[Discussion] Marineford arc..but replace WB with BM..how

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So the scenario its the same..

Replace Whitebeard with Big Mom..
Ace with Puding..

Luffy still come to help pudding..

What do you think?

I think bigmom will get a better result than whitebeard because she has more stronger fighter with her than whitebeard..
 

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Big Mom with her abilities would pose a much bigger threat than Whitebeard was at the time. He may have been the World's strongest man at some point in time but he was only a shell of himself at Marineford. We all saw the destruction he caused with a basic devil fruit. Whitebeard and his powers are pretty straight forward, he is a fighter with a fruit that amplifies his power and style.

Big Mom would cause a lot more problems with her abilities. Just the sheer amount of people that would be unable to harm homies would cause a lot of problems for the marines. Add her super tough skin and monster strength to the equation and you basically have a more dangerous version of Whitebeard, with a bit less raw power.

Her family was also affected by the power creep because if Marco's and Dogtooth's introductions were swapped, we would have a much better image of Marco than we have now. Big Mom's family has a lot of fighters again with a myriad of tricks that would cause a lot more trouble than people like whitebeards sub-commanders who have basic abilities.

That said, everyone at Marineford didn't get a fair shot and we need another Marineford to create a new benchmark. Marineford played out in a pre-haki time for the reader. So besides some hints here and there and some people shouting omg haki ! nobody showed any significant haki feats. If that war would play out now is there any question that most top dogs could go full body haki if they wanted to ?

So Big Mom and Crew to save Pudding from pre haki Marineford Marines would be a Big Mom victory. Because the sweet commanders, Oven, Daifuku, Perospero, Brullee and the enraged army seems a lot more dangerous than Blamenco, curiel, Namur, Fossa and Izu. The only scary ones are Marco, Jozu and Vista and I believe the sweet commanders can keep them at bay.

Momma can go wild with Zeus and Prometheus. Ride a tidal wave homie around the plaza. Make a magma and ice one of she feels like it.
 

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Big mam crew decimate the marineford, especially if Linlin ate some extremely delicious food beforehand. The only ones to challenge Linlin herself would be Garp and Sengoku but they would have their hands full with the Blackbeard crew if they decided to show up.

-Mihawk would not participate

-The ministers are at least vice admiral level or above

-Luffy would not get involved

-If Doffy does business with Linlin then he sure as hell would not get involved

However if BB doesn't show up and all warlords are present and participating then the Marines will win.
Akainu fists her and all her crew.
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Big mam would swat akainu like the fly he is compared to any yonkou
 

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Big mam crew decimate the marineford, especially if Linlin ate some extremely delicious food beforehand. The only ones to challenge Linlin herself would be Garp and Sengoku but they would have their hands full with the Blackbeard crew if they decided to show up.

-Mihawk would not participate

-The ministers are at least vice admiral level or above

-Luffy would not get involved

-If Doffy does business with Linlin then he sure as hell would not get involved

However if BB doesn't show up and all warlords are present and participating then the Marines will win.

Big mam would swat akainu like the fly he is compared to any yonkou
Why would BB crew show up though? They weren't there for fun they were there for WB.

Why are you just arbitrarily assuming mihawk wouldn't show up?

The OP literally said Luffy would still show up, everything would be the same except WB's crew replaced with BM's. All the ID prisoners would still be there. Not that they really helped.


OT: WB was still WSM at that point in time which means in WG eyes he was still >BM. Without his health he wouldn't have died but BM has to contend with hunger issues too. Who knows if her hunger fits wouldn't cause her downfall like WB's heart attacks. I don't think any Admiral can win 1v1 against any Yonkou but I also don't think any one Yonkou crew could beat all the Admirals, the fleet Admiral, Garp and all the Shichibukai.
 

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Why would BB crew show up though? They weren't there for fun they were there for WB.

Why are you just arbitrarily assuming mihawk wouldn't show up?

The OP literally said Luffy would still show up, everything would be the same except WB's crew replaced with BM's. All the ID prisoners would still be there. Not that they really helped.


OT: WB was still WSM at that point in time which means in WG eyes he was still >BM. Without his health he wouldn't have died but BM has to contend with hunger issues too. Who knows if her hunger fits wouldn't cause her downfall like WB's heart attacks. I don't think any Admiral can win 1v1 against any Yonkou but I also don't think any one Yonkou crew could beat all the Admirals, the fleet Admiral, Garp and all the Shichibukai.
Yeah WB was the WSM at MF but you do know that BM is not a man? Unless WSM means Worlds Strongest Milf.
 

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Yeah WB was the WSM at MF but you do know that BM is not a man? Unless WSM means Worlds Strongest Milf.
Fair enough and you just made me think of something. WB - World Strongest Man, Kaidou - World Strongest Creature, BM - (whether said or not) World Strongest Woman. All the Emperor's are World Strongest something, so Shanks....Worlds Strongest Period. I know that's gonna rustle a few feathers, jk btw but I wonder if Shanks will get some WS title? You could assume he had World Strongest Swordsman at one point until he lost his arm and the title to Mihawk but that's unverifiable.
 

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Why would BB crew show up though? They weren't there for fun they were there for WB.

Why are you just arbitrarily assuming mihawk wouldn't show up?

The OP literally said Luffy would still show up, everything would be the same except WB's crew replaced with BM's. All the ID prisoners would still be there. Not that they really helped.


OT: WB was still WSM at that point in time which means in WG eyes he was still >BM. Without his health he wouldn't have died but BM has to contend with hunger issues too. Who knows if her hunger fits wouldn't cause her downfall like WB's heart attacks. I don't think any Admiral can win 1v1 against any Yonkou but I also don't think any one Yonkou crew could beat all the Admirals, the fleet Admiral, Garp and all the Shichibukai.
Lmao it's like he just ignores the thread and makes his own thread. "Luffy wouldn't get involved" Lmao the op says Laffy will get involved so he will, that's what the op says lmao
 

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Fair enough and you just made me think of something. WB - World Strongest Man, Kaidou - World Strongest Creature, BM - (whether said or not) World Strongest Woman. All the Emperor's are World Strongest something, so Shanks....Worlds Strongest Period. I know that's gonna rustle a few feathers, jk btw but I wonder if Shanks will get some WS title? You could assume he had World Strongest Swordsman at one point until he lost his arm and the title to Mihawk but that's unverifiable.
Oda said (after he Introduced Kaido as the world's strongest creature) that "a mother is the world's strongest being, even stronger than Kaido"

And he also said that after Luffy said "I'll beat Kaido then come back for you"

People speculate he's talking about mom's in general, but I think he ment big mom, but he didn't specifically say big mom so who knows
 

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Oda said (after he Introduced Kaido as the world's strongest creature) that "a mother is the world's strongest being, even stronger than Kaido"

And he also said that after Luffy said "I'll beat Kaido then come back for you"

People speculate he's talking about mom's in general, but I think he ment big mom, but he didn't specifically say big mom so who knows
It is possible I just don't believe it yet. Kaido slapped 3 Nova out one under his control and another in his prison while BM was pushed, hard, by two Nova. Granted one of the nova against BM was the MC but Bege is widely viewed as the lower tier of the Nova probably even after now.
 

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Oda said (after he Introduced Kaido as the world's strongest creature) that "a mother is the world's strongest being, even stronger than Kaido"

And he also said that after Luffy said "I'll beat Kaido then come back for you"

People speculate he's talking about mom's in general, but I think he ment big mom, but he didn't specifically say big mom so who knows
It is possible I just don't believe it yet. Kaido slapped 3 Nova out one under his control and another in his prison while BM was pushed, hard, by two Nova. Granted one of the nova against BM was the MC but Bege is widely viewed as the lower tier of the Nova probably even after now.
Yeah Oda was clearly being 100% serious when he said that...
 

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Yeah Oda was clearly being 100% serious when he said that...
Not saying he was 100% serious but it could still prove to be true. I don't see it and it's impossible to say until we see or learn more about the remaining Yonko but it's not impossible, we still need to see her be hurt outside of Mother Caramel photos being destroyed because even hungry she showed no signs of anything from Nami's Zeus attack(which people were presenting as a yonko level attack because it may or may not have been amped by using Zeus as a conductor) If anything she's gotten more dangerous as she gets hungrier, or at least more aggressive.
 

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Why would BB crew show up though? They weren't there for fun they were there for WB.
They were there for his devil fruit but in Op's scenario Ace is not the one captured and someone has to be responsible for bringing Pudding in to the government.
So if Blackbeard is/was the one responsible for bring in Pudding for this scenario then he has to be involved in this war one way or another.

He is a Warlord after all...

Why are you just arbitrarily assuming mihawk wouldn't show up?
I said he wouldn't participate not show up. His whole interest in this whole thing revolves around straw hat so that peeked his interest in the war in the first place. Otherwise he wouldn't be doing much like Kuma did. Everyone in the WB war participated with those that spiked their curiosity or benefited them in some type of way.
The OP literally said Luffy would still show up, everything would be the same except WB's crew replaced with BM's. All the ID prisoners would still be there. Not that they really helped.
Then what would luffy be doing? Because he wouldn't be trying to save pudding or try fighting any admirals that's for sure. If Luffy just happened to be there he would be busy with smoker, aokiji, or blackbeard if anything.
 

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They were there for his devil fruit but in Op's scenario Ace is not the one captured and someone has to be responsible for bringing Pudding in to the government.
So if Blackbeard is/was the one responsible for bring in Pudding for this scenario then he has to be involved in this war one way or another.

He is a Warlord after all...
Fair enough.


I said he wouldn't participate not show up. His whole interest in this whole thing revolves around straw hat so that peeked his interest in the war in the first place. Otherwise he wouldn't be doing much like Kuma did. Everyone in the WB war participated with those that spiked their curiosity or benefited them in some type of way.


Then what would luffy be doing? Because he wouldn't be trying to save pudding or try fighting any admirals that's for sure. If Luffy just happened to be there he would be busy with smoker, aokiji, or blackbeard if anything.
Did you read the OP? Luffy still come to help pudding.. Who cares about why the OP laid the scenario that Luffy would be there and would be there with the intent of rescuing. Mihawk would still participate. But if Luffy weren't there than you might be right but there might be someone there that got his attention as well, he did show interest in WB and a little in Jozu it seemed.
 

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Not saying he was 100% serious but it could still prove to be true. I don't see it and it's impossible to say until we see or learn more about the remaining Yonko but it's not impossible, we still need to see her be hurt outside of Mother Caramel photos being destroyed because even hungry she showed no signs of anything from Nami's Zeus attack(which people were presenting as a yonko level attack because it may or may not have been amped by using Zeus as a conductor) If anything she's gotten more dangerous as she gets hungrier, or at least more aggressive.
Right, they all thought big mom did that with Zeus like it was normal. "She must've just used Zeus to finish them off"

So that makes me think.. What she like with intent to kill, because all she's been doing Is trying too find cake, she hasn't attacked anyone specifically. She jumped on the boat and just started breaking the boat lol, she didn't want to harm the cake ig
 
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Fair enough.




Did you read the OP? Luffy still come to help pudding.. Who cares about why the OP laid the scenario that Luffy would be there and would be there with the intent of rescuing. Mihawk would still participate. But if Luffy weren't there than you might be right but there might be someone there that got his attention as well, he did show interest in WB and a little in Jozu it seemed.
Mihawk wasn’t interested in Jozu, Jozu just intercepted his slash. He told his colleagues that he only wanted to measure the strength differences between him and the yonkou.
As for Luffy saving pudding I didn’t read that in the op, that was my mistake but I don’t see people helping him in in the original paramount war and I see him getting stuck fighting smoker if anything and losing.
 
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