do byakugu stand a chance against teh powers of Byakugan????..

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from the only place were they get there arguments

and it isn't from any official source like the manga/novel/anime/canon movie/DB/Kishi/etc...

Yep, all they can do is depend on Kurama, who is a separate being. That's like saying Yin Seal can undo genjutsu because Tailed Beasts can undo genjutsu. It is a joke.
 

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Thats False, it implies their entire physicality.


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It would seem Tsunade’s “outrageous strength” completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

  • One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta’s huge dosu** with absurd ease…?!

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  • Here’s to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime’s insane, “Legendary”, power!!



First off Shin didn't low diff her in the filler, their taijutsu or cqc match was a draw. Secondly Sakura wasn't using the full capabilities of her CES, the impact of her CES punch is dependent on the amount of chakra she channels into fist. If Sakura would've used the same amount of chakra as she did in instances like when she punched a metro sized whole in the ground after awakening her seal during the climax of the war, the cave would've fell in on them.

a) did we see CES, happen without the hands or feet?
b) Sakura was out to kill Shin and later threw a gigantic pillar at him


again what did SHIN do?

he countered were she can't expel chakra, her wrists

her headbutt in the said gif could've had CES but it didn't


again anyone who has some taijutsu skill and speed can parry it

if you have the GF you can even end it completely and make them useless if you are close enough

Edit: Also this means FROG KATA is better then CES since it has that strike Zone thing were it can hit you anyways

Yep, all they can do is depend on Kurama, who is a separate being. That's like saying Yin Seal can undo genjutsu because Tailed Beasts can undo genjutsu. It is a joke.

like if byakugou is an external sentient being lol
 
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they push chakra that they stored like a bank into their system giving them or at least Sakura 3 years worth of stored chakra



literally find the spot where it is stored and block it with GF

hit any other chakra point and they can't even bring chakra into the said area to heal their wounds or do CES

Nope.

As I stated before the seal can be blocked and I dod agree a chakra point can be too but in this case it can be reopened with the enormous stong amount of chakra released from their seal using YIN SEAL Release It would work just as Naruto did in the scan below..

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but thats if they get hit.
 

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a) did we see CES, happen without the hands or feet?

Yes but again, CES isn't just limited to their hands and feet like you said (which is false).

Sakura using her hands & feet are just two ways to utilize the technique.


b) Sakura was out to kill Shin and later threw a gigantic pillar at him


again what did SHIN do?

Shin had to eat the pillar to force himself out of its way but thats what Sakura wanted him to do.

he countered were she can't expel chakra, her wrists

What are you talking about? Shin did not counter CES or Sakura channeling chakra to her fist (if she was using CES instead of her natural strength), he simply blocked her strikes.

her headbutt in the said gif could've had CES but it didn't

And? As I sated before, Sakura can choose what she wants to amplify and you'll know when she does.



Also this means FROG KATA is better then CES since it has that strike Zone thing were it can hit you anyways

Frog Kata is actually very similar to CES at Sakura's level at least, Sakura doesn't have to touch anything wether it be a person or object in order for it to be impacted by her strength.. very similar...
 
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Nope.

As I stated before the seal can be blocked and I dod agree a chakra point can be too but in this case it can be reopened with the enormous stong amount of chakra released from their seal using YIN SEAL Release It would work just as Naruto did in the scan below..

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but thats if they get hit.

again the Jinjuriki seal does not equal the byakugou

a) Kuruma is a sentient being
b) he is locked away in another EXTERNAL place
c) his chakra is a different chakra like an outside source applying medical aid

So Sakura or Tsunade providing their own chakra to whatever thing is like them trying to get there chakra into their fists after the GF basically shut down all points on their wrists (Neji did that to Hinata during their fight)

and all in all even after that (to which the byakugou is a bank stored into a chakra point and not an Uzumaki Jin seal that brings a tailed beasts chakra into another dimension only to seep out and mix with the hosts chakra)


we saw that with enough skill you can seal even that too as shown with Himawari

(NOTE: Neji learnt the Rotation and 64 Palm via his own way and eventually we saw his rotation improve in speed and size when Hiashi later taught him post the exams)

Yes but again, CES isn't just limited to their hands and feet like you said (which is false).

Sakura using hand & feet just two ways to utilize the technique.




Shin had to eat the pillar to force himself out of its way but thats what Sakura wanted him to do.



What are you talking about? Shin did not counter CES or Sakura channeling chakra to her fist (if she was using CES instead of her natural strength), he simply blocked her strikes.



And? As I sated before, Sakura can choose what she wants to amplify and you'll know when she does.





Frog Kata is actually very similar to CES at Sakura's level at least, Sakura doesn't have to touch anything wether it be a person or object in order for it to be impacted by her strength.. very similar...

show my a scan or episode to which Sakura did CES with something else

I am going by what TenTen said about Jounins
 
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To make it simple

Kurama is a separate entity, Who could control/Mold and use his own chakra as it was only naruto's points that were shut down which doesn't effect kurama's chakra control at all.

Tsunade/Sakura cannot control/use the chakra within their seal without a chakra network, Chakra control is needed to force chakra through closed chakra points.
Shut down network = No control = No forcefully opening chakra nodes = No Byakugou/Yin seal usage.
 

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Byakugan can help kill off any Byakugou user. Irrespective of level of Hyuuga.
 

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Arguments mentioned here are silly.

1. Byakugou point is not a chakra point(at least was never mentioned to be one) so that is fanfic.
2. Even if byakugou was on the chakra network, it would mean tsunade and sakura have control over that chakra point anyways. So if a byakugan user closed it they would just reopen it of their own will.
3. Byakugou would register as an external source of chakra. So even if the chakra points gets sealed of, they would just open byakugou seal and force it into the chakra network to open the points. The only argument here should be if the amount of chakra in byakugo is strong enough to reopen the chakra points which I believe it is.
 

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To make it simple

Kurama is a separate entity, Who could control/Mold and use his own chakra as it was only naruto's points that were shut down which doesn't effect kurama's chakra control at all.

Tsunade/Sakura cannot control/use the chakra within their seal without a chakra network, Chakra control is needed to force chakra through closed chakra points.
Shut down network = No control = No forcefully opening chakra nodes = No Byakugou/Yin seal usage.

Let alone Kuruma is his own separate beast with his own network
Arguments mentioned here are silly.

1. Byakugou point is not a chakra point(at least was never mentioned to be one) so that is fanfic.
2. Even if byakugou was on the chakra network, it would mean tsunade and sakura have control over that chakra point anyways. So if a byakugan user closed it they would just reopen it of their own will.
3. Byakugou would register as an external source of chakra. So even if the chakra points gets sealed of, they would just open byakugou seal and force it into the chakra network to open the points. The only argument here should be if the amount of chakra in byakugo is strong enough to reopen the chakra points which I believe it is.

again are arguments actually have a basis

you on the other hand literally just said because it wasn't specifically mentioned as a chakra point instead of a point then I can write a bunch of fanfic

nevertheless even with your fanfic we saw that Himawari was able to seal even a Jinjuriki

to which Naruto wasn't able to force it back open and was out for an entire day
 
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3. Byakugou would register as an external source of chakra. So even if the chakra points gets sealed of, they would just open byakugou seal and force it into the chakra network to open the points. The only argument here should be if the amount of chakra in byakugo is strong enough to reopen the chakra points which I believe it is.

One external is under the control of a separate entity, which has the ability to create and mold it's own chakra, Completely independently from naruto and his chakra network

The other requires control from the user, anything that effects the users control over chakra directly effects the seal.
 

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One external is under the control of a separate entity, which has the ability to create and mold it's own chakra, Completely independently from naruto and his chakra network

The other requires control from the user, anything that effects the users control over chakra directly effects the seal.

Trying to understand you here. Your argument is that without chakra she can't open the seal?
 

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again the Jinjuriki seal does not equal the byakugou


Never said it was.

a) Kuruma is a sentient being

Irrelevant because Kuruma didn't force his chakra out of the seal after neji blocked it, Naruto forced or channeled the chakra out himself.

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Kuruma wasn't illustrated "feeling or perceiving" anything either.


b) he is locked away in another EXTERNAL place

Byakugou is an External place as well it only becomes internal once someone opens it.


So Sakura or Tsunade providing their own chakra to whatever thing is like them trying to get there chakra into their fists after the GF basically shut down all points on their wrists (Neji did that to Hinata during their fight)

Non it's not the same, when they use Yin Seal Release the chakra is to vast or enormous for them to control or mould it because it's all released at once. Its the exact opposite when using CES, they actually control the chakra for that unlike the latter.


show my a scan or episode to which Sakura did CES with something else

I just posted the DB that dead ass says Tsunade uses CES for feats like lifting Gamabunta’s sword so

I am going by what TenTen said about Jounins[/QUOTE]
 

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Trying to understand you here. Your argument is that without chakra she can't open the seal?

That wasn't my point but also yes, Chakra is needed to Seal/Unseal, same with every seal. Unless the seal or the chakra inside it is sentient like kurama

Regardless of the seal's state, be it sealed or released, if the chakra points are blocked it shouldn't be able to be used.
 

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slavewari can't do $h!t against teh powers of sarada ucchiwa..

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OT: Byakugou injects chakra into the body so would technically be able to forcibly open pressed points. Grants regenerative healing which would allow to regenerate any damage received by the user. It allows the ability to resist Rokudo rods and still carry on fighting. The seal is actually overpowered and highly under rated.
 
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where did it say byakugou was an external source similar to Kuruma a chakra beast sealed away into some realm?

When something is sealed away from something, is it still apart of or included with what it was separated from? Its like withdrawing bood into a bag, it’s stil yurnbood but it isn’t in your body. The blood would be the chakra and the bag would be the seal, simple.
 
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Never said it was.



Irrelevant because Kuruma didn't force his chakra out of the seal after neji blocked it, Naruto forced or channeled the chakra out himself.

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Kuruma wasn't illustrated "feeling or perceiving" anything either.




Byakugou is an External place as well it only becomes internal once someone opens it.




Non it's not the same, when they use Yin Seal Release the chakra is to vast or enormous for them to control or mould it because it's all released at once. Its the exact opposite when using CES, they actually control the chakra for that unlike the latter.




I just posted the DB that dead ass says Tsunade uses CES for feats like lifting Gamabunta’s sword so

I am going by what TenTen said about Jounins

she lifted the sword with her hands did she not?


come on, same thing with the pillar, we use manga fiction logic and their pseudo physics


plus Naruto's seal had a mechanism that allowed the Kyuubi's chakra to seep out

Jirayah taught him how to utilize it and during that time (where he summoned Gumabunta for the first time) he had a agreement with the Kyuubi


later we learn Kuruma was pushing out his chakra to have Naruto get addicted to it and rely on it so that he can be freed


not only that but again Kuruma's chakra is different from Naruto's as it mixes with Naruto's chakra


eventually it all doesn't even matter in the end since we learnt that a more skilled GF can seal both external and internal

When something is sealed away from something, is it still apart of or included with what it was separated from?

she never said sealed away or implied it was external to her like the Jin seal
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Byakugo as a technique means nothing to Byakugan.

Gentle Fist can close off Seals as shown by both Neji and Himawari, as long as the user is strong enough. Even if that were to be excluded, who's to say Gentle Fist can't damage at a faster rate than Byakugo can heal?

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eventually it all doesn't even matter in the end since we learnt that a more skilled GF can seal both external and internal

When?? I really hope you don't mean the himawari thing.

Against Neji it was Naruto that drew out kurama's chakra clearly so I don't understand all the roundabout
 
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