A play on words... Jougan and the Byakugan - MOON AND SUN

[Reviewing Logic]

First some notes...

"Hyūga" (日向) means "Place in the sun," or "Sunny Place"

The name "Hinata" means "place in the sun". It can be written with the same kanji as her family name "Hyūga" (日向).

So Hinata Hyuga basically is "Place in the sun, Place in the Sun"

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In the LAST, the byakugan's were seen to absorb sunrays giving off more power, to the point of them blowing up not only the moon but also causing damage to the Earth, a last ditch attempt by Toneri.

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(They also carried the thoughts of their former users but that is another story entirely).

Also in the LAST they continued to portray Toneri, the Tenseigan and the Byakugan with the MOON.

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Pure eyes, Hanabi and Hinata, destruction of all ninja via crashing the moon into the earth, the tenseigan and other things but also Toneri had a plot of marrying Hinata, or rather marrying a Hyuga to have a certain type of offspring.

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What did he think a child with Hinata would be? What powers did he think they would have and how did he think they would be different from the humans that plagued the earth by tarnishing Hagoromo's given chakra into ninjitsu?


Of course some of his inherited will was false as he later found Hamura's true will near the end of the movie but a broken/misinterpreted will still had some truth in it.


Here we see SP and Kishi having again another Moon Parallel but is this panel forshadowing the Tenseigan or is it something else entirely?

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Note that Toneri hasn't interacted with the planet for more then 15 years, only breaking his silence with Boruto and also even knowing Boruto's dojutsu's name.



Now we connect some stuff.


Hamura and Hagoromo eventually went on two separate missions after sealing their Mother. While Hagoromo dealt with guiding Humanity and eventually trying to deal with his offsprings quarrel of the future of humanity, Hamura went to guard the Gedo Mazou but also had a will of his own and made two clans. One on Earth the Hyuga, and one on the Moon the Hamura Otsutsuki.


While the moon Clan was overseers of Earth for some time and also the guards of the Gedo Mazou both scenarios collapsed as Madara stole the Gedo and the branch and main family on the moon annihilated each other with a civil war.



But again Hamura anticipated this and left his true will with a main branch corpse until Hinata arrived.


We all know Hinata inherited his will and also Hamura's chakra but what was the point of it beyond just the bout we saw in the LAST?


Well I believe it was to trigger something. Hamura anticipated the Jougan and likely after unlocking the Tenseigan, he was interested on what this power was, as he never saw it before. (He already knew of the Rinnegan, etc... via his Mother and Brother.).


Again note the fact that part of Toneri's plan was to marry Hinata. Saying it was a DESTINED marriage of fate that HAD to happen.


Also note that Toneri currently has some fate predicting ability, to read into the future like Momo.

Do you think Hamura could do the same? Well his little hints he put fourth in the LAST makes me believe so.


Even though Ashura and Indra fought for generations with no end in sight, Hamura didn't pass down a will of destruction to end the world of its suffering. Instead he believed in the people of Earth and his brothers offspring.

Note that Ashura is the Sun while Indra is the Moon. Or that Naruto is the SUN and Sasuke is the MOON.

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The rinnegan was gained by a Indra incarnate via the fusion of Ashura incarnate DNA. - MADARA & HASHIRAMA.

And the byakugan can absorb sunlight to gain its power, as seen in the LAST. The Hyuga byakugan is different from the Otustsuki MOON clan byakugan as Toneri needed a Hyuga byakugan and not his own clan's byakugans to get the Tenseigan.

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Again via the information from the will/scrolls he knew how to attain it.


So how does this all connect? Well if the byakugan acts like a MOON that absorbs or uses/reflects sunlight for its power. And the Hyuga (Sunny Place) eyes are needed for the tenseigan, at least for the Moon Hamura clan. Then what would happen if a SUN incarnate married a MOON inheritor and gave birth to a child?


Hamura had the moon seal when facing Kaguya, Hagoromo had the SUN. Hamura got the Tenseigan, Hagoromo got the Rinnegan. Although Naruto didn't inherit the eyes of Hagoromo he inherited the body and chakra. Hinata inherited Hamura chakra.


Not to pass down to their children but to trigger an evolution within it.

Toneri knows this and his guiding his way for Boruto to do something about it.

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Funnily enough we never heard Hamura's REAL will as Hinata never stated it even though she talked with Hamura himself, she kept it secret from the viewers.

When Boruto said he had the byakugan for some odd reason Hinata had some overly shocked expression.

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WHY?


Again the JOUGAN is a byakugan based eye, like the Rinnegan and Sharringan are from the same tree.


But Kaguya didn't have it. Hamura was on his death bad and old when he got his Tenseigan, and the Jougan is somehow the DESTINED eye that will change everything not just on Earth.

So what happens when a SUNNY PLACE, finally gets a ton of SUN? What happens when a byakugan bloodline is merged with a SUN incarnate to trigger some return of something that was dormant for so long?


Regardless it seems Naruto not his Kuruma chakra but his SUN status lead to the byakugan attaining its TRUE from, from a reincarnation to a TRUE PURE EYE.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

Funny how momo and Toneri can read into the future but didn't see themselves getting whooped in the possible future. Toneri and Momo speaking in riddles and in my opinion all they're doing is foreshadowing the possible outcome of the future. They obviously have some sort of insiders knowledge regarding borutos dojutsu but they cannot read the future that's basically impossible.


Their must be something going on with their clan that people on earth is unaware of and the jougan most likely has a big play in all that is to come. There is someone that probably possesses the jougan in their clan that is very powerful as well for them to come to such conclusions.

Hamura trying to obtain more power at his deathbed seems far fetched in this theory of yours as well. The chakra fruits was most likely the pinnacle of power to the ottsukinclan since they all sought out the power for more chakra.

Genetics seem more important for the jougan to come about. Hinata being a descendant of hamura and naruto being a descendent of hagoromo and possessing the sages power probably triggered something in Boruto genetic wise.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Funny how momo and Toneri can read into the future but didn't see themselves getting whooped in the possible future. Toneri and Momo speaking in riddles and in my opinion all they're doing is foreshadowing the possible outcome of the future. They obviously have some sort of insiders knowledge regarding borutos dojutsu but they cannot read the future that's basically impossible.


Their must be something going on with their clan that people on earth is unaware of and the jougan most likely has a big play in all that is to come. There is someone that probably possesses the jougan in their clan that is very powerful as well for them to come to such conclusions.

Hamura trying to obtain more power at his deathbed seems far fetched in this theory of yours as well. The chakra fruits was most likely the pinnacle of power to the ottsukinclan since they all sought out the power for more chakra.

Genetics seem more important for the jougan to come about. Hinata being a descendant of hamura and naruto being a descendent of hagoromo and possessing the sages power probably triggered something in Boruto genetic wise.

I don't mean Hamura wanted to attain power I just meant that like Toneri and Momo he likely anticipated this future


Also I agree with your theory of the Jougan being an issue with the Otsutsuki clan itself and that maybe even someone else has or had the eye.


What I am just saying is that they keep on connecting the Hyuga, the byakugan, etc... with stuff that are basking in sunlight.


Also Toneri wanted some offspring and that it was destiny to do so via is incorrect will that he later adopted with the correct one.

So I am guessing that Hamura hinted at Boruto in his will and that the Jougan only came back into the equation needed the correct Moon and Sun puzzle pieces for it to be awoken again.

Lastly by future sight I don't mean vivid future seeing but rather soothsaying like those frogs in Naruto that predicted his destiny.

 

[123fire]

Jougan is not based on bayakugan . The director himself said that it's a fusion of Naruto's chakra and Hinata's chakra

 

[Rohan]

I really like the similarities here.

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[salamander uchiha]

You lost me at pure eyes Hanabi and Hinata.

Anyway a child of Hinata and Toneri would've likely had a Byakugan and the possibility(slim because of Hinata)of Tenseigan.

Toneri doesn't have future predicting abilities so that's why I think he's pulling shit out of his ass. I hope that clears up any confusion. And how the f is he alive(who cooks for him) he can't see yet he knows of Boruto. Too much BS for my liking.

It's overhype at the moment, my advice don't jump on the train youll be dissappointed. The only thing I see boosting the Jogan is Momo's seal pulled out of his ass.

 

[Askeladd]

Jougan is not based on bayakugan . The director himself said that it's a fusion of Naruto's chakra and Hinata's chakra

What ?

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"The ability for example should be something like using Hinata's dojutsu and visualizes Naruto's ability to sense evil intent, and is related to Ootsusuki clan's different space dimension(?), best yall don't think too much of it, the writer probably didn't think of it through. But in the future it will be explained with more detail."

 

[Dremolite]

The story line is not as hype as sharingan and MS storyline but we can see how it goes.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

You lost me at pure eyes Hanabi and Hinata.

Anyway a child of Hinata and Toneri would've likely had a Byakugan and the possibility(slim because of Hinata)of Tenseigan.

Toneri doesn't have future predicting abilities so that's why I think he's pulling shit out of his ass. I hope that clears up any confusion. And how the f is he alive(who cooks for him) he can't see yet he knows of Boruto. Too much BS for my liking.

It's overhype at the moment, my advice don't jump on the train youll be dissappointed. The only thing I see boosting the Jogan is Momo's seal pulled out of his ass.

They do have pure eyes, though. They are from the main branch, which are strict with their bloodline stuff and they seal other byakugan, so yes... They do have pure eyes.

He had no eyes in the movie and yet he plotted to destroy the earth with the moon and even knew how to differentiate individuals, like Hinata's dad, Hanabi and Hinata, etc. So there must be a way that he can actually understand what's going on around him, no?

Also, how do you know he doesn't have such an ability? "I hope that clears up any confusion", - like what? are you serious, Mr. All knowing...

Is it just because he couldn't see his defeat against Naruto?

There's more than one way to predict the future, you know and it doesn't have to be an ability that let's you see every possible outcome. It can even be glimpses of the future, like how the frogs sees prophecies.

But, it doesn't have to be such an ability that allows him to know the possible future. Hamura could've predicted it and left some records of it, which allowed Toneri to prepare for it. It could also be the reason why he wanted to destroy the earth in the first place, to not allow the Ootsutsuki's to obtain what they desire, but instead he placed his faith in the hands of the shinobi.

Kaguya knew of the possible invasion from her clan, which means Hamura could've found out about it too. Toneri seemed to know about the Ootsutsuki's and could've been tracking their movement. He also seem to be observing the earth, which means he could've seen Boruto awaken the eye and that could've fulfilled some prophecy that's to come.

Your imagination is too limited, that's why you're saying "Asspulls". There's so many unexplained stuff that could be revealed later. If we already knew all the abilities of the Byakugan and the Ootsutsuki's, then "Asspull" would've been correct, but for now, let's wait and see. The Byakugan, like any eye, becomes more powerful with a stronger user.

 

[lndra]

Great thread OP, even better comments too.