Ikemoto is the reason

[Avani]

^This is what i wrote. You said Berserk was not finished,

Neither is Vagabond and it irks me because I was reading these series and would like to finish them. But writer got bored or so. :| Personally I would tolerate lower quality of art as long as the plot is enjoyable. e.g. The Ruler of the Land. That manhwa art sucks for the first arc. Gradually one gets used to it and art too improves. The art in later chapers is much better. But those initial arcs are so fun to read that I wouldn't have missed it.

i said that Berserk art is superior and serves as a standard of appreciation and quality. Never in my reply i compared their art to Ikemoto and it would be ridiculous to do it but does this mean i can't be here or enjoy Naruto/Boruto? No, it doesn't.

It's neither here nor there. Someone made silly comparison counting manga pages claiming that other series are delivering more than 70 pages per month when they are not. Berserk and Vagabond have been in hiatus- writers burned out on the project. OP is running but you don't get 15-16 pages and break every few weeks so it's like 45-46 pages per month.

And people started bashing ikemoto for not delivering the ideal 76 pages per month. When I called one of such people out you post drawings from Berserk which is neither regular nor is delivering more than some 20 pages per chapter.

You see good art needs more time. Few people will give you good art, good plot and withing certain time. Very few.

Let me just add that it does mean that my standards are based in really good Mangakas and that alone gives me enough visual culture to be able to distinguish Oda's work from Ikemoto's.

Such chest thumping.. lol If you will be happy with only 20 pages per chapter like the Berserk does, for Boruto let Ikemoto know and jump know.

Ikemoto actually downgraded, his work in Naruto was pretty good, it is weird what happened.

Random art and trying to fit in someone else' shoes at the same time as trying to find one's own style will be a challenge for anyone.

It is like tasting a mediocre wine, after trying a really great one.

Find something else. There is nothing worse than forcing yourself to read something you don't enjoy anymore.

The comparison i made was with Oda. Oda is a good wine, it is my opinion, anyway.

Sure.

It wasn't about any of those.

It was about Ikemoto's refusal for making weekly releases because he is too busy and if he is too busy why does the artwork lackluster - the people added.

He certainly has a right to refuse IMO but I doubt he has Togashi's choices. What 's the source of your claim that he refused? Did you read it correctly?

Isn't it normal that in a discussion with a certain theme that is narrow at the beginning eventually tends to get wider? I think this is where the thread went. Ikemoto's work was bashed, Oda's was brought into the thread, weekly/monthly releases points were made and eventually comparisons appeared

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You need to think things through too. And that's not reason enough to attack anyone.

Don't we as loyal Naruto fans deserve the best? Is Ikemoto's art something that should be accepted without critic? I don't think so. Bashing is not ok but criticizing seems like a normal thing in the 21st centurty. Especially when the OP as like thirty threads made in the past purely bashing Boruto manga artwork.

Loyal fan? How many volumes you did you buy? If you don't like ikemoto's art, don't buy it. He will come to know when he loses money. But if you never paid any to the mangka then your words are empty. If you never rewarded the work you liked, your opinion wouldn't affect him enough to reward you.

It's an easy guess that anyone calling the art trash here has not drawn anything ever but stick figures or less.

 

[Askeladd]

Berserk and Vagabond have been in hiatus- writers burned out on the project.

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Not really in hiatus anymore and the current Berserk arc is absolutely fantastic btw.

When I called one of such people out you post drawings from Berserk which is neither regular nor has only some 20 pages per chapter

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Seriously what is Ikemoto excuse for being that bad? As stated above Ikemoto was working for years under Kishimoto as his assistant, please just give me the reason. :|

 

[Reboryushon]

Neither is Vagabond and it irks me because I was reading these series and would like to finish them. But writer got bored or so. :| Personally I would tolerate lower quality of art as long as the plot is enjoyable. e.g. The Ruler of the Land. That manhwa art sucks for the first arc. Gradually one gets used to it and art too improves. The art in later chapers is much better. But those initial arcs are so fun to read that I wouldn't have missed it.

Vagabond is really mindblowing the first time it is read. I share your pain. Probably one of my top 3 manga..

It's neither here nor there. Someone made silly comparison counting manga pages claiming that other series are delivering more than 70 pages per month when they are not. Berserk and Vagabond have been in hiatus- writers burned out on the project. OP is running but you don't get 15-16 pages and break every few weeks so it's like 45-46 pages per month.

And people started bashing ikemoto for not delivering the ideal 76 pages per month. When I called one of such people out you post drawings from Berserk which is neither regular nor has only some 20 pages per chapter.

I wasn't me. I posted One Piece after Oda's was bashed.

You see good art needs more time. Few people will give you good art, good plot and withing certain time. Very few.

Totally agree but lets not treat Boruto like it was one of those. You didn't do it but the OP did it.

Such chest thumping.. lol If you will be happy with only 20 pages per chapter like the Berserk does, for Boruto let Ikemoto know and jump know.

That is not the image i want to send ("chest thumping") but if one has good references, why not share them with those that probably don't know? This way, everyone can see where we are coming from.

Random art and trying to fit in someone else' shoes at the same time as trying to find one's own style will be a challenge for anyone.

Sure. 100% right.

Find something else. There is nothing worse than forcing yourself to read something you don't enjoy anymore.

I do read other stuff, i am just intrigued with all this Kara thing. The suspense is out there, so i want to see where this goes.

He certainly has a right to refuse IMO but I doubt he has Togashi's choices. What 's the source of your claim that he refused? Did you read it correctly?

Yup, Ikemoto is busy therefore he can't do it. He refused it, it is quite implied.

You need to think things through too. And that's not reason enough to attack anyone.

Why should my defense be seen as an attack? I will take your advice anyway.

Loyal fan? How many volumes you did you buy? If you don't like ikemoto's art, don't buy it. He will come to know when he loses money. But if you never paid any to the mangka then your words are empty. If you never rewarded the work you liked, your opinion wouldn't affect him enough to reward you.

Is this how it works in your opinion? You are basically segmenting fans by the money they spend on something. I bought the games for my brothers, i am quite sure Kishimoto received some sort of % from it. As for Boruto, no, I haven't bought anything, neither will i do it.

Does this make me a lesser being next to the ones that buy the volumes? Or not entitled to have an opinion? Sorry but i don't share your perspective on the matter.

It's an easy guess that anyone calling the art trash here has not drawn anything ever but stick figures or less.

Haha. You should know that this is not enough to make me feel whatever you want me to feel. Tell me, i can't be an art critic? Where did I say it was trash? Go back and read my replies, if you want i can share the screenshot with you.

This is basically the same as saying that if i don't play a guitar, i can't' criticize those that are bad at it, when i listened to the best before.

 

[Avani]

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Not really in hiatus anymore.



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Seriously what is Ikemoto excuse for being that bad? As stated above Ikemoto was working for years under Kishimoto as his assistant, please just give me the reason. :|

Yay all of 17 pages since break in last June! <3

Is that Kingdom art fetching it enough readers? It's retro style but that's all. We tried the topic afew times but no one replies to kingdom thread. You guys should post when new chapters come out.

Kishi drew his own characters. Ikemoto was erasing extra lines between panels or helping with inking.

 

[Askeladd]

Yay all of 17 pages since break in last June! <3

Actually the previous chapter got released at the end of december and the volume 39 just got released. Also recently Kentaro switched to digital drawing ( not completely ) for the most recent arc so I guess going digital likely solves a workflow problem for Kentaro so HOPEFULLY Berserk will stay monthly.

Is that Kingdom art fetching it enough readers? It's retro style but that's all.

You have to admit that Kingdom art is beautiful especially for a weekly chapter, IMO it deserves all the praise.

We tried the topic afew times but no one replies to kingdom thread. You guys should post when new chapters come out.

I will!

To be honest I didn't know that Kingdom got a thread on NB, good to know thanks.

Kishi drew his own characters. Ikemoto was erasing extra lines between panels or helping with inking.

Okay. I'm pretty sure Ikemoto created Zabuza's design ( could be wrong )

 

[lndra]

Hopefully, he gets some assistants or something.

I wonder if he does already tbh.