Can the Gentle Fist obliterate a Susanoo?

[123fire]

Where did I say she is?

That feat isn't a hyuga feat just sayin

 

[Made in Heaven]

Which is unneeded to destroy a Perfect Susanoo when you have ALL the destructive power.

You say it's uneeded yet both times she destroyed Sasuke's PS she had Byakugan on, so I will go with the manga rather than your BS.

NOPE. Madara's Susanoo was already God level even without redundant chakra reserves and it matched Hashirama's destructive power to a certain extent, despite the obvious disadvantage. With as much chakra as he had, that gap would be filled easily, especially since his Susanoo was comparable to a being with the biggest natural reserves in the series even though his was almost average in comparison.

Kaguya > Hagromo >= Madara as stated by the manga. Until you can show me a PS that can withstand Vacuum Attack, I want you to keep your delusions secluded to yourself.

Then be fair and not bring in Kaguya who has the most powerful Uchiha and Hyuuga techniques alike.

Even with Sharingan/Byakugan techs, her Byakugan technique is called the one with potential to be the most powerful. Like I said before, don't blame me the Ootsutsuki are more powerful than the Uchiha, just as the latter is stronger than the Hyuga.

Still weak at the hands of a normal Hyuuga versus a normal Uchiha. V1 Susanoo the weakest form of Susanoo is enough to block it.

Where did I ever say a Hyuga can do the same?

Momoshiki doped on Shinju power induced pills and Kinshiki already had redundant chakra reserves. Automatically their avatars would be stronger since you're combining the powers of TWO GODS who've consumed chakra fruits along their expeditions and this has no correlation with the topic at hand by the way.

That's not the point. The point is that Sasuke was losing to those two despite Kaguya being far superior to those two.

In that case, Sasuke would have normal chakra reserves right, but it was never said MS poses required high levels of chakra, and Itachi with average chakra reserves at best could still access what, V4, and all Sasuke or any Uchiha would need against such a weak technique as Air Palm is V1, which any normal Uchiha with MS can access. Chakra is the least of the problems in MS prowess.

Hiashi has average reserves, lower than average Uchiha, yet manages to send Bijuu sized object flying with Wall Palm and you think that wouldn't defeat a Susnoo'O of equal level even when Danzo's FAR WEAKER wind style technique broke Sasuke's V4 Susano'O? Now give Danzo Hiashi's Wall Palm offensive power and Byakugan to aim at weak spots and see what happens to Susano'O

I don't get the comparison with Saiyans at all since this is a Naruto manga.

Not surprised.

Goku (Ootsutsuki) is a full-blood sayain (Byakugan Alien) and thus posses the true and pure power of his alien race. Gohan or Trunks (Neji or Hinata) are diluted from the alien race and thus are weaker when it comes to utilizing their true power. The Hyuga even more so since they are 1000 years down the line while the former duo are only one generation apart.

The Byakugan at its prime is Hiashi.

*Kaguya

The Sharingan at its prime is Itachi

*Indra

and Itachi whoops Hiashi's ass meg diff.

No but that is irrelevant.

Naturally born Uchiha with no Kaguya level power > naturally born Hyuuga with no Kaguya level power.

Where TF did I ever argue for this not to be the case? Yes, Uchiha > Hyuga, you want me to say it? lol Stop being insecure. Ootsutsuki > Uchiha > Hyuga.

As Indra pointed out. 0 * 1000 is still 0. Applying the same rule of your Hyuuga companion, it's practically 10 * 1000 vs. 1000 * 1000.

Nope because Uchiha have more chakra than Hyugas, just like how you are whining about Ootsutsukis having more Chakra than Uchihas.

That is either way, Itachi would end up stronger than your strongest Hyuuga if both are bestowed Kaguya level chakra. That is fairness by the way

Byakugan user with Kaguya level Chakra would have Vacuum Palm which destroy PS. Don't know or care whether Hyuga can achieve that, as OP is talking about Gentle Fist, which Ootsutsukis can do (Hamura and Kaguya).

Sharingan user with Kaguya level Chakra would explode and die due to being unable to handle that amount (what Black Zetsu did to Madara)

That feat isn't a hyuga feat just sayin

I know.

 

[Dremolite]

You say it's uneeded yet both times she destroyed Sasuke's PS she had Byakugan on, so I will go with the manga rather than your BS.



Kaguya > Hagromo >= Madara as stated by the manga. Until you can show me a PS that can withstand Vacuum Attack, I want you to keep your delusions secluded to yourself.


Even with Sharingan/Byakugan techs, her Byakugan technique is called the one with potential to be the most powerful. Like I said before, don't blame me the Ootsutsuki are more powerful than the Uchiha, just as the latter is stronger than the Hyuga.



Where did I ever say a Hyuga can do the same?


That's not the point. The point is that Sasuke was losing to those two despite Kaguya being far superior to those two.



Hiashi has average reserves, lower than average Uchiha, yet manages to send Bijuu sized object flying with Wall Palm and you think that wouldn't defeat a Susnoo'O of equal level even when Danzo's FAR WEAKER wind style technique borke Sasuke's V4 Susano'O? Now give Danzo Hiashi's Wall Palm offensive power and see what happens to Susano'O



Not surprised.

Goku (Ootsutsuki) is a full-blood sayain (Byakugan Alien) and thus posses the true and pure power of his alien race. Gohan or Trunks (Neji or Hinata) are diluted from the alien race and thus are weaker when it comes to utilizing their true power. The Hyuga even more so since they are 1000 years down the line while the former duo are only one generation apart.



*Kaguya



*Indra



No but that is irrelevant.



Where TF did I ever argue for this not to be the case? Yes, Uchiha > Hyuga, you want me to say it? lol Stop being insecure. Ootsutsuki > Uchiha > Hyuga.



Nope because Uchiha have more chakra than Hyugas, just like how you are whining about Ootsutsukis having more Chakra than Uchihas.



Byakugan user with Kaguya level Chakra would have Vacuum Palm which destroy PS. Don't know or care whether Hyuga can achieve that, as OP is talking about Gentle Fist, which Ootsutsukis can do (Hamura and Kaguya).

Sharingan user with Kaguya level Chakra would explode and die due to being unable to handle that amount (what Black Zetsu did to Madara)

I know.

Emoticons dont improve the quality of your argument. It will give off a very bad vibe to the readers especially if youre arguing serious topics. I agree with you but. Gentle fist in theory can beat Susanoo but in practical I doubt it. The chakra strength of uchihas are too thick and great for the feats of hyuga to match. And I see your still holding onto your viewpoint that gentle fist KKM is invalid and all gentle fist of Hyuga can be upgraded to kaguyas level by training........ thats not how it works As i have told you in the thread. Youre dodging points which are very harsh and hard to answer cleverly and mocking debaters. This is not how you present logic and facts in an open manner.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Which is unneeded to destroy a Perfect Susanoo when you have ALL the destructive power.

More facts the only reason she activated her Byakugan was to grant her multi directional sight. She used 80 vacuum palms against Naruto and his shadow clones without Byakugan. The only time she used her Byakugan was when he went around her. The same happened in Sasuke's case who was attacking from a different direction. Outside of that the only time the Byakugan was used for an actual GF jutsu was when Kaguya used it to block Sasuke's chakra points.

LB will come up with 101excuses, fallacious simultudes and a large amount of fanfic.

 

[Rock Slayer]

Depends on which standard we're treading here. If it's Kaguya who's billion times stronger and has a million times more chakra than the normal naturally born Hyuuga, then I can concede it can, but if we're using the standard of Hiashi and any Hyuuga below that level of strong, then no, not even V3 Susanoo. GF is just too weak when wielded by a normal Hyuuga to even penetrate Ribcage Susanoo in all austerity.

True. I think it has to with the user. Kaguya was basically godlike so of course she could use the gentle fist to destroy Sasuke's Susanoo. I wouldn't be surprised if Hamura was capable of such.

 

[uhmusddy]

Yes, the gentle fist can harm if not destroy Susanoo.

I don’t know why these hooligans are getting into specifics and theoretics.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Gentle fist in theory can beat Susanoo but in practical I doubt it.

Why not ? Kaguya already pulled it off and Hiashi's Wall Palm could very likely do so against lower versions as well.

The chakra strength of uchihas are too thick and great for the feats of hyuga to match.

I know. But I am not talking about the Hyugas only, but the Ootsutsuki as well.

And I see your still holding onto your viewpoint that gentle fist KKM is invalid and all gentle fist of Hyuga can be upgraded to kaguyas level by training........ thats not how it works As i have told you in the thread.

Never said this.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

like Susanoo the GF is awakened once the user awakens their byakugan

Hence why Hima went above and beyond in doing a tenketsu seal seconds after unlocking her eyes, when her brother still can't do the any real GF even though he trained under the style from his Mother.

This is fanfic, has not once been stated or implied anywhere in the series. nice trolling

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

It already happened.

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[Umari Senju]

This again? :kk:

This is beyond old already. Why are you guys (Hyuga fans) so obsessed with whether Gentle Fist can break Susanoo or not? There are other ways around it besides brute force (depending on the version and who is using it)

Same applies to a Byakugan user. To date only Kaguya has arguably succeeded and she is an Otsutsuki. There hasn’t been a Hyuga who has displayed this as of yet. It could happen down the road though so let’s just leave it at that

 

[Mori Jin]

This again? :kk:

This is beyond old already. Why are you guys (Hyuga fans) so obsessed with whether Gentle Fist can break Susanoo or not? There are other ways around it besides brute force (depending on the version and who is using it)

Same applies to a Byakugan user. To date only Kaguya has arguably succeeded and she is an Otsutsuki. There hasn’t been a Hyuga who has displayed this as of yet. It could happen down the road though so let’s just leave it at that

Wasn't a Hyūga fan that made this, nor is it about the Hyūga clan but the gentle fist taijutsu style. According to the manga it can destroy the perfect susano'o let alone the inferior ones.

 

[Styles]

the title says GF so the style not the user

this isn't HYUGA fist and Kaguya was the first GF user on Earth

That's why i said the ending bit. :sdo:

 

[Umari Senju]

Wasn't a Hyūga fan that made this, nor is it about the Hyūga clan but the gentle fist taijutsu style. According to the manga it can destroy the perfect susano'o let alone the inferior ones.

I wasn’t addressing this to the OP but Hyuga fans.

@Bold: In theory. This isnt fact just because Neji said something way back in Part I that wasn’t even a reference to Susanoo which hadn’t even been introduced yet. How would he know? Did his Byakugan show him glimpses of GF destroying a Susanoo that no one but him has seen until Itachi unveiled it?

As I stated above, once this actually happens at the hands of a Hyuga or even Boruto and not a god we can claim it does.

Ao has the Byakugan but doesn’t use GF. Boruto was taught by his mom, a Hyuga and he has the Jougan a Byakugan based doujutsu. Gentle Fist was created by the Hyuga.

They are one in the same to be honest. Only Hyuga and their blood lineage use GF so by referencing GF, by default, we are talking about the Hyuga.

And before anyone gets into that bit about Kaguya being the first GF user, can you show me where it is stated that Kaguya created or was the first GF user? Not the DB that says the Hyuga based GF off of her one technique. But an actual reference to her using or creating such attacks like rotatation and the like.

She was the 1st person on earth to possess The Byakugan and that’s about as far as it goes so far as we’ve read.

If anyone created GF it was most likely Hamura or his descendants down the road. Not Kaguya.

 

[Made in Heaven]

This is fanfic, has not once been stated or implied anywhere in the series. nice trolling

Himawari awakened Gentle Fist when awakening Byakugan.

Ao has the Byakugan but doesn’t use GF.

Has Ao had any combat feats?

Boruto was taught by his mom,a Hyuga.

That's the style of taijutsu, not the Chakra/Byakugan based techniques.

Gentle Fist was created by the Hyuga.They are one in the same to be honest. Only Hyuga and their blood lineage use GF so by referencing GF, by default, we are talking about the Hyuga.

Kaguya and Hamura used it.

 

[Vulpini]

It can't.

Only delusional faps think it can, but you can't take them seriously, as you probably know at this point.

 

[Mori Jin]

I wasn’t addressing this to the OP but Hyuga fans.

@Bold: In theory. This isnt fact just because Neji said something way back in Part I that wasn’t even a reference to Susanoo which hadn’t even been introduced yet. How would he know? Did his Byakugan show him glimpses of GF destroying a Susanoo that no one but him has seen until Itachi unveiled it?

As I stated above, once this actually happens at the hands of a Hyuga or even Boruto and not a god we can claim it does.

Ao has the Byakugan but doesn’t use GF. Boruto was taught by his mom, a Hyuga and he has the Jougan a Byakugan based doujutsu. Gentle Fist was created by the Hyuga.

They are one in the same to be honest. Only Hyuga and their blood lineage use GF so by referencing GF, by default, we are talking about the Hyuga.

And before anyone gets into that bit about Kaguya being the first GF user, can you show me where it is stated that Kaguya created or was the first GF user? Not the DB that says the Hyuga based GF off of her one technique. But an actual reference to her using or creating such attacks like rotatation and the like.

She was the 1st person on earth to possess The Byakugan and that’s about as far as it goes so far as we’ve read.

If anyone created GF it was most likely Hamura or his descendants down the road. Not Kaguya.

Yet it says the Hyūga inherited it from Kaguya, and we see her using it against Sasuke perfect susano'o. She also destroys it. Which confirms what I said, Gentle Fist techniques can obliterate a susano'o.

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[Dremolite]

Why not ? Kaguya already pulled it off and Hiashi's Wall Palm could very likely do so against lower versions as well.


I know. But I am not talking about the Hyugas only, but the Ootsutsuki as well.



Never said this.

Kaguya didnt use gentle fist. She used vacuum 80 gods attack which is a KKM and hyugas duplicated it just like criminals duplicate gold with yellow paint.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kaguya didnt use gentle fist. She used vacuum 80 gods attack which is a KKM and hyugas duplicated it just like criminals duplicate gold with yellow paint.

It's not called a GF technique or a Byakugan jutsu either.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

In theory and in sense, it can. It does. The frustrating part is that Kishi never gavve the spotlight and feat to the Hyuuga. The world never had the Hyuuga greatness it deserved.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Kaguya didnt use gentle fist. She used vacuum 80 gods attack which is a KKM and hyugas duplicated it just like criminals duplicate gold with yellow paint.

Yes she did the databook says "Both the ability to see every single tenketsu in the body and the Gentle Fist were inherited from Kaguya"