Are Sasuke and Sarada Really Geniuses?

[Char Aznable]

Chunin Exams/Sound Four arc Sasuke and current Sarada are the same age as Itachi was when he joined ANBU and killed his fellow clan members.

Itachi was a genius no doubt, with uncanny skill and power. However, looking at Sasuke at the same age and Sarada now, they just seem to be a bit better than their classmates.

Sasuke def got high on his own hype. Pride goeth before the fall, when he realized people like Lee, Gaara and Naruto were stronger than him. Sarada doesn't have the Uchiha ego or lust for power. She has CES at a young age, but I wouldn't say that makes someone a genius.

Compared to Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Itachi, Neji and Kakashi's prodigy hype. There doesn't seem to be anything remarkable about Part 1 Sasuke and Sarada to merit the praise of genius.

What do you think?

 

[Uverdore9]

Sasuke was considered a genius by Kakashi though. He managed to steal a jounin's bells at such a young age and mastered the Fireball Technique at a pretty young age too. Which Kakashi thought was impossible for a kid of his age. Though , I get what you mean. You mean they have hype of some sort but they dont 'look' the part right? In terms of portrayal, yeah you have a point, they dont look that exemplary as opposed to thier counterparts but by feats they surpassed the previous generation but are you counting the post timeskip too? Then Sasuke has the hype but pre-timeskip, not that much. Sarada's feats are far superior to her previous position holders, and she doesnt actually use CES, she has not learned it until now, she uses raw physical strength.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Of course they are they are Uchihas after all.

 

[Char Aznable]

Sasuke was considered a genius by Kakashi though. He managed to steal a jounin's bells at such a young age and mastered the Fireball Technique at a pretty young age too. Which Kakashi thought was impossible for a kid of his age. Though , I get what you mean. You mean they have hype of some sort but they dont 'look' the part right? In terms of portrayal, yeah you have a point, they dont look that exemplary as opposed to thier counterparts but by feats they surpassed the previous generation but are you counting the post timeskip too? Then Sasuke has the hype but pre-timeskip, not that much. Sarada's feats are far superior to her previous position holders, and she doesnt actually use CES, she has not learned it until now, she uses raw physical strength.

Post-time skip, Hebi Sasuke is definitely low-kage level. In base he's high jonin for sure. He trounced and schooled a mid-jonin Yamato (who has hype only because he has Mokuton). While taking on Naruto and Sai. Sai giving the best performance against Hebi Sasuke. Sasuke's victory of Orochimaru and Dediara (a pupil of Ohnoki), solidify his skills.


It's just Part 1 Sasuke who really isn't anything special.

 

[123fire]

Sarada was younger than itachi when he murdered the clan so nope. To answer your question yeah Sarada took over her father’s solo scores

 

[Uverdore9]

Post-time skip, Hebi Sasuke is definitely low-kage level. In base he's high jonin for sure. He trounced and schooled a mid-jonin Yamato (who has hype only because he has Mokuton). While taking on Naruto and Sai. Sai giving the best performance against Hebi Sasuke. Sasuke's victory of Orochimaru and Dediara (a pupil of Ohnoki), solidify his skills.


It's just Part 1 Sasuke who really isn't anything special.

By hype, yeah he did not much going for him. It was full of his depressions about how he was behind Itachi and how Naruto was improving in a steady progress. So in that , his hype was pretty low towards the end.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I think you dont understand what genius is? There are types of geniuses and their hype.

Hiruzen, Orochimaru and Neji hype get shat on by Itachi. Hiruzen was a considered gifted and he considered Orochimaru a once in a decade genius, however Itachi shat on him like he's a fodder. Itachi is a genius that's aboce a once in a decade genius he's the rype that appears once centruy according to Danzo in Itachi shinden. It's evindeced by how how he shits on once in a decade geniuses as if they're flies to be swatted.

Neji isn't even in their league he's a different type of genius altogether. A genius of intution, he uses rational evaluation to learn jutsu not normally possible for the Hyuga.

Sasuke was following in Itachi's foot steos until Itachi killed off the clan, he had to learn and do most things himself. Sarada is the same, Sasuke's hardly there to train her. Geniuses need nourishment as well or they fall flat.

 

[Uverdore9]

I font think you dont understand what genius is? There are types ofe geniuses and their hype.

Hiruzen, Orochimaru and Neji hype get shat on by Itachi. Hiruzen was a considered gifted and he considered Orochimaru a once in a decade genius, however Itachi shat on him like he's a fodder. Itachi is a genius that's aboce a once in a decade genius he's the rype that appears once centruy according to Danzo in Itachi shinden. It's evindeced by how how he shits on once in a decade geniuses as if they're flies to be swatted.

Neji isn't even in their league he's a different type of genius altogether. A genius of intution, he uses rational evaluation to learn jutsu not normally possible for the Hyuga.

Sasuke was following in Itachi's foot steos until Itachi killed off the clan, he had to learn and do most things himself. Sarada is the same, Sasuke's hardly there to train her. Geniuses need nourishment as well or they fall flat.

That's a good point man. Sarada and Sasuke had no one to nurture them into full forte ninjas. And is , the novel shinden , canon?

 

[salamander uchiha]

That's a good point man. Sarada and Sasuke had no one to nurture them into full forte ninjas. And is , the novel shinden , canon?

Some view it as canon others do not, however the point still stands. It's more for the purpose of providing detail(filling in the blanks) and is said to have been written from kishi's material.

 

[neosmith500]

Man you cant compare any other genius to Itachi bruh.

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[FemmeFatale]

Sarada seems to be better tha itachi, because she isn't just like Sasuke she is also like Sakura .

 

[Uverdore9]

Sarada seems to be better tha itachi, because she isn't just like Sasuke she is also like Sakura .

Sarada could come close to surpassing Itachi though.


Sakura = Senju + Haruno.
Sasuke = Uchiha + All descendant Indra clans.
And I believe Sarada = Itachi's Transmigrant. Her genjutsu skills are picture perfect similar to his.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sarada could come close to surpassing Itachi though.


Sakura = Senju + Haruno.
Sasuke = Uchiha + All descendant Indra clans.
And I believe Sarada = Itachi's Transmigrant. Her genjutsu skills are picture perfect similar to his.

I think Sarada is better, because with a 1 tomoe her genjutsu is probably almost on par with itachis, and she most likely gets this from Sakura, who's genjutsu affinity >>>>>> a natural uchihas. So Sarada genjutsu will probably grow to be another level.

On top of that she have perfect chakra control and overwhelming strength things that Uchiha lacked in the past , not to mention she uses her sharingan better than him , instantly copying and analyzing

 

[chaos control]

Sarada could come close to surpassing Itachi though.


Sakura = Haruno
Sasuke = Uchiha
And I believe Sarada = Itachi's niece.

Fixed it for you.

Just because Sakura was taught by a Senju doesn't make her a Senju. CES and byakugou aren't Senju specific traits
What other Indra descendant clans? Sasuke is Uchiha. Are you suggesting that he is perhaps part Kaguya clan? I don't think so.
Itachi's chakara would not transmigrate. He is nowhere near strong enough to do that. Just because Sarada is good with genjutsu doesn't mean that it has anything to do with Itachi. Itachi isn't the only one that can be good with genjutsu.

 

[Greatness23]

Yea, I mean if Sasuke stayed he would have been a jonin/anbu off top after the time skip into shippuden. Itachi was and still a once in a lifetime, a every 50 years type of guy. Nobody else did or will do what he did at that age, its impossible.

Sauce was always a cut abovd the rest and if not for his bs obsession with revenge and power he'd have excelled way more than he did with Oro. Now, I think Sarada's genius is different. SHe's more of a Sakura with the tools to be great. Sakura was a "genius" in an academic sense, and so is Sarada. Unlike ha mama, she's got Uchiha chakra and prowess to work with ( she's obviously more versatile with the sharingan than sasuke has ever been). Not as flashy a talent though. I mean, sauce did body Oro in the forest of death

 

[FemmeFatale]

Fixed it for you.

Just because Sakura was taught by a Senju doesn't make her a Senju. CES and byakugou aren't Senju specific traits
What other Indra descendant clans? Sasuke is Uchiha. Are you suggesting that he is perhaps part Kaguya clan? I don't think so.
Itachi's chakara would not transmigrate. He is nowhere near strong enough to do that. Just because Sarada is good with genjutsu doesn't mean that it has anything to do with Itachi. Itachi isn't the only one that can be good with genjutsu.

It can be stated that Sakura is Senju/Uzumaki by spirit, because many times in the manga it states that her inherited Tsuande will and power, which she passed down to Sarada. So in relation to power, Sakura can be classified as such, however she will always be Haruno because that means she posesses natural perfect chakra control, strong will, intellegence, and genjutsu affinty all of which Sarada have inhereted, and the ability to replicate and senju/uzumaki arsenal. SHANAROO!

 

[Char Aznable]

I think you dont understand what genius is? There are types of geniuses and their hype.

Hiruzen, Orochimaru and Neji hype get shat on by Itachi. Hiruzen was a considered gifted and he considered Orochimaru a once in a decade genius, however Itachi shat on him like he's a fodder. Itachi is a genius that's aboce a once in a decade genius he's the rype that appears once centruy according to Danzo in Itachi shinden. It's evindeced by how how he shits on once in a decade geniuses as if they're flies to be swatted.

Neji isn't even in their league he's a different type of genius altogether. A genius of intution, he uses rational evaluation to learn jutsu not normally possible for the Hyuga.

Sasuke was following in Itachi's foot steos until Itachi killed off the clan, he had to learn and do most things himself. Sarada is the same, Sasuke's hardly there to train her. Geniuses need nourishment as well or they fall flat.

That's all well in good, but nothing you've said demonstrates that Part 1 Sasuke and current Sarada are geniuses. As I said, they are just a bit better than some of their classmates. Not leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.

That's a good point man. Sarada and Sasuke had no one to nurture them into full forte ninjas. And is , the novel shinden , canon?

Neji and Shikamaru didn't have anyone to nurture and coach them either. Kakashi was on his own, after his father committed seppuku. Genin Minato killed 3 Cloud ninja when they tried to kidnap Kushina from Konoha.

Oro and Hiruzen had the benefit of being schooled early on by great shinobi and their natural abilities did the rest.


When the talent is there, it's there. I think Sasuke and Sarada got genius attached to their name, because Uchiha happens to be in it. Same how Kakashi confronted Obito about him being from a clan of elites, but Obito was a screw up until he awakened the Sharingan.

 

[salamander uchiha]

That's all well in good, but nothing you've said demonstrates that Part 1 Sasuke and current Sarada are geniuses. As I said, they are just a bit better than some of their classmates. Not leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.

A bit better than some of their class mates

I guess you should start by estalishing the level of their classmates to qualify your statement. And then continue to establish a genius is leaps and bounds ahead of everybody.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Yea, I mean if Sasuke stayed he would have been a jonin/anbu off top after the time skip into shippuden. Itachi was and still a once in a lifetime, a every 50 years type of guy. Nobody else did or will do what he did at that age, its impossible.

Sauce was always a cut abovd the rest and if not for his bs obsession with revenge and power he'd have excelled way more than he did with Oro. Now, I think Sarada's genius is different. SHe's more of a Sakura with the tools to be great. Sakura was a "genius" in an academic sense, and so is Sarada. Unlike ha mama, she's got Uchiha chakra and prowess to work with ( she's obviously more versatile with the sharingan than sasuke has ever been). Not as flashy a talent though. I mean, sauce did body Oro in the forest of death

Dont discredit Sakura an sarada like that, its not that they aren't talented, its that they are too talented. Sarada and Sakura both started off a little too perfect, with chakra control and chakra control ultimately makes the ninja a ninja, the ability to perform ninjutsu (except special cases). Sakura was just ignored and nerfed, her heritage had nothing to do with her prowess it was the plot, let not forget how quickly she became a medic at the end of part 1 and how drastically she improved during the time skip. Nearly rivaling a Sanin.

Sarada is just a combination of Sakura perfect attributes ( her chakra control, high intellegent, genjutsu affinty) and Sasuke's (heritage, talent, charkra, KKG) and that almost makes her without any flaws. which is probably why she still has a 1 tomoe. Sarada in the manga would probably nearly kill Orochimaru, because she isn't just Sasuke she is Saku-Tsunade too. And she's smarter so she thinks ahead of the situation.

 

[Uverdore9]

That's all well in good, but nothing you've said demonstrates that Part 1 Sasuke and current Sarada are geniuses. As I said, they are just a bit better than some of their classmates. Not leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.



Neji and Shikamaru didn't have anyone to nurture and coach them either. Kakashi was on his own, after his father committed seppuku. Genin Minato killed 3 Cloud ninja when they tried to kidnap Kushina from Konoha.

Oro and Hiruzen had the benefit of being schooled early on by great shinobi and their natural abilities did the rest.


When the talent is there, it's there. I think Sasuke and Sarada got genius attached to their name, because Uchiha happens to be in it. Same how Kakashi confronted Obito about him being from a clan of elites, but Obito was a screw up until he awakened the Sharingan.

I agree about Neji but Shikamaru? I think his "genius" only extends to brain intelligence and not "battle intellect". And Neji did not have a father and learned the hyuga techniques on his own but Shikamaru had his mother and father ; Shikaku to teach him the shinobi arts ; and later is probably the strongest from his clan.