if sasuke didnt take the biju chakra

[Sound]

Pretty sure the Bijuu chakra didn't make his attack stronger...

Rofl this guy.

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O.T: He'd be badly humiliated. That's why he needed another power-up and still stalemated. With equivalent
power-ups Naruto is way above Rinnegan Sasuke. Sasuke only w/ full bijuus could draw with Naruto at that point.​

 

[lanakui8]

The ability use other techs is evidenced by his using chidori with it. Why would he be able use one but unable to use the others

....because chidori isn't a rinnegan technique....
...because just because you can use one technique through something =/= you can use ALL techniques through something
.... because preta path absorbs chakra, therefore putting the preta barrier around susanoo would result in susanoo being absorbed as well as whatever attack is being used on it.

It's even worse than me claiming that KCM Naruto can use bijuudama rasenshuriken since he can use bijuudama, and he can use rasenshuriken, or claiming that KCM NAruto can use a bijuudama on the level of BM Naruto because KCM NAruto has the same amount of chakra as BM NAruto.

In majority of the examples you gave the opportunity to use absorbsion wasn't there as they were either blitzed or blindsided.

really? Madara didn't see the rasenshuriken coming at him when he got hit by YRS? He didn't see sasuke coming at him with chidori eiso? Kaguya didn't see naruto's rasenshurikens being thrown at her? If preta path can't even absorb those attacks, then obviously it's not going to be a factor in this fight.

The middle part is nonsense. It doesn't take into account how the fight played out. After the bijuu chakra was absorbed he smacked the avatar clones around and then fired Indra's arrow to which naruto responded by throwing the two tbbfrs. There was never a need to use these "fictitious" abilities

um, why smack the avatars around when you can not only defeat them, but add their chakra to your own power? Why use indra's arrow when you can just blitz and absorb all of naruto's chakra?

If you want to take into account how the fight played out, Sasuke with intent to kill didn't use any of those fictitious abilities you're trying to arbitrate he has, and therefore as long as you can't prove by necessity that he has them, he doesn't get them.

Evaluate naruto by the same standards and I can come up with a ton of fictitious abilities that naruto could have used, but just decided not to.

Sasuke's preta shits on everything in nardo's arsenal

the same preta path that couldn't absorb attacks like YRS, chidori eiso and bijuu rasenshuriken despite being used by actually juubi jins and kaguya? The same preta path who's best feat is getting its barrier pushed back by SM FRS and absorbing amaterasu after the user gets smothered by it?

Yeah no, give sasuke the ability to absorb any ninjutsu regardless of its potency, properties, and regardless of his reaction time, and naruto gains the ability to use things like tajuu kagebunshin all of which are powered by kokuo's chakra boiling ability, or their attacks just get imbued with tons of natural energy making sasuke turn into stone, or naruto just blitzes sasuke's head off with the shunshin he used to rip kaguya's arm off.

Seriously for every ability that you give to Sasuke that simply can't be disproven with 100% certainty, I can give naruto 3 abilities that you can't disprove with 100% certainty.

 

[Transcendence]

Not stomped, but Naruto would have won without too much effort compared to the extreme difficulty of the actual fight. It's essentially what would have happened to Madara if he didn't bring Kurama to fight Hashirama. Hashirama w/ Shinsenjuu would have annihilated Madara and his PS because it lacked the extra firepower Kurama provided. Likewise, without the Bijuu chakra to amplify his Susano'o to even higher levels, Naruto absorbing such nature chakra and using that attack would have obliterated his prior utilized Susano'o and Sasuke would have been the one on the floor.

 

[Stxluciferr]

....because chidori isn't a rinnegan technique....
...because just because you can use one technique through something =/= you can use ALL techniques through something
.... because preta path absorbs chakra, therefore putting the preta barrier around susanoo would result in susanoo being absorbed as well as whatever attack is being used on it.

It's even worse than me claiming that KCM Naruto can use bijuudama rasenshuriken since he can use bijuudama, and he can use rasenshuriken, or claiming that KCM NAruto can use a bijuudama on the level of BM Naruto because KCM NAruto has the same amount of chakra as BM NAruto.


really? Madara didn't see the rasenshuriken coming at him when he got hit by YRS? He didn't see sasuke coming at him with chidori eiso? Kaguya didn't see naruto's rasenshurikens being thrown at her? If preta path can't even absorb those attacks, then obviously it's not going to be a factor in this fight.


um, why smack the avatars around when you can not only defeat them, but add their chakra to your own power? Why use indra's arrow when you can just blitz and absorb all of naruto's chakra?

If you want to take into account how the fight played out, Sasuke with intent to kill didn't use any of those fictitious abilities you're trying to arbitrate he has, and therefore as long as you can't prove by necessity that he has them, he doesn't get them.

Evaluate naruto by the same standards and I can come up with a ton of fictitious abilities that naruto could have used, but just decided not to.

It's more logical to assume that he can than he can't at this point in the series. Now your just grasping at the straws, and my original statement was based around the premise of if he could.

Just because you see it coming doesn't mean you weren't blitzed

Sasuke clearly thought Indra's arrow would be the end of the fight

Not stomped, but Naruto would have won without too much effort compared to the extreme difficulty of the actual fight. It's essentially what would have happened to Madara if he didn't bring Kurama to fight Hashirama. Hashirama w/ Shinsenjuu would have annihilated Madara and his PS because it lacked the extra firepower Kurama provided. Likewise, without the Bijuu chakra to amplify his Susano'o to even higher levels, Naruto absorbing such nature chakra and using that attack would have obliterated his prior utilized Susano'o and Sasuke would have been the one on the floor.

This is mostly true

 

[lanakui8]

It's more logical to assume that he can than he can't at this point in the series. Now your just grasping at the straws, and my original statement was base around the premise of if he could.

Why in the world is it more logical to assume that sasuke can use preta path through perfect susanoo despite having killing intent and never using that ability or giving any indication of being able to use such an ability?
Why is it more logical to assume that he can use that when the best thing he's used through susanoo is chidori, a technique he had almost 600 chapters ago?

Just because you see it coming doesn't mean you weren't blitzed

Which once again means that preta path is a non-factor since kaguya and madara could see the attack coming yet couldn't even absorb it.

Sasuke clearly Indra's arrow would be the end of the fight

I'm not talking about after he decided to use indra's arrow, i'm talking about all the times he used PS before that. I'm talking about when PS touched Kurama's avatar with its sword, when it fist-bumped the kurama avatar, when it blitzed the avatar from behind. If PS actually had preta path and it works like you're arbitrating and sasuke has killing intent, the kurama avatar gets sucked up and naruto gets pushed to asura mode and killing intent before Sasuke even absorbs the bijuu.

 

[Strawberry]

sasuke would still solo naruto

 

[V h o]

Sasuke would've lost easily. Naruto still could use all that senjutsu he used, yet Sasuke would not have his "strongest attack" to counter it, therefore he would get obliterated...

 

[Mad Daz]

The fight would be over with already obviously. Without all 9 of the bijuus chakra, sasuke would have eventually worn himself out on a passive naruto. Naruto wouldnt even need to get serious.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Why in the world is it more logical to assume that sasuke can use preta path through perfect susanoo despite having killing intent and never using that ability or giving any indication of being able to use such an ability?
Why is it more logical to assume that he can use that when the best thing he's used through susanoo is chidori, a technique he had almost 600 chapters ago?



Which once again means that preta path is a non-factor since kaguya and madara could see the attack coming yet couldn't even absorb it.


I'm not talking about after he decided to use indra's arrow, i'm talking about all the times he used PS before that. I'm talking about when PS touched Kurama's avatar with its sword, when it fist-bumped the kurama avatar, when it blitzed the avatar from behind. If PS actually had preta path and it works like you're arbitrating and sasuke has killing intent, the kurama avatar gets sucked up and naruto gets pushed to asura mode and killing intent before Sasuke even absorbs the bijuu.

Sasuke's chakra manipulation has been put on par with Hagaromo. He's already used chidori with susanoo which is a regular tech as well as Amaterasu/enton which is a doujutsu tech. Are you really trying to assert it's illogical to assume someone on par with Hagaromo in terms of manipulating chakra, and has already used a doujutsu tech with susanoo can use another

If you didn't have time to react to getting hit how would you have had time to active an absorption tech

Just because sasuke choose not a tech one way doesn't mean didn't have it or couldn't use it. When sasuke used his s/t he could've grab naruto and used preta put he didn't, does that mean he unable to use it till he decided to take the bijuu chakra? No

 

[lanakui8]

Sasuke's chakra manipulation has been out on par with Hagaromo. He's already chidori with susanoo which is a regular tech as Amaterasu which is a doujutsu tech. Are you really trying assert it's illogical to assume someone on par with Hagaromo in terms of manipulating chakra, and has already used a doujutsu tech with susanoo can use another

Wait a second, that's absolutely not what you're trying to argue. If you're just trying to say that sasuke can use preta path and susanoo at the same time, then that's not all that implausible, however you're trying to argue that sasuke can use preta path THROUGH susanoo like he did with chidori, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the manga.

Also, sasuke's ability to control the bijuu chakra is on par with hagoromo's ability to control the bijuu chakra.

If you didn't have time to react to getting hit how would you have had time to active an absorption tech

...so basically you're saying that absorbing an attack is slower than physically dodging the attack? If that's so, then again i'll ask how preta path is even a factor in this fight if Sasuke would have to be able to dodge the attack in order to absorb it?

Then there's the fact that nagato has shown him activating preta path after getting hit by an attack and still absorbing the jutsu......

Just because sasuke choose not a tech one way doesn't mean didn't have it or couldn't it. When sasuke used his s/t he could've grab naruto and used preta put he didn't, does that mean he unable to use it till he decided to take the bijuu chakra? No

I'm not asserting something with absolute certainty, so the bolded doesn't mean anything. I'm talking about PLAUSIBILITY, and if sasuke has the abilities you are arbitrating he has, then it completely changes what happens in the manga and what difficulty sasuke pushes naruto to before the indra arrow.

Based on what could sasuke have grabbed naruto with his S/T, and based on what would naruto not have just overloaded sasuke with natural energy like he did to pain's preta path the instant sasuke started doing that, or ripped sasuke's arm or kicked him away while he tried to absorb naruto's chakra?

 

[Stxluciferr]

Wait a second, that's absolutely not what you're trying to argue. If you're just trying to say that sasuke can use preta path and susanoo at the same time, then that's not all that implausible, however you're trying to argue that sasuke can use preta path THROUGH susanoo like he did with chidori, and that has absolutely nothing to do with the manga.

Also, sasuke's ability to control the bijuu chakra is on par with hagoromo's ability to control the bijuu chakra.


...so basically you're saying that absorbing an attack is slower than physically dodging the attack? If that's so, then again i'll ask how preta path is even a factor in this fight if Sasuke would have to be able to dodge the attack in order to absorb it?

Then there's the fact that nagato has shown him activating preta path after getting hit by an attack and still absorbing the jutsu......


I'm not asserting something with absolute certainty, so the bolded doesn't mean anything. I'm talking about PLAUSIBILITY, and if sasuke has the abilities you are arbitrating he has, then it completely changes what happens in the manga and what difficulty sasuke pushes naruto to before the indra arrow.

Based on what could sasuke have grabbed naruto with his S/T, and based on what would naruto not have just overloaded sasuke with natural energy like he did to pain's preta path the instant sasuke started doing that, or ripped sasuke's arm or kicked him away while he tried to absorb naruto's chakra?

When sasuke uses Enton arrows he is not making arrows and then setting them ablaze with Amaterasu. He's forming the Enton through susanoo. If your able manipulate bijuu chakra which isn't your that you just took in that speaks volumes about your ability to manipulate chakra, especially that which is already yours.

If your blized it means you didn't have time to react to what was happening not necessarily dodge. Unless your saying Naruto was going to be moving to fast for Sasuke to react at all then preta is a factor.

And again just because it did not happen one does not mean it can't be done. In the end the other dimensions were available to kaguya escape to but she didn't. Does that mean she unable to traverse other dimensions than one she was in

Him having or not having the these abilities does not change anything in the manga. How he chooses to fight the fight is just how he choose to fight the fight

 

[lanakui8]

When sasuke uses Enton arrows he is not making arrows and then setting them ablaze with Amaterasu. He's forming the Enton through susanoo. If your able manipulate bijuu chakra which isn't your that you just took in that speaks volumes about your ability to manipulate chakra, especially that which is already yours.

Sure, sasuke can use enton with susanoo, yet has he shown the ability to use enton through his PS? Has he shown the ability to use amaterasu through his PS?

Sure, sasuke's ability to manipulate chakra is great..... so what? You're going to have to argue that that ability is so great that he is able to do X or Y, and where is that argument?

If your blized it means you didn't have time to react to what was happening not necessarily dodge. Unless your saying Naruto was going to be moving to fast for Sasuke to react at all then preta is a factor.

Don't waste my time. Kaguya and Madara both reacted to the attack, they saw the attack coming at them long before the attack hit them, they simply couldn't dodge the attack. Unless you want to argue otherwise, sasuke is going to have to be able to react to the attack enough to dodge them in order to absorb them via preta.

And again just because it did not happen one does not mean it can't be done. In the end the other dimensions were available to kaguya escape to but she didn't. Does that mean she unable to traverse other dimensions than one she was in

Are you talking about when she got hit by the bijuu rasenshurikens? She couldn't traverse to the other dimensions because the rasenshurikens were too fast for her.

And to you AGAIN, I'm not stating anything with 100% certainty as no one can fulfill that kind of burden of proof, however just because I can't fulfill that doesn't in anyway mean that the alternative argument is true or even plausible at all

Him having or not having the these abilities does not change anything in the manga. How he chooses to fight the fight is just how he choose to fight the fight

Him having an ability that would have radically pushed naruto to a much higher difficulty w/o a major powerup immensly changes the manga. Unless you can prove that Sasuke has these abilities you want to arbitrate he has, him not using them despite those abilities drastically increasing his performance is overwhelming evidence that he either does not have those abilities, or naruto has something that would have countered said abilities and churned out the same results.

Seriously, if you want to give sasuke abilities that are possible, but overwhelmingly improbable, then you give naruto his abilities that are possible yet overwhelmingly improbable as well, and they both cancel each other out.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

naruto would stomped him

 

[skygoku]

Been a while

BUmp

 

[Styles]

Sauce woulda used Ameno to teleport Naruto into his twin FRS. Or just Ameno out the way. There is no need to counter an attack if you know u can't/couldn't.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Pretty sure the Bijuu chakra didn't make his attack stronger...

if it didnt then there would be no reason to use them

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Pain already demonstrated that senjutsu can in fact be absorbed, the drawback being his enability to handle said absorbed senjutsu. Sasuke is already an experienced handler of senjutsu and shouldn't have any problems dealing with it

As far as TBB's not being absorbed that more than likely has more to do with scale of there impact being to large to absorb all at once which is why I brought up using it in tandem with susanoo



There's no doubt pre bijuu Sasuke has less raw power than current Naruto. But theoretically yes he should be able to, intill that natural energy got absorbed by kurama

umm sauske cant use senjutsu it was juugo supplying the chakra to his susanoo while sauske fired off attacks sauske himself cant use it

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Sauce woulda used Ameno to teleport Naruto into his twin FRS. Or just Ameno out the way. There is no need to counter an attack if you know u can't/couldn't.

you forgetting naruto can just grab the twin frs with chakra arms

 

[Styles]

you forgetting naruto can just grab the twin frs with chakra arms

How he was out of chakra the moment he and Sasuke made those jutsu's.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Sasuke fans are truly the Batman fans of the Naruto series. So disgustingly biased and stubborn.