[VS] Luffy vs Doflamingo rematch

[yusuf b lawal]

luffy beats doffy in both scenarios, people have to realize luffy will keep on getting stronger

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So you think gear 3 is stronger then doffy?

No because it’s too slow. It’s attack powers is just more powerful than Dofy’s attacks.

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It literally stalemated Dogtooth’s massive power mochi so unless you think Dofy has s move that can beat this power mochi then tell me which one.

G3 is known for being powerful in physical strength only and it holds som impressive feats.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

No because it’s too slow. It’s attack powers is just more powerful than Dofy’s attacks.

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It literally stalemated Dogtooth’s massive power mochi so unless you think Dofy has s move that can beat this power mochi then tell me which one.

G3 is known for being powerful in physical strength only and it holds som impressive feats.

idk what manga that you are reading however doffy was able to out speed both gear 3rd and second and was able to block it pretty easliy. Now I am no expert at fighting but if your able to block an attack with something your putting more force to keep the attack at bay.. which means your defensive move while defensive is still stronger then the attacked used...

Case and point doffy's moves (regardless of defense and offense) are more than strong enough to stop gear 3

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I get it luffy will be stronger eventually but seriously stop down playing doffy... hes stronger/faster and more durability then what gear 3 and 2 has to offer... which is why gear 4th was introduced in the arc in the first place (if he didnt need it he couldve saved it for dog tooth but he did)

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Luffy has taken several hits that should have killed him in his fight with katakuri

 

[Sakazuki]

idk what manga that you are reading however doffy was able to out speed both gear 3rd and second and was able to block it pretty easliy. Now I am no expert at fighting but if your able to block an attack with something your putting more force to keep the attack at bay.. which means your defensive move while defensive is still stronger then the attacked used...

Case and point doffy's moves (regardless of defense and offense) are more than strong enough to stop gear 3

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I get it luffy will be stronger eventually but seriously stop down playing doffy... hes stronger/faster and more durability then what gear 3 and 2 has to offer... which is why gear 4th was introduced in the arc in the first place (if he didnt need it he couldve saved it for dog tooth but he did)

Duffy can't beat current g2 luffy

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Duffy can't beat current g2 luffy

lol ok how about you make a thread about it

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

idk what manga that you are reading however doffy was able to out speed both gear 3rd and second and was able to block it pretty easliy.

Well clearly you're not serious at all if you're making that statement. I just said that Gear 3 will not win against Dofy because of its flaws but even then you're still not satisfied with the noticeable facts.

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G2 Luffy is faster than Doffy. Luffy who was going in and out of G2 to base was tagging Doflamingo left and right and of all the attacks he sent so far Doflamingo only dodged 2 of them while the rest all connected. Doflamingo said it himself that his Base/G2 attacks are fast it's just that they had no firepower (weight to them). So I'd take Dofy's words over yours.

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As G3 it's clearly stronger than Dofy's attacks because he evaded them without taking it head on:

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G3 makes his limbs more powerful but it's slow and it leaves his main body vulnerable for on coming attacks. Even Lucci took advantage of that problem too not only Dofy:

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But when Lucci foolishly decided to tank it, he failed and started slipping in and out of consciousness:

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So this is old news and anybody who pays attention to the manga well enough knows this fact. And don't bring the spider web excuse because Luffy didn't add enough aura to his attack. Even

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but as Luffy decided to put more will power to his punch in G3 it stalemated Dogtooth's strongest attack:

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So unless you want to argue with me that Dofy's spider web>Dogtooth's massive power mochi then you'd be making yourself look bad.

Now I am no expert at fighting but if your able to block an attack with something your putting more force to keep the attack at bay.. which means your defensive move while defensive is still stronger then the attacked used...

Well unlike you I'm well adept in fighting since I practice boxing/kickingboxing and I'll tell you that Luffy put more force with G3 against Power mochi than he did with Dofy's spider web. It's like comparing a jab to a straight overhand right and saying that the arm blocking the jab means they arm is stronger than the opponents punching power. Clearly it's not.

I get it luffy will be stronger eventually but seriously stop down playing doffy... hes stronger/faster and more durability then what gear 3 and 2 has to offer...

No, you're point is that you're overrating Doflamingo, I don't done play him at all. If this was against cracker I'd even admit that G2 Luffy is faster than Cracker and that his G3 attack with enough firepower he's shown against Dogtooth is strong enough to break Cracker's defense.
Luffy is starting to gradually get stronger in this arc, he hasn't broken any barriers yet except for his Observation haki. This Luffy is still the same Luffy from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa till now. The only difference is that Big mam arc Luffy has better observation haki and stamina to carry out his G4 longer but in strength it's the same. At the end of this match against Dogtooth you'll finally see Luffy get stronger than he is when he was at Dressrosa. This is the test that's pushing him.

which is why gear 4th was introduced in the arc in the first place (if he didnt need it he couldve saved it for dog tooth but he did)

Gear 4th was already existing during timeskip when Luffy trained with Rayleigh. And even then there were animals that were stronger than G4 primal attacks:

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He needed a different method and this was all before he met his crew in Sabody island so don't act like he just made the move up right on the spot.
Dressrosa arc was just to introduce the new gear he picked up from his training while Big mam arc shows the level of people who can match it and or overpower G4.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well clearly you're not serious at all if you're making that statement. I just said that Gear 3 will not win against Dofy because of its flaws but even then you're still not satisfied with the noticeable facts.

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G2 Luffy is faster than Doffy. Luffy who was going in and out of G2 to base was tagging Doflamingo left and right and of all the attacks he sent so far Doflamingo only dodged 2 of them while the rest all connected. Doflamingo said it himself that his Base/G2 attacks are fast it's just that they had no firepower (weight to them). So I'd take Dofy's words over yours.

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As G3 it's clearly stronger than Dofy's attacks because he evaded them without taking it head on:

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G3 makes his limbs more powerful but it's slow and it leaves his main body vulnerable for on coming attacks. Even Lucci took advantage of that problem too not only Dofy:

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But when Lucci foolishly decided to tank it, he failed and started slipping in and out of consciousness:

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So this is old news and anybody who pays attention to the manga well enough knows this fact. And don't bring the spider web excuse because Luffy didn't add enough aura to his attack. Even

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but as Luffy decided to put more will power to his punch in G3 it stalemated Dogtooth's strongest attack:

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So unless you want to argue with me that Dofy's spider web>Dogtooth's massive power mochi then you'd be making yourself look bad.


Well unlike you I'm well adept in fighting since I practice boxing/kickingboxing and I'll tell you that Luffy put more force with G3 against Power mochi than he did with Dofy's spider web. It's like comparing a jab to a straight overhand right and saying that the arm blocking the jab means they arm is stronger than the opponents punching power. Clearly it's not.


No, you're point is that you're overrating Doflamingo, I don't done play him at all. If this was against cracker I'd even admit that G2 Luffy is faster than Cracker and that his G3 attack with enough firepower he's shown against Dogtooth is strong enough to break Cracker's defense.
Luffy is starting to gradually get stronger in this arc, he hasn't broken any barriers yet except for his Observation haki. This Luffy is still the same Luffy from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa till now. The only difference is that Big mam arc Luffy has better observation haki and stamina to carry out his G4 longer but in strength it's the same. At the end of this match against Dogtooth you'll finally see Luffy get stronger than he is when he was at Dressrosa. This is the test that's pushing him.

Gear 4th was already existing during timeskip when Luffy trained with Rayleigh. And even then there were animals that were stronger than G4 primal attacks:

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He needed a different method and this was all before he met his crew in Sabody island so don't act like he just made the move up right on the spot.
Dressrosa arc was just to introduce the new gear he picked up from his training while Big mam arc shows the level of people who can match it and or overpower G4.

Doflamingo's clone swatted away a Jet Pistol and Doflamingo was able to easily react to a Jet Gatling. He was also able to block and dodge Gear Fourth. G2 is in no way faster.

 

[Sakazuki]

lol ok how about you make a thread about it

Luffy will dodge every single attack luffy can throw

 

[Sakazuki]

Doflamingo's clone swatted away a Jet Pistol and Doflamingo was able to easily react to a Jet Gatling. He was also able to block and dodge Gear Fourth. G2 is in no way faster.

It is now. Base luffy is faster now

 

[Punk Hazard]

It is now. Base luffy is faster now

Evidence of this?

 

[Sakazuki]

Evidence of this?

Watch him dodge katakuri in base in the current fight. Luffy can see a little in the future now, he's dodging everything and anything sorry throws at him

 

[chopstickchakra]

Watch him dodge katakuri in base in the current fight. Luffy can see a little in the future now, he's dodging everything and anything sorry throws at him

Luffy dodging Kata in base doesn't mean Luffy can dodge Doffy in base unless we can prove Kata is as fast or faster with his attacks then Doffy is though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy dodging Kata in base doesn't mean Luffy can dodge Doffy in base unless we can prove Kata is as fast or faster with his attacks then Doffy is though.

Yup, pretty much this. Unless we can show Kata is faster, that doesn't mean anything.

 

[Sakazuki]

Yup, pretty much this. Unless we can show Kata is faster, that doesn't mean anything.

Faster than the person who has never been hit ? Okay

 

[Punk Hazard]

Faster than the person who has never been hit ? Okay

What? Kata was tagged by Gear Fourth tho.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Faster than the person who has never been hit ? Okay

??? Who are you referring to, never been hit? In order to say base Luffy dodges Doffy because base Luffy's been dodging Kata we need to be able to show that Kata's attacks(strong mochi, his thrusts, his awakening etc.) are at a faster pace than Doffy's moves(parasite, overheat, his kicks, his awakening etc.) Unless we can show that it's just an assumption. It's kind of like saying Chopper can dodge Usopp so he can dodge Franky too when we don't know how fast their attacks compare to one another.

 

[Sakazuki]

??? Who are you referring to, never been hit? In order to say base Luffy dodges Doffy because base Luffy's been dodging Kata we need to be able to show that Kata's attacks(strong mochi, his thrusts, his awakening etc.) are at a faster pace than Doffy's moves(parasite, overheat, his kicks, his awakening etc.) Unless we can show that it's just an assumption. It's kind of like saying Chopper can dodge Usopp so he can dodge Franky too when we don't know how fast their attacks compare to one another.

Someone who knows where you will be before you do is faster regardless of speed. Lol

 

[Sakazuki]

What? Kata was tagged by Gear Fourth tho.

Exactly, only hit by luffy

 

[chopstickchakra]

Someone who knows where you will be before you do is faster regardless of speed. Lol

Uh no, just because you can see/predict the future doesn't mean you'll actually be fast enough to react unless your reactions are fast enough. If I know you're gonna take 3 steps to the right but you move faster than I can, then knowing you'll be there only lets me get ready not beat you there. Luffy can predict Kata's moves and dodge them but that doesn't mean Luffy can dodge Doffy's too unless we can show Kata's attack speed =or> than Doffy.

Precog isn't some end all defense, we've seen precog beat in fiction many times, we've even seen it beat here in OP back at skypeia.