that they were gifted with over their peers due to their genes which would make their potential to achieve great heights and distinction lesser.

Who gets affected? Who actually suffers from this? Sasuke doesn't suffer from this. He has his own sharingan and rinnegan. He has his own life. His grandchild lacking sharingan wouldn't really affect him. Does Sarada get affected? No! Her life will continue on as normal regardless of whether or not her child has sharingan. Does the child even suffer? No! The worst thing that happens to the child is that he gets jealous of his mom and grandpa and wishes that he has sharingan. Other than a little saltiness, this child remains unaffected and can lead a normal life (even as a shinobi).

Yes by being like everybody else a lesser shinobi without the potential to reach excellence. His suffering is he'll be an average Joe and that'll make him salty af.

Also, we have seen some cases of diluted offspring doing even better than the predecessor!

No we've seen cases of ass pulls and handouts.

Just look at Sarada. She has used her 1 tomoe sharingan more productively than part 1 Sasuke used 2 and 3 tomoe!
Himawari seems to have an activatable/deactivatable byakugan (unlike Hinata), and that most certainly has its advantages.
Boruto has an all new dojutsu altogether!

Sarada inherits blood directly from a rokudo user his cells contain rokudo chakra that includes his seed. Just as Indra did from Rokudo so that example doesn't cut it.

Himawari and Hinata both can activate and deactivate their Byakugan. I've yet to see a Hyuga or Otsutsuki who can't deactivatae their dojutsu.

Boruto's dojutsu(Byakugan lite) means nothing since he was originally meant to have the Byakugan. A last minute pullout to try and make a story based around D riding him.

You have confirmed a big thing about yourself here. You have confirmed that you ignorantly subscribe to racial stereotypes! Black people are not "naturally athletic" nor are white people "naturally strong swimmers". It has nothing to do with their genetic makeup!
All of the great athletes that you see are so great because they trained their butts off for years! Michael Jordan wasn't the great NBA tier basketball player from birth! In fact, he even got rejected from his high school basketball team. Jordan became great from spending nights upon nights practicing his shots, practicing his dribbling, practicing his passes, etc...

Michael Phelps is not a great swimmer because he is white. He is a great swimmer because he trained to be a great swimmer!

Basketball isn't related to gentic structure and make up. List the current champion runners(olympians) who are white and the champion swimmers(olympians) who're black. Nobody denied that they hone their skills that's an assumption of yours down to a substandard reading of my post.

There are also plenty of black people who are absolute crap at sports! There are plenty of white people who can't swim!

Yes because they don't care for it or hone their natural potential.

Genetics have a very minimal effect on what skills you can gain. Do you really not believe in individuality and manual effort at all?

Everybody can learn to run and swim but the gwntic advantage afforded to those that have inherited specific genes still give them the potential to excel their peers.

You have really shown your true colors here. Goodbye racist bigot. Hopefully one day you will see that people can become strong in just about whatever they want regardless of race.

So I'm a racist bigot now because I disagree with you? Typical response, the go to response of snowflakes resulting to ad hominen attacks.

Good bye snowflake one day you may realise I'm not racist.

Ps. I'm not writing another wall of text to rebuke your butthurt.

 

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You'd still need the affinity of the hidden clans which may and will likely get washed away via dilution. That affinity is common within those clans.

Affinities can be learned. For example, Hiruzen had all 5 elements, and he is not a KKG shinobi. Heck, even the Uchiha clan's fire style is not actually a part of their genetic affinity. For instance, Sasuke's natural affinity is lightning. Fire style is just something that he learned from his dad. It is also possible that Itachi's affinity wasn't fire because he is known to have had water style and the wiki even says he had wind. I don't know whether his water and wind styles were copied with his sharingan, if one of them was his natural affinity, or if he just decided to learn them, but it is possible that his affinity may not have been naturally fire.

Jutsus like the Nara's shadows or the Akimichi's expansion jutsu are just yin release and yang release. Easily learnable.

The KKG is the reason for the name, the name isn't the reason for the KKG. Why shouldn't there be a concept of race, there's something which makes people identifiably different from one another.

The KKG and the name have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Just look at the sharingan and the byakugan. The sharingan got its start in a man who bore the last name Otsutsuki, not Uchiha. Yet the sharingan persists in Uchihas to this day, and so long as Sarada has kids and passes on the sharingan gene, then the sharingan will continue to persist through her descendants even if their name changes into Jones or Wilson or some other name.

Then they'll become average like everybody, they'll fall from being distinguished due to their excellent qualities to your average Joe. They'll lose the edge that they were gifted with over their peers due to their genes which would make their potential to achieve great heights and distinction lesser.

They don't have to be average.They won't fall from being distinguished if they keep up their training and learn jutsus and skills that enable them to perform exceptionally. Their potential to reach great heights won't be affected at all, as long as they are not lazy and are willing to put in the work to become great. Truly strong people don't need inborn advantages. Strong people can actually achieve greatness based on skills instead of just lucky genes.

Yes by being like everybody else a lesser shinobi without the potential to reach excellence. His suffering is he'll be an average Joe and that'll make him salty af.

He won't be an average joe if he trains to become something greater than an average joe.

No we've seen cases of ass pulls and handouts.

Like what?

Sarada inherits blood directly from a rokudo user his cells contain rokudo chakra that includes his seed. Just as Indra did from Rokudo so that example doesn't cut it.

An Uchiha's ability to copy ninjutsu and cast basic genjutsu (like what Sarada has done) is strictly skill based and fighting style based. Not once has it been implied that being the child of a rikudou senin like person affects the normal abilities of base sharingan. As proof of this, even Kakashi (who was known as the copy ninja despite being a non-Uchiha) is implied to have used base sharingan better than most actual Uchihas. He certainly used the abilities of base sharingan a lot more than Sasuke ever did. The only thing that rikudou chakara has shown to affect is the mangekyou sharingan (which Sarada doesn't have yet). It allows for mangekyou without blindness and more powerful usage of MS techniques (like PS). Therefore, Sarada being Sasuke's daughter has no effect on the fact that she uses it better than he did. It is all skill.

Himawari and Hinata both can activate and deactivate their Byakugan. I've yet to see a Hyuga or Otsutsuki who can't deactivatae their dojutsu.

You are misunderstanding what I mean. Yeah Hinata can activate and deactivate the power of the byakugan, but even when it is deactivated she still has the white eyes. This means that opponents, upon seeing her, would automatically know she is a Hyuuga and be wary of being hit by the gentle fist. Himawari on the other hand, can switch between the white eyes and her normal blue eyes. Therefore if she became a shinobi and went into battle, if her opponent was not already aware of her parentage, then she could hide the fact that she has byakugan until the right moment and then spring the gentle fist on them with the element of surprise. That could be advantageous. That is what I meant when I said that Himawari's byakugan is activatable/deactivatable.

Boruto's dojutsu(Jougan) means nothing since he was originally meant to have the Byakugan. A last minute pullout to try and make a story based around D riding him.

That is a beyond the 4th wall issue, which is irrelevant. The fact remains that he has it, regardless of whether or not you consider it a last minute pullout.

Yes because they don't care for it or hone their natural potential.

The same can be said for other races. Asian people who aren't good at sports aren't good because they don't hone the skills. Same goes for white people. Same for black people and any other race.

Everybody can learn to run and swim but the genetic advantage afforded to those that have inherited specific genes still give them the potential to excel their peers.

@Bold: Whatever genetic advantages afforded to those who excel in these areas have nothing to do with race. If anything, the genetic advantages would be things like high metabolism or long legs. Taking away race wouldn't affect these genetic advantages.

So I'm a racist bigot now because I disagree with you?

No. You're a racist because you subscribe to horrible racial stereotypes. The sports stereotypes alone wouldn't be so bad, but if you subscribe to those then where does it end? Next you'll be calling the police at the sight of a black person because you believe in the stereotypes that we are all thugs who do/sell drugs! How far is it going to go Salamander? How far?

Typical response, the go to response of snowflakes resulting to ad hominen attacks.

Good bye snowflake one day you may realise I'm not racist.

Snowflake? Lol. I have honestly not heard that insult before. What is that supposed to mean?

Anyway, the day that I realize that you are not racist will be the day that you show that you are not racist, but that day has certainly not been today.