How close does Itachi come to beating Madara?

[TheMask]

What's stopping Itachi from putting him in Tsukuyomi without Madara knowing he is in one?

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

What's stopping Itachi from putting him in Tsukuyomi without Madara knowing he is in one?

plot. plot really hates genjustu and I don't believe anyone can say otherwise.

 

[TheMask]

plot. plot really hates genjustu and I don't believe anyone can say otherwise.

What? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[JStar King]

People overestimate Itachi way too much. I still remember when people were saying he can beat Hagoromo and Kaguya. Itachi is good and all, but come on :lol

 

[Uverdore9]

People overestimate Itachi way too much. I still remember when people were saying he can beat Hagoromo and Kaguya. Itachi is good and all, but come on :lol

I'm asking you this question: just why do you think itachi cannot? I've seen people hype hashirama's irrelevant genjutsu and claims it can take out nagato but itachi's known in that field yet his genjutsu would be broken out of easily? What if the spirit weapons were in nagato or kaguya's hand? Would you think it was "hyperbole"? I bet those hashirama fans(he's extremely hyped in this site) would say he can beat anyone and take "hyperbole" seriously if it was in his possession. So we need to quit the hypocrisy.

 

[Ambivalence]

Not even remotely close.

 

[JStar King]

I'm asking you this question: just why do you think itachi cannot? I've seen people hype hashirama's irrelevant genjutsu and claims it can take out nagato but itachi's known in that field yet his genjutsu would be broken out of easily? What if the spirit weapons were in nagato or kaguya's hand? Would you think it was "hyperbole"? I bet those hashirama fans(he's extremely hyped in this site) would say he can beat anyone and take "hyperbole" seriously if it was in his possession. So we need to quit the hypocrisy.

EMS/Rinnegan Madara being beat by Itachi? Tbh, I think Itachi can be some trouble, but I don't know if he could really beat Madara. While talking about Nagato, he wasn't really in control of his body (Via Kabuto). Itachi is very intelligent, yes. But Madara, and I'm not overestimating him, I believe is leagues above him. People just tend to overestimate Itachi and their favs too much (People who think he could beat characters like Goku, Kaguya, and Hagoromo).

There's no hypocrisy here. I just think people really overestimates Itachi too much.

 

[Uverdore9]

EMS/Rinnegan Madara being beat by Itachi? Tbh, I think Itachi can be some trouble, but I don't know if he could really beat Madara. While talking about Nagato, he wasn't really in control of his body (Via Kabuto). Itachi is very intelligent, yes. But Madara, and I'm not overestimating him, I believe is leagues above him. People just tend to overestimate Itachi and their favs too much (People who think he could beat characters like Goku, Kaguya, and Hagoromo).

There's no hypocrisy here. I just think people really overestimates Itachi too much.

Totsuka sword and yata shields are stated to be absolutely perfect attacks and defenses. Cant totsuka sword cut Perfect susanoo and then seal madara off? Shield can repel PS sword back at madara and cut him with it. Madara's own sword will kill him.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

What? That doesn't make any sense.

In the series, there's been dozens of times genjustu users could've handled characters who've shown no resistance to it and should not.Sasuke vs Shin, Sasuke vs Naruto after he killed Danzo, Kakashi Vs Zabuza(you can't tell me Kakashi lacks genjustu of his many justu), Obito vs Guy, Kakashi, and Naruto, etc.
I'm not saying using genjustu on anyone would put them out of commission, but for a series that constantly puts emphasis on single moments of weaknesses(Hashirama's family vs Madara's, and every single one of Naruto's tricks like reverse harem) it hardly makes use of something as powerful as genjustu despite genjustu befuddling people even when they know its a genjustu.

 

[TheMask]

In the series, there's been dozens of times genjustu users could've handled characters who've shown no resistance to it and should not.Sasuke vs Shin, Sasuke vs Naruto after he killed Danzo, Kakashi Vs Zabuza(you can't tell me Kakashi lacks genjustu of his many justu), Obito vs Guy, Kakashi, and Naruto, etc.
I'm not saying using genjustu on anyone would put them out of commission, but for a series that constantly puts emphasis on single moments of weaknesses(Hashirama's family vs Madara's, and every single one of Naruto's tricks like reverse harem) it hardly makes use of something as powerful as genjustu despite genjustu befuddling people even when they know its a genjustu.

Sasuke Vs Shin. Not possible lack of Visual powers. Well at least some of them he couldn't access something he mentions during the fight.
Sasuke Vs Naruto, Possible but unlikely since he was fighting blind. Any way that wan't full fledged clash so it's excusable.
Kakashi Vs Zabuza, He did use it. See the fight again. In the rematch for this very reason he uses Mist Jutsu.
Obito Vs Guy,Kakashi, Naruto. Unlikely again since Kakashi proves himself to be equal in sharingan use to even Obito. Naruto becomes Perfect Jinchuriki during the fight course so again not possible. Guy on other hand can fight by seeing the legs, something which he can do very easily.
While i am not sure how Senju's managed against Uchiha's Genjutsu, My guess is they used Chiyo's theory of countering Genjutsu user. Anyhow Tsukuyomi isn't normal Genjutsu. It's a one-shot like Kotoamatsukami.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Sasuke Vs Shin. Not possible lack of Visual powers. Well at least some of them he couldn't access something he mentions during the fight.
Sasuke Vs Naruto, Possible but unlikely since he was fighting blind. Any way that wan't full fledged clash so it's excusable.
Kakashi Vs Zabuza, He did use it. See the fight again. In the rematch for this very reason he uses Mist Jutsu.
Obito Vs Guy,Kakashi, Naruto. Unlikely again since Kakashi proves himself to be equal in sharingan use to even Obito. Naruto becomes Perfect Jinchuriki during the fight course so again not possible. Guy on other hand can fight by seeing the legs, something which he can do very easily.
While i am not sure how Senju's managed against Uchiha's Genjutsu, My guess is they used Chiyo's theory of countering Genjutsu user. Anyhow Tsukuyomi isn't normal Genjutsu. It's a one-shot like Kotoamatsukami.

Like for dedication. I don't believe I can say otherwise without branching this one point into multiple ones because of how it was founded.

 

[Scryed]

Itachi only wins against 3T and perhaps MS Madara.

Blind Madara had SM and Hashi DNA. I wouldn't compare 3T Madara to the Madara that was fighting SA after being revived.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Perfect susanoo is not omnipotent. But your intelligent large brain thinks it is. What to do. There is a thing called totsuka blade which has limitless cutting power and cuts perfect susanoo neck into the other realm effortlessly. Read naruto with your brilliant brain.

Lol you are new so here let me give you some advice. You can’t be posting stuff like this and expect people to debate you or even take you serious.

 

[Ninetailsfox00x1]

In general the first 2 Madara loses

But the rest madara stomps.
I know Naruto storm generations showed madara reversing time for a few seconds that be non canon.

 

[3MESSIAH]

1.Itachi stomps
2.itachi stomps
3.itachi wins
4.itachi wins
5.madara wins
6.edo itachi wons
7.rinnegan madara should win

 

[Animegoin]

The thread should be how close does madara come to beating itachi. The only reason he's being underestimated is because most of the fights hes not going all out, even in the kabuto fight you can see kabuto saying itachi was hiding many powers and techniques. Itachi is faster than madara and has tsukuyomi which is unbreakable as BZ said its the most powerful illusion putting it in the ranks of KA and IT. It controls matter, time, space according to Databook and manga. Totsuka blade can cut Susanoo up and the mirror can repel madara's attacks. I fail to see how madara is winning this. Finger genjutsu suppressed kyuubi enhanced naruto as you can see whiskers in the scan where naruto tried breaking out. Stamina is necessary for breaking genjutsu as stamina generates power which breaks the caster's control and disrupts the flow and if naruto couldnt break it who has better stamina than madara then latter obviously cant. Remember that was only 30%. 100% itachi would simply devastate the opponent and ask him to kill himself. Mirror can repel susanoo blade back at madara and he'll damage his own susanoo as happened with sasuke when he tried to attack it with kusanagi.

What makes you say that Itachi is faster than Madara? I don’t think anything you’ve said can be backed up. The simple fact of you Tskuyoumi in the same league as the divine version speaks volumes of your thought process. Anyway, Madara arguable knows just as many forbidden Sharingan Justus as Itachi does but that’s also forgetting that Madara displayed his use of Tsukyoumi when he placed kid Obito in his genjutsu. And he didn’t even have his original eyes at that time. There are just too many die hard Itachi fans that overhype him.

In summation: No version of Itachi wins against any version of Madara.

 

[Uverdore9]

What makes you say that Itachi is faster than Madara? I don’t think anything you’ve said can be backed up. The simple fact of you Tskuyoumi in the same league as the divine version speaks volumes of your thought process. Anyway, Madara arguable knows just as many forbidden Sharingan Justus as Itachi does but that’s also forgetting that Madara displayed his use of Tsukyoumi when he placed kid Obito in his genjutsu. And he didn’t even have his original eyes at that time. There are just too many die hard Itachi fans that overhype him.

In summation: No version of Itachi wins against any version of Madara.

There are too many die hard fans who hype Madara. If you read my post you would know Madara gets shit stomped in this fight. Itachi is one opponent Madara would not beat in a billion centuries, like it or not. You are free to think what you want.

 

[Animegoin]

There are too many die hard fans who hype Madara. If you read my post you would know Madara gets shit stomped in this fight. Itachi is one opponent Madara would not beat in a billion centuries, like it or not. You are free to think what you want.

No, Madara’s feats are god level. Itachi’s feats are barely that. Like I already said, genjutsu are pretty much null and void. The same way EMS Sasuke broke out of Itachi’s Tskuyoumi, Madara can too. Again, Madara used Tskuyoumi with a spare sharingan, that’s how OP he is. Madara drops a meteor on the battlefield = game over. Madara in hand to hand = victory, Madara has wide area flame jutsu that require at least 4 people to challenge (as seen when Madara battled the joint shining army). Itachi had to resort to using genjutsu when he was surrounded by 4 shinobi in generation 1. Madara has wood release = ko. Madara is equally as intelligent as Itachi, if not smarter. The only way Madara can lose is if he’s extremely reckless at the beginning like he was when he fought the Tailed Beasts.

I mean but why should I take you serious? You asked that one guy why doesn’t he believe that Itachi can beat Hagoromo or Kaguya.

 

[Uverdore9]

No, Madara’s feats are god level. Itachi’s feats are barely that. Like I already said, genjutsu are pretty much null and void. The same way EMS Sasuke broke out of Itachi’s Tskuyoumi, Madara can too. Again, Madara used Tskuyoumi with a spare sharingan, that’s how OP he is. Madara drops a meteor on the battlefield = game over. Madara in hand to hand = victory, Madara has wide area flame jutsu that require at least 4 people to challenge (as seen when Madara battled the joint shining army). Itachi had to resort to using genjutsu when he was surrounded by 4 shinobi in generation 1. Madara has wood release = ko. Madara is equally as intelligent as Itachi, if not smarter. The only way Madara can lose is if he’s extremely reckless at the beginning like he was when he fought the Tailed Beasts.

I mean but why should I take you serious? You asked that one guy why doesn’t he believe that Itachi can beat Hagoromo or Kaguya.

Madara did not use Tsukuyomi on the same level as Itachi , he used a variant with low power . Itachi's Tsukuyomi can manipulate Time, Space and Substance . Itachi teleports a clone of Madara to Tsukuyomi Realm and kills him by disintegrating his molecules and using torture worth a billion years in a micro second. You are not even aware how OP this character is. Itachi's Finger Genjutsu cannot be broken , read my earlier comment to know why. Itachi is faster than Madara by a mile. Itachi has the illusions which can control 80 , 000 shinobi of the Alliance Team which was stated by Shikaku and Ao. Totsuka Sword is capable of slicing and piercing any thing as it is absolute perfect offense and Yata Shield can reflect any attacks back to the owner. Perfect Susano'o's Sword is reflected back to it and gets crushed. Itachi's illusions do not even need eye contact as he proved he can control the alliance from a long , long distance. He was cannonically called absolutely invincible so Madara do not stand a chance.

 

[Animegoin]

Madara did not use Tsukuyomi on the same level as Itachi , he used a variant with low power . Itachi's Tsukuyomi can manipulate Time, Space and Substance . Itachi teleports a clone of Madara to Tsukuyomi Realm and kills him by disintegrating his molecules and using torture worth a billion years in a micro second. You are not even aware how OP this character is. Itachi's Finger Genjutsu cannot be broken , read my earlier comment to know why. Itachi is faster than Madara by a mile. Itachi has the illusions which can control 80 , 000 shinobi of the Alliance Team which was stated by Shikaku and Ao. Totsuka Sword is capable of slicing and piercing any thing as it is absolute perfect offense and Yata Shield can reflect any attacks back to the owner. Perfect Susano'o's Sword is reflected back to it and gets crushed. Itachi's illusions do not even need eye contact as he proved he can control the alliance from a long , long distance. He was cannonically called absolutely invincible so Madara do not stand a chance.

Yeah, Madara used Tsukyoumi with a spare sharingan that he’d taken from another Uchiha member (which I mentioned already). He’d already given his real eyes to Nagato. But it was still tskuyoumi nonetheless and we don’t know if it was weaker than Itachi’s because Madara didn’t use it with harmful intent, he was only using it to talk to a kid Obito. Like I said, genjutsu are null and void against Madara, especially since Madara can sense that he’s up against an Uchiha (as he did without even having eyes as he detected key attributes of Sasuke’s EMS). Also, Tskuyoumi doesn’t distort time, space, etc.; it’s a genjutsu. It distorts your senses to feel that way. Itachi’s finger genjutsu was broken by Sakura channeling her chakra into Naruto. Madara (whom has fiercely more chakra, battle experience, Sharingan genjutsu experience and intelligence than Itachi) would definitely be able to break that genjutsu (if he even falls pray to it - because as I said, Madara would be able to sense that Itachi’s an uchiha without even seeing him). Sorry, there’s too much to go back and read but I’m pretty sure Itachi isn’t faster than Madara. The spirit weapons yielded by Itachi are debatable because they’ve never been seen against people with enormous chakra reserves nor have they been seen against god-like entities. Someone earlier said the same thing and you told them that the “databook said it so it’s law,” but that same person also said that the databook referenced as “Temiri can blow away the universe.” So the data book isn’t reliable, and as it stands Itachi still can’t win. Not to mention that you didn’t discuss what happens if Madara drops a meteor on the battlefield or uses wood release. You also try to downplay Madara’s intelligence and experience. Smh