Can the Gentle Fist obliterate a Susanoo?

[Dremolite]

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I wonder which images has her using precision strikes and which one (ahem your image) she is not.

You can use GF without having your byakugan on it is just less accurate.

Gentle fist requires inducing chakra into opponent. The real reason hinata is not using byakugan is because of nine tails chakra. Are you saying neji activated his byakugan in chuunin exams uselessly?

 

[SixPathsMike101]

That's not a GF technique please read the manga he'll it's not even a Byakugan technique.

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No active Byakugan when it's used.

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The following page no active Byakugan until Naruto starts surrounding her. So it's confirmed that it's not a Byakugan jutsu anyway. No active Byakugan with it's use but their is an active rinnesharingan. At least we know what the perfect dojutsu is:bdpf:

The wind god vacuum fist is not a gentle fist move

 

[SixPathsMike101]

No, It can't.

 

[Dremolite]

Databook says otherwise.



The Vacuum Palm is toned down in comparison to Vacuum Attack due to lower chakra levels, no Rikudo Chakra, and the lack of shape manipulation in use.


Oh, okay, That's why you showed scans of Kaguya without Byakugan to argue Vacuum Attack isn't a Byakugan technique

:lol


Wrong. The databook says "when used in conjunction with her perfect dojutsu". In conjunction = As a combination. Like saying Naruto can use Rasengan in conjunction with Wind Style to form Rasenshuriken for more power or how Hinata can use Vacuum Palm in conjunction with Byakugan for more accuracy.

Meaning it can in fact be used without Byakugan even though it is still a Byakugan technique just like what Hinata did with Vacuum Palm.



So you're saying a technique that functions like a Byakugan technique and is compared directly to a Byakugan technique by Kishimoto is a RenniSharingan technique?

Good joke.

Your whole theory is built on bias. How can you imply gentle fist is byakugan jutsu because it was only used by hyuga? It is taijutsu. Mere taijutsu. Byakugan only can see the points accurately that is why only people with byakugan can use it. Byakugan is KKG and gentle fist is taijutsu not KKG jutsu like sharingan genjutsu or lava style or stone style or acid style. You are not only confusing people but you are confusing yourself.





Kaguyas jutsu is KKM and byakugan is also KKM

= KKM.
Hyuga byakugan = KKG + Gentle Fist(taijutsu) = KKG +taijutsu.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Your whole theory is built on bias. How can you imply gentle fist is byakugan jutsu because it was only used by hyuga? It is taijutsu. Mere taijutsu. Byakugan only can see the points accurately that is why only people with byakugan can use it. Byakugan is KKG and gentle fist is taijutsu not KKG jutsu like sharingan genjutsu or lava style or stone style or acid style. You are not only confusing people but you are confusing yourself.





Kaguyas jutsu is KKM and byakugan is also KKM

= KKM.
Hyuga byakugan = KKG + Gentle Fist(taijutsu) = KKG +taijutsu.

Gentle Fist techniques are classified as KKG, so no, they are not "mere" taijutsu. Even Himawari used Gentle Fist after unlocking Byakugan.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Depends on which standard we're treading here. If it's Kaguya who's billion times stronger and has a million times more chakra than the normal naturally born Hyuuga, then I can concede it can, but if we're using the standard of Hiashi and any Hyuuga below that level of strong, then no, not even V3 Susanoo. GF is just too weak when wielded by a normal Hyuuga to even penetrate Ribcage Susanoo in all austerity.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Databook says otherwise.

The Vacuum Palm is toned down in comparison to Vacuum Attack due to lower chakra levels, no Rikudo Chakra, and the lack of shape manipulation in use.


Oh, okay, That's why you showed scans of Kaguya without Byakugan to argue Vacuum Attack isn't a Byakugan technique

:lol

The Hyuga can use shape manipulation so that point is out of the window. Rokudo chakra would only amp it's power not much else. The fact that the Hyuga don't use the jutsu and had to develop another jutsu based off of it neutralised it being a GF tech. Otherwise they'd be using the same jutsu but weaker. The proper comparison would be from palm bottom to air palm same technique but varying strength.

Wrong. The databook says "when used in conjunction with her perfect dojutsu". In conjunction = As a combination. Like saying Naruto can use Rasengan in conjunction with Wind Style to form Rasenshuriken for more power or how Hinata can use Vacuum Palm in conjunction with Byakugan for more accuracy.

Meaning it can in fact be used without Byakugan even though it is still a Byakugan technique just like what Hinata did with Vacuum Palm.

Yes and Kaguya uses it in conjunction with the rinne sharingan (her perfect dojutsu) so that's all good.

Are you saying the rasengan which is based off of tbb is a tailed beast jutsu. I hope you understand how stupid your flawed comparison is. You always used flawed logic to push forward your fanfics only a Iike for like comparison can be given not the bs about rasenshuriken which isn't even relevant.

So you're saying a technique that functions like a Byakugan technique and is compared directly to a Byakugan technique by Kishimoto is a RenniSharingan technique?

Good joke.

Rasengan is compared to TSB becaise it's based off of it, notbbwcause the 2 jutsu are the same. Keep trying or present a scan or databook entry confirming it to be a GF jutsu

How good they basic off of 80 vacuum Palms when they want even alive during this time. When she was alive

Take it up with the databook.

 

[Mori Jin]

Kaguya already did it against Sasuke perfect susano'o. Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack. :Sparks:.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The wind god vacuum fist is not a gentle fist move

Correct it's a kekkei Mora jutsu.

 

[Askeladd]

Hiashi can Break Susano'o with Air Wall Palm.

Kaguya already did it against Sasuke perfect susano'o. Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack. :Sparks:.

This.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Quite an inevitable fact though that Byakugan doesn't really have an input in the attacks and only functions primarily as an auxiliary factor and not even mandatory in the use of those techniques, and as any with logic can decipher, Air Palm with or without Byakugan has the same power output.

Okay.

Thus that cements the fact Byakugan doesn't really boost it, as Kaguya would still triumphantly obliterate a Perfect Susanoo VERY EASILY even without the set of eyes, because of her overwhelming power

Byakugan boosts her aim/precision, so yes it does make it stronger as she can aim for weak spots. As we saw with Bolt, finding vulnerable areas makes a massive difference as his Kunais couldn't damage the Nue but subdued it when he attacked the weak area.

which has no correlation with a Hyuuga of the norm... that sets the standard for the Gentle Fist practitioner we're referring to.

OP never said this though.

Didn't say it didn't nor did OP say so. Thread title is whether Gentle Fist can destroy susanoO. Answer is a simple yes.

Otherwise if it is Kaguya's standard of Gentle Fist, then absolutely

So you agree with OP. Good boy.

but then we'd have to take JJ Madara's hypothetical Susanoo into the equation if we are to be fair here, which nullifies the argument since we have no shed of idea how potent Madara's P.S. would be with all that chakra at his disposal

Still weaker than Kaguya actually since Hagoromo says Madara is near his level, with Hagoromo himself being inferior to Kaguya.

Hypotheticals also don't matter as that just opens a massive can of worms we don't need to deal with.

but we got a glimpse into how strong it would be through Sasuke using the Tailed Beast's chakra to supplement his, but that was only a fraction of the Juubi's chakra,

And yet Databook still puts Vacuum Palm above any of VOTE 2 Sasuke's abilitues.

Not to mention Sasuke was getting his ass beat by Kinshiki and fused Momoshiki, Susano'O and Rennigan in hand, despite those two being far, far, far below Kaguya.

but I think that establishes the fact that Susanoo is just another level if we take away redundant chakra levels of a gods and

Why do you want to take away Kaguya's Chakra levels? Because she's obviously stronger? By this logic, we should also lower the Uchihas Chakra levels like Hebi Sasuke's down to Neji's level and THEN compare them, but I know you won't see that as acceptable since it is using your own logic against you.

only consider the naturally born Uchiha and Hyuuga, in which case Perfect Susanoo can never be harmed.

Said this before, but here it is again.

You're cop-out excuse of excluding Ootsutsukis like Kaguya and asking to only use Hyugas like Hinata is the same as excluding full-blood Sayains like Goku and using half-Sayains like Gohan instead to make a point. Pathetic and pretty much shows that you concede that Byakugan at it's prime > Mangekyo/Sharingan at it's prime and you have to instead focus your efforts on weaker versions to prove your point.

 

[Mori Jin]

Hiashi can Break Susano'o with Air Wall Palm.



This.

Of course Kaguya be to powerful, only plot no Jutsu can take her out.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Gentle fist requires inducing chakra into opponent. The real reason hinata is not using byakugan is because of nine tails chakra. Are you saying neji activated his byakugan in chuunin exams uselessly?

like Susanoo the GF is awakened once the user awakens their byakugan

Hence why Hima went above and beyond in doing a tenketsu seal seconds after unlocking her eyes, when her brother still can't do the any real GF even though he trained under the style from his Mother.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The Hyuga can use shape manipulation so that point is out of the window.

That doesn't mean they can use it to the level of Kaguya, since there are levels to shape manipulation. Both TLF and Rasengan are shape manipulation but latter is superior. With that in mind, the databook also says Vacuum Attack is made possible through Kaguya's mastery of over Chakra, which no Hyuga has achieved or likely ever will.

Rokudo chakra would only amp it's power not much else.

That still counts for a lot considering it is the strongest energy source in the series.

The fact that the Hyuga don't use the jutsu and had to develop another jutsu based off of it neutralised it being a GF tech.

Where's your proof that the Hyuga created Vacuum Palm BASED off of Kaguya when Kaguya wasn't even around when they showed up years upon years later? Damn fanfics as always.

Minato based Rasengan off of TBB.

Hyugas inherited a weaker version, just as Obito's Kamui is hinted to be a dervitave of Kaguya's black holes or how Kaguya's All-Killing Ash Bones led to Kimimaro's Dead Bone Pulse.

Otherwise they'd be using the same jutsu but weaker.

Databook: Vacuum Palms is a weaker version of Vacuum Attack

This guy: Why are the Hyuga no using the same jutsu but weaker????

The proper comparison would be from palm bottom to air palm same technique but varying strength.

WTF is palm bottom? What are you even saying?

Yes and Kaguya uses it in conjunction with the rinne sharingan (her perfect dojutsu) so that's all good.

RenniSharingan technique somehow being compared to Byakugan technique by Kishimoto. Lol You just gotta love this guy's logic.

Are you saying the rasengan which is based off of tbb is a tailed beast jutsu. I hope you understand how stupid your flawed comparison is. You always used flawed logic to push forward your fanfics only a Iike for like comparison can be given not the bs about rasenshuriken which isn't even relevant.Rasengan is compared to TSB becaise it's based off of it, notbbwcause the 2 jutsu are the same. Keep trying or present a scan or databook entry confirming it to be a GF jutsu

Rasengan/TBB aren't the same case as Vacuum Palm/Vacuum Attack. You're comparing a technique developed based on another technique's basic principles VS a genetic ability being passed down and diluting due to loss in power from the Juubi down to the Hyuga.

Rasengan was based off of TBB by Minato studying the latter and applying the same principles.

Vacuum Palm is a watered down version inherited genetically by the Hyuga, as it is a KKG, just as Dead Bone Pulse, a KKG, is a watered down version of Kaguya's All-Killing Ash Bones.

Unless you can show me where it says the Hyuga developed and based Vacuum Palm on Vacuum Attack like what Minato did? But you can't.

 

[salamander uchiha]

- I'm in denial mode because I have no counters and I don't want to post the databook entry. I don't want to present it because it says similar and not the same, just as rasengan is similar to the TBB because it's based off of it-

I know, I know. It can't be helped when you use fallacies to argue and support fanfics.

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[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Byakugan boosts her aim/precision, so yes it does make it stronger as she can aim for weak spots. As we saw with Bolt, finding vulnerable areas makes a massive difference as his Kunais couldn't damage the Nue but subdued it when he attacked the weak area.

Which is unneeded to destroy a Perfect Susanoo when you have ALL the destructive power.

Still weaker than Kaguya actually since Hagoromo says Madara is near his level, with Hagoromo himself being inferior to Kaguya.

NOPE. Madara's Susanoo was already God level even without redundant chakra reserves and it matched Hashirama's destructive power to a certain extent, despite the obvious disadvantage. With as much chakra as he had, that gap would be filled easily, especially since his Susanoo was comparable to a being with the biggest natural reserves in the series even though his was almost average in comparison.

Hypotheticals also don't matter as that just opens a massive can of worms we don't need to deal with.

Then be fair and not bring in Kaguya who has the most powerful Uchiha and Hyuuga techniques alike.

And yet Databook still puts Vacuum Palm above any of VOTE 2 Sasuke's abilitues.

Still weak at the hands of a normal Hyuuga versus a normal Uchiha. V1 Susanoo the weakest form of Susanoo is enough to block it.

Not to mention Sasuke was getting his ass beat by Kinshiki and fused Momoshiki, Susano'O and Rennigan in hand, despite those two being far, far, far below Kaguya.

Momoshiki doped on Shinju power induced pills and Kinshiki already had redundant chakra reserves. Automatically their avatars would be stronger since you're combining the powers of TWO GODS who've consumed chakra fruits along their expeditions and this has no correlation with the topic at hand by the way.

Why do you want to take away Kaguya's Chakra levels? Because she's obviously stronger? By this logic, we should also lower the Uchihas Chakra levels like Hebi Sasuke's down to Neji's level and THEN compare them, but I know you won't see that as acceptable since it is using your own logic against you.

In that case, Sasuke would have normal chakra reserves right, but it was never said MS poses required high levels of chakra, and Itachi with average chakra reserves at best could still access what, V4, and all Sasuke or any Uchiha would need against such a weak technique as Air Palm is V1, which any normal Uchiha with MS can access. Chakra is the least of the problems in MS prowess.

You're cop-out excuse of excluding Ootsutsukis like Kaguya and asking to only use Hyugas like Hinata is the same as excluding full-blood Sayains like Goku and using half-Sayains like Gohan instead to make a point. Pathetic and pretty much shows that you concede that Byakugan at it's prime > Mangekyo/Sharingan at it's prime.

I don't get the comparison with Saiyans at all since this is a Naruto manga. The Byakugan at its prime is Hiashi. The Sharingan at its prime is Itachi and Itachi whoops Hiashi's ass meg diff. Naturally born Uchiha with no Kaguya level power > naturally born Hyuuga with no Kaguya level power.

As Indra pointed out. 0 * 1000 is still 0. Applying the same rule of your Hyuuga companion, it's practically 10 * 1000 vs. 1000 * 1000. That is either way, Itachi would end up stronger than your strongest Hyuuga if both are bestowed Kaguya level chakra. That is fairness by the way.

 

[Dremolite]

like Susanoo the GF is awakened once the user awakens their byakugan

Hence why Hima went above and beyond in doing a tenketsu seal seconds after unlocking her eyes, when her brother still can't do the any real GF even though he trained under the style from his Mother.

Do you have statement proof? There is no proof himawari didnt practice it with her immense talent from hinata. Byakugan helps see tenketsu so himawari can see it and strike it. Tenketsu striking is easy for himawari because she has hinata and naruto power in her.

 

[123fire]

Kaguya isn't even a hyuga Lady Bayakugan :kk:

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I know, I know. It can't be helped when you use fallacies to argue and support fanfics.

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[SIZ]Me when I read this post unworthy of a response other than the above.[/SIZE]

Best rebuttal I've seen in a while. Really praiseworthy.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Kaguya isn't even a hyuga Lady Bayakugan :kk:

Where did I say she is?