The accomplishment(s) of a genius.

[Animegoin]

Why do we need two threads dedicated to this character’s prowess? Drop it.

 

[Melanin]

If there's really nothing to contribute, then don't respond to my post with meaningless gifs?

The gifs aren’t meaningless, read the words in them.

That is a complete downplay in what details a 'what is passed down, and what is created'. Tsuande created these things she taught Sakura, and Sakura reaped those benefits from second hand information.

And what your missing is that there is no true benefit in this case of Tsunade giving Sakura second hand information in reference to her techniques becuase receiving that information doesn’t nothing for you in regards to exempting the technique. You have to have the actual skill (god given skill by manga standards) to use Tsunades strongest techniques. Again look at shizune....

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She was Tsunades first apprentice and she received Tsunades “second hand information” too.

No one is downplaying Sakura's skill when it comes to learning medical ninjutsu, which requires someone to have good chakra control, but that doesn't make them talented.

Well this doesn’t apply to Sakura at all becuase before Tsunade was even mentioned Kakashi was already hyping Sakura’s chakra control as something beyond talent talent (superb) and even that of a master.

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And Tsunade Keyed in on the talent shortly after meeting her.

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Especially when she crafted her skills over many years of training via a Sannin.

And what I’m trying to get you to understand is that sakuras inate skills and her a learning period of three years allowed her to parallel then bypass the skills Tsunades crafted over her years as a sannin.

Because it's the darn truth. Remove Tsunade out of the equation, where is Sakura? Nowhere. She's in the dirt.

Again irrelevant here.

Becuase this thread isn’t asking you to do something ch a thing and it’s shifting the argument off topic. The topic is that Sakura used her genius attributes to learn the bypass her masters teachings (teachings Tsunades first student could harness) the n under three years.

Everything else is off topic.

Tsunade mastering medical ninjutsu within an unlimited time, and changing what it means to be a Medical Ninja by herself, is what a true Genius is.

Sakura mastering medical ninjutsu in a limited amount of time and learning every single technique that Tsunade herself created in that same limited amount of time (which consist of three years) using her natural talent & smarts is the make of a true genius with tons of potential.

Sakura learning what Tsunade did, never hailed the term Genius from nobody, not Tsunade.

That’s never been an argument here, no one has ever said that anyone in the manga considered Sakura a genius becuase she accomplished Tsunades entire arsenal in three short years. The argument is that her doing those things is the make of a genius lol

So I'm quite astonished that you could even consider Sakura's feats to be that impressve anyway. I mean even a pre-Academy Sarada learned to bring her CES strength before she wore a headband, which took Sakura 3 years post-Genin. Talk about genius

I’m going to leave this aloe, it’s complete BS

 

[To Whatever]

Sarada makes her Mother seem incompetent in comparison.

Mastered CES earlier than her mother among other things.

 

[Joshutsu]

It's half and half. Sakura came to Tsunade with necessary skills to master Tsunade's hardest techniques such as her chakra control and great intellect(genius), however she worked extremely hard to learn everything in 3 years because of her will to do better.

I love calling her a hard worker because she surpassed people born into clans and having stuff under their belt way before she did. She even became an idol to many upcoming shinobi as mentioned in her novel. Very impressive.

Edit: she is definitely talented to an extent because she held it down in part 2 all up until mid war whilst having to focus on maintaining a flow of chakra to an S rank technique.

 

[Joshutsu]

Sarada makes her Mother seem incompetent in comparison.

Mastered CES earlier than her mother among other things.

Doesn't make any sense. If Tsunade was teaching Sakura since the academy days she would have CES in the clutch before the chunin exams. Please lol

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Has anyone ever called her a genius in the manga? Not talking shit but I don’t see her as a neji,kakashi,itachi,sasuke, or minato type. Those are the ones that have literally been called geniuses(that I can remember) and I just don’t see her in that bracket

 

[Animegoin]

Has anyone ever called her a genius in the manga? Not talking shit but I don’t see her as a neji,kakashi,itachi,sasuke, or minato type. Those are the ones that have literally been called geniuses(that I can remember) and I just don’t see her in that bracket

Shikamaru also and I agree.

 

[To Whatever]

Doesn't make any sense. If Tsunade was teaching Sakura since the academy days she would have CES in the clutch before the chunin exams. Please lol

You're speculating.

 

[Joshutsu]

You're speculating.

You can't bash Sakura saying Sarada learned something earlier than her because Sakura didn't have the opportunity to learn it earlier.

If they both had access to it at the same point in time but Sakura took until part 2 to learn it then your statement might have made sense.

It is speculation on my part but it's actually backed up by the fact Sakura already had superb chakra control and had already showed feats of moving chakra to her feet and releasing it in an instant to buff her speed to blitz Ino. Which is in effect what CES is in concept

 

[Melanin]

Okay yeah wait, I’d rather have Sakura be a hard-worker than a genius, she’s an exceptional medical ninja who worked really hard and didn’t have anything handed to her. Not a genius in Naruto standards, guess i got carried away because someone so good at their profession can easily be mistaken for a genius. She’s still a renowned medical ninja tho

Geniuses work hard too and don’t have anything handed to them either, exceptional intelligence doesn’t negate hard work. It only makes a persons possibilities bigger...

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

No matter how much her fans want it to be so the manga simply disagrees.

Everything about her comes from Tsunade and she has nothing to show as her own. People like Tsunade or Kabuto are the real medical geniuses compared to whom Sakura's accomplishments are next to nothing.

 

[Melanin]

No matter how much some fans want, the manga presents Sakura as a genius becuase only a genius could not only match the best medic in the world in three years but learn every one of their techniques during that same timespan.

Everything that Sakura learned from Tsunade she had to master on her own using her intellect and chakra control which was already there before Tsunade was even introduced to the manga. Tsunade only gave her genius attributes a chance to shine (which they did). Remember that it only took Sakura three years to match then surpass a real medical genius, that’s an accomplishment that will ever be next to nothing.

 

[Uverdore9]

Sakura will never be considered a Genius in manga standards. She's a hard-worker, and that's all she ever will be.

The real genius is Tsunade, who gave Sakura the necessary tools to stand with real geniuses, despite her lack of skills and battle sense.

Uhh gifs doesn't really contribute to anything.

It's the factual truth, Sakura would be nothing without Tsunade. Meanwhile, true geniuses in the story, were able to reach a certain level without help. For example:

Sasuke, trained himself post-massacre, to which he was able to even surprise Orochimaru.
Neji became one of the strongest Hyuuga members by himself.

In case of hard workers, Jiraiya took Naruto under his wing during the Chunin Examinations, and gave him a fighting chance. Still he wasn't skilled, and relied heavily on his chakra reserves and Kyuubi chakra, which made gave him the necessary tools to stand above.

Sakura? She was piss poor in Part 1... I mean she was literally the weakest in her age group, weaker than Hinata who was considered to be the lowest of the Hyuuga Clan. But what changed? Tsunade scooped her out of her feet.

Most prodigal and genius shinobi are those who showed amazing feats and masterful skill early on, that's why they are considered above the rest, case in point Boruto in the next generation. Who told Kakashi that Naruto didn't even teach him the shadow clone jutsu, and yet he was able to bring himself so far that Kakashi praised him. By himself.

But Sakura on the other hand, she crawled to the near-mid of the food chain, not by being a genius or a prodigy, but because she worked hard. Because she had Tsunade to give her everything she created.

It seems to me like a rising insecurity to prove that Sakura is something she isn't, and what's worse, you just tried to downplay Tsunade's efforts. Sakura didn't make herself known in the World because of how she changed it (key point: Go back to that thread you made about "changing the medical system/world" which turned out to be incredibly false). Whereas Tsunade, became a Sannin along with Jiraiya and Orochimaru.

3 Genius ninjas who created their own techniques, and created their own paths.

If anything Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura just reaped out of their benefits, but definitely more than others... Just saying. No harm to Sakura but she worked hard, but she's not even close to 1% of Sasuke's talent.

If there's really nothing to contribute, then don't respond to my post with meaningless gifs?


That is a complete downplay in what details a 'what is passed down, and what is created'. Tsuande created these things she taught Sakura, and Sakura reaped those benefits from second hand information. This is why it took Minato years to create the Rasengan, and why someone like Boruto, could learn it in a few days. Naruto, weeks.

No one is downplaying Sakura's skill when it comes to learning medical ninjutsu, which requires someone to have good chakra control, but that doesn't make them talented. Especially when she crafted her skills over many years of training via a Sannin.

Now if Sakura had brought herself, herself key point, to a high level with any form of ninjutsu, medical ninjutsu, or even genjutsu (taijutsu too) -- You would have a really fair point.


Because it's the darn truth. Remove Tsunade out of the equation, where is Sakura? Nowhere. She's in the dirt.

Remove Orochimaru out of Sasuke's equation, where is he? Still would be considered a higher level than his team mates, and class. He just probably wouldn't be low-kage in Shippuden.

Remove Jiraiya out of Naruto's equation, where he is? He would be struggling and piss poor.

There's a large difference between someone the Manga hails as a natural born genius, and someone who is working hard off of other people's success.


Tsunade mastering medical ninjutsu within an unlimited time, and changing what it means to be a Medical Ninja by herself, is what a true Genius is.

Sakura learning what Tsunade did, never hailed the term Genius from nobody, not Tsunade, not even Shizune. Not once did anyone consider those three years to be impressive by the standard of incredibly gifted via the term "exceptional among her peers".

Heck, after mid-Part 2 she became a meaningless regardless. Soon after Naruto learned Futon: Rasenshuriken... lol. Right after Naruto reached Kage level with Sage Mode, Sasuke was already Kage level, and Sakura remained piss poor again.

So I'm quite astonished that you could even consider Sakura's feats to be that impressve anyway. I mean even a pre-Academy Sarada learned to bring her CES strength before she wore a headband, which took Sakura 3 years post-Genin. Talk about genius :lol

I find your post a bit hypocritical.


You say Sakura doesnt come 1% to sasukes talent but then again, what was sasuke without kakashi? What would he have turned out if he didnt have a teacher like Orochimaru passing him the guidelines.


The Databook states she only needed the basics taught to her and she successful mastered the complex parts of medical ninjutsu herself.

Not just that the databook says tsunade taught sakura byakugou because she recognized her talent.


If she didnt have talent in short, she wouldnt have learned it no matter how much hard working she was.


Was shizune was hardworking throughout her time with her? Yes.


Then why couldnt she master it?


Because her talent doesnt exceed sakura's which is necessary to master byakugo.


Love how you guys talk about talent without knowing in narutoverse those who dont have talent has to steal it from somebody else(kabuto's words) and which, sakura didnt do.



Which means she's a genius to master such a technique.


Inventing never really was the definition for genius.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I'd really love to see where the manga presents Sakura as a genius :lol

Fact is that Sakura could never match the ingenuity of real geniuses like Tsunade or Kabuto. Even now if you put her against those two medical geniuses she'd lose against them easily. Just learning a few difficult techniques from others to be called a genius is nothing but wishful thinking and nothing more.

 

[To Whatever]

You can't bash Sakura saying Sarada learned something earlier than her because Sakura didn't have the opportunity to learn it earlier.

If they both had access to it at the same point in time but Sakura took until part 2 to learn it then your statement might have made sense.

It is speculation on my part but it's actually backed up by the fact Sakura already had superb chakra control and had already showed feats of moving chakra to her feet and releasing it in an instant to buff her speed to blitz Ino. Which is in effect what CES is in concept

I'm not bashing, it's the truth.

Sarada mastering CES while she was basically learning her ABC is a feat that makes Sakura's look pedestrian.

Each generation surpasses the last. Sarada just did laps around her mom. She still has to catch up to her dad though.

 

[Joshutsu]

I'm not bashing, it's the truth.

Sarada mastering CES while she was basically learning her ABC is a feat that makes Sakura's look pedestrian.

Each generation surpasses the last. Sarada just did laps around her mom. She still has to catch up to her dad though.

Sarada did not master CES first of all. She still has ways to go as she has not performed a comparable feat to early part 2 Sakura to date when using CES.

Sarada will surpass her mother in the future, that is not up for debate here. Stay on topic, you guys love deflecting arguments by bringing up other ones.

However, you saying Sarada learned it earlier than Sakura in an attempt to downplay it is incorrect. The bottom line is Sarada just had Sakura earlier than tsunade. There's no refuting that and Sakura part 1 feat.

 

[FreeTanner17]

I’d say part one is enough to leave both Naruto and Sakura in the dust in terms of being talented. Sasuke was talented, and things came to him with ease, whereas Naruto and Sakura had to work very hard to obtain. However, Naruto was able to perfect the shadow clone and learn the rasengan in part one, whereas Sakura repeatedly mentioned that she felt useless. Until Tsunade took her under her wing, she had little sense of direction. Now, did it take skill to become a renowned medic and to master the byakugou? Yes, but she wouldn’t have gotten there were it not for tsunades he’d training. They showed how hard tsunade made it on Sakura during her time spent with her. Genius? Hardly, she just happened to have an amazing mentor who led her in the right direction. Same with Naruto. It’s laughable to think that Naruto is a genius, yet he’s extremely hard working and follows his gut/instincts well which has allowed to become a demi-god. You can’t change Feminazi’s minds like Rasta though haha. I left for two years, come back, and nothings changed

 

[To Whatever]

I’d say part one is enough to leave both Naruto and Sakura in the dust in terms of being talented. Sasuke was talented, and things came to him with ease, whereas Naruto and Sakura had to work very hard to obtain. However, Naruto was able to perfect the shadow clone and learn the rasengan in part one, whereas Sakura repeatedly mentioned that she felt useless. Until Tsunade took her under her wing, she had little sense of direction. Now, did it take skill to become a renowned medic and to master the byakugou? Yes, but she wouldn’t have gotten there were it not for tsunades he’d training. They showed how hard tsunade made it on Sakura during her time spent with her. Genius? Hardly, she just happened to have an amazing mentor who led her in the right direction. Same with Naruto. It’s laughable to think that Naruto is a genius, yet he’s extremely hard working and follows his gut/instincts well which has allowed to become a demi-god. You can’t change Feminazi’s minds like Rasta though haha. I left for two years, come back, and nothings changed

I’m not going to debate you on the rest since I didn’t read it. But things didn’t come to him with ease. He trained for it. He’s a genius of hard work like Lee except he’s also a transmigration of Indra.

Boruto is someone who has things that come to him with ease based off what Naruto said about how he’s like Sasuke. Then correct himself saying that even you had dirty clothes. Kind of referencing the tree climbing training and him at the dock practicing katon.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I’d say part one is enough to leave both Naruto and Sakura in the dust in terms of being talented. Sasuke was talented, and things came to him with ease, whereas Naruto and Sakura had to work very hard to obtain. However, Naruto was able to perfect the shadow clone and learn the rasengan in part one, whereas Sakura repeatedly mentioned that she felt useless. Until Tsunade took her under her wing, she had little sense of direction. Now, did it take skill to become a renowned medic and to master the byakugou? Yes, but she wouldn’t have gotten there were it not for tsunades he’d training. They showed how hard tsunade made it on Sakura during her time spent with her. Genius? Hardly, she just happened to have an amazing mentor who led her in the right direction. Same with Naruto. It’s laughable to think that Naruto is a genius, yet he’s extremely hard working and follows his gut/instincts well which has allowed to become a demi-god. You can’t change Feminazi’s minds like Rasta though haha. I left for two years, come back, and nothings changed

Have you even read the manga? It was Sakura who decided on her direction and approached Tsunade to become her apprentice.

Ps. Naruto isn't a genius not even close and he became what he did through plot BS and bad writing. The moment the story became about Indra and Asura everybody including Kakashi became second rate.

 

[FreeTanner17]

Have you even read the manga? It was Sakura who decided on her direction and approached Tsunade to become her apprentice.

Ps. Naruto isn't a genius not even close and he became what he did through plot BS and bad writing. The moment the story became about Indra and Asura everybody including Kakashi became second rate.

okay first off, where did I say that Sakura didn’t approach tsunade? She approached her, but that’s still considered Tsunade taking her under her wing, not the other way around lol. Second off, I never said Naruto was a genius. I stated explicitly that Both Naruto and Sakura has to work very hard to obtain their current power. Sasuke obtained things with relative ease due to him being a naturally-born talented Uchiha. Although he worked hard, it’s shown that in the 2 year gap between part 1 & part 2, Sasuke progressed much more rapidly compared to Naruto and Sakura. At that point and time, they were pretty much fodder compared to Sasuke. The reason Naruto and Sasuke stand on equal ground now is due to Naruto’s persistence and the gifts that they received nearing the end of the war ark. Sasuke= Naturally gifted genius
Naruto & Sakura=Earned their talent/skill/power through hard work and determination