Kushina and Karin the most powerful females

[salamander uchiha]

Nope it is KKG since Karin awakened it, not learned it. And before you yank out the DB, Hashirama is said to not have Yin Style even though he is Genjutsu user and Obito isn't listed a user of Six Paths Senjutsu :lol

Manga takes priority over DB.




No they don't.

Databook gives extra knowledge about jutsu as is it's purpose and I've yet for the manga to claim it to be the kekkei Genkai of the Uzumaki clan. Not even kushina calls it that unless you have the scan for that. It's an A rank, Hiden, barrier, fuinn jutsu. Now I'm willing to concede if you can furnish the scan that confirms it's a kekkei genkai.

Giving details about abilities is different to listing them.

As for kushina doing it against humans unless humans are the same as tailed beasts and it has been done to them it's on you to prove she can do it. Unlike Kurama humans aren't big masses of chakra and can use jutsu to counter, dodge, evade, kill etc.

 

[Made in Heaven]

She did not beat a Bijuu, she sealed it.

Same difference. After all, no one can beat a Bijuu if we are being technical like you since they are immortal. Just like how Naruto had to seal Kurama after getting KCM.

Kurama infact mangled them, sealing techniques just remove the issue that is too much for the user to deal with otherwise.

Doesn't matter, as Kushina gave birth, was suppressing Kurama while doing so, and had Bijuu extracted out of. She at full power would easily fully pin down Kurama.

Chains didn't even give Karin the win over zetsu lmao they're evidently good at big targets though -shrug-

Karin awakened her KKG newly, duh. With enough control like Kushina, she would be more powerful with them and can use them more offensively.

Databook gives extra knowledge about jutsu as is it's purpose and I've yet for the manga to claim it to be the kekkei Genkai of the Uzumaki clan. Not even kusgina calls it that unless you have the scan for that. It's an A rank, Hiden, barrier, fuinn jutsu.

Giving details about abilities is different to listing them.

lol Apparently Hiden techniques can be awakened now without learning them :lol

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

That would be like me asking if Kushina and Karin and heal hundreds of people at once lol or use Fuuton strong enough to level a forest it's a tilt but it doesn't cover everything. Only what I want to be selective about.

All considered they aren't the most powerful. They can have strong life force and chains lol but they're not.

Prevention is better than cure. Kushina and Karin could stop Kurama from killing thousands instead of healing hundreds.

Its obvious which feat is better

 

[Belserion]

Wait a second Sarada too randomly used CES and Sakura's look indicates that she hasn't trained Sarada in chakra control.

But CES isn't a KKG now is it?

 

[Joshutsu]

Same difference. After all, no one can beat a Bijuu if we are being technical like you since they are immortal. Just like how Naruto had to seal Kurama after getting KCM.


Doesn't matter, as Kushina gave birth, was suppressing Kurama while doing so, and had Bijuu extracted out of. She at full power would easily fully pin down Kurama.



Karin awakened her KKG newly, duh. With enough control like Kushina, she would be more powerful with them and can use them more offensively.

Exactly @ bold, now you're getting it lol

I already stated that in my initial post to this thread lol

We've never seen an experiences Uzumaki wield those giant chains in 1v1 against an opponent that wasn't bijuu sized besides in a filler which also was poor. I can't go by assumptions until further notice sorry...

 

[Joshutsu]

Prevention is better than cure. Kushina and Karin could stop Kurama from killing thousands instead of healing hundreds.

Its obvious which feat is better

That's quite a selective case as well. There are many scenarios one would be much more useful than the other.

That's like saying Kushina and Karin should be Hokage because they can protect the leaf from Kurama far better than prety much all kage besides Naruto and Hashirama. Yet these people destroy them in most other scenarios of threat or the like

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You can technically beat a bijuu. Defeat doesn't have to involve absolute death.

Hidan and Kakuzu defeated a bijuu because Matatabi was beaten to a point where it wasn't able to fight. That's a defeat.

 

[Joshutsu]

No its not because soloing Kurama is better feat than anything those 3 can do.You can be selective as much as you wont they don't have feats comparable to those 3 thing I mentioned.

But they didn't solo Kurama. They don't have the power to do that outside of sealing him away so he cannot kill them easily.

Kushina is an A list sealing ninja. Karin hasn't done much impressive beyond breaking that statue. I have nothing else to say lol

 

[salamander uchiha]

You can technically beat a bijuu. Defeat doesn't have to involve absolute death.

Hidan and Kakuzu defeated a bijuu because Matatabi was beaten to a point where it wasn't able to fight. That's a defeat.

Didn't deidara and Tobi also beat the 3 tails?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Didn't deidara and Tobi also beat the 3 tails?

Yes, this thread is getting needlessly technical.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yes, this thread is getting needlessly technical.

Your right but this thread is designed to bash certain characters by using ABC logic.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Wait a second Sarada too randomly used CES and Sakura's look indicates that she hasn't trained Sarada in chakra control.

But CES isn't a KKG now is it?

lmao Reaching as ****.

Orochimaru points out Karin gained that technique just then. Again, since when were Hidens awakened without learning them? Last I recall, a Hiden is a technique that anyone can learn but is kept secret within clans, while KKG are awakened/attained through emotional trauma (Byakugan/Sharingan).

Sakura's facial expression doesn't prove jack, as she could just be surprised at her acting out and fighting the Shins, which is in fact the more likely conclusion.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

That's quite a selective case as well. There are many scenarios one would be much more useful than the other.

That's like saying Kushina and Karin should be Hokage because they can protect the leaf from Kurama far better than prety much all kage besides Naruto and Hashirama. Yet these people destroy them in most other scenarios of threat or the like

Protecting against Kurama was just one example of its power. It can be used in other was as well lol. We all know its destructive powers as well from Karin's demonstration.

This is what the DB has to say about Kushihna's Adamantine Sealing Chains:

Uzamaki Kushina's Jutsu coms from inside Naruto to bind Kyuubi. A characteristic of the Uzamaki Clan is powerful fuuinjutsu. Chains are released and the opponent is bound head to foot, moving about is sealed. The chain's, strong point, is how overwhelmingly sturdy (durable basically) they are, kyuubi was quickly suppressed. It was this power that made the Jinchuuriki Kushina the perfect seal for Kyuubi. Uzamaki Karin's Jutsu only shows a mere glimpse of this Jutsu (Basically Karin's Jutsu is a glimpse of this Jutsu's true ability, and I guess that's why Karin was not listed as a user)

Karin's demonstration was a mere glimpse of its true powers and with just that she caused significant damage to the Shinsusenju. Imagine Kushina using its full power.

Again Tsunade and Sakura's demonstration of powers do not even comes close to matching the power of the chakra chains.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Karin awakened her KKG newly, duh. With enough control like Kushina, she would be more powerful with them and can use them more offensively.

lol Apparently Hiden techniques can be awakened now without learning them :lol

Where's the proof it's a kekkei Genkai? Where did Kushina call it a kekkei Genkai? Where did anybody call it a Kekkei Genkai? Where did anybody refer to The chains as The Uzumaki clan kekkei Genkai?
The only classification it has is A rank, Hiden, barrier, Fuinn jutsu. Present the proof or stop making excuses and accept it for what it is.

Like I said humans are different to inanimate objects and tailed beasts they have intelligence and jitsu of a higher degree. To use ABC logic like you are is a joke.

 

[1000 Chirping Birds]

Your right but this thread is designed to bash certain characters by using ABC logic.

I mean you're not exactly innocent of that from todays threads

 

[Made in Heaven]

We've never seen an experiences Uzumaki wield those giant chains in 1v1 against an opponent that wasn't bijuu sized besides in a filler which also was poor. I can't go by assumptions until further notice sorry...

And what reason is there to believe Chakra Chains only work on Bijuus/large opponents when Obito himself used Demonic Statue Chains to pull in KCM Naruto into Son Goku? Are you trying to imply the Chains magically aren't able to bind around small objects despite Kushina showing perfect control over them? There is no exception until an exception is shown.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I mean you're not exactly innocent of that from todays threads

That's your opinion and your entitled to it, I am trying to be less harsh(blunt/honest) towards characters.

 

[Team7monaa]

Are we still having this argument? Karin hasn’t shown complete control over the chains and the only person who has is Kushina and she’s dead, from what we’ve seen Ay was able to destroy the wood statue without his lightning armour so to say that Karin’s feat with the chains is more impressive than anything Tsunade and Sakura have shown is quite frankly denial. From what we’ve seen the chains are frankly not that strong in a 1v1 situation purely because they are extremely large and the latter lack the firepower to do anything that can kill their foe.

I’ll stand for Kushina though because restricting a tailed beast is extremely impressive.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

What was condition of Kushina ???

1.She got Bijuu removed . Naruto was literally dying after bijuu removal he didn't have any strength inside him.

2. She was low on chakra

What she did in this condition

1. Bind full Kurama

2. Create another barrier that was so strong not even Hiruzen and other Anbu could break it.

Sakura / Tsunade were low on chakra just like Kushina. What they did against Shinusenju

Oh yeah nothing.

What Karin did with inferior version of Uzmaki chains ?

She obliterated Shinsusenju .

Nothing but facts. Let's hope Karin's blood will soon manifest within Salad just like Sasuke's did.

Let's hope for same with Himawari. Then they could solo together with chakra chains.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Let's hope for same with Himawari. Then they could solo together with chakra chains.

They will encounter more Bijuus like the Nue, so it is needed but I fear Himawari will be too hax with her Byakugan that's > Kaguya's and Chakra Chains powered by Hagoromo/Hamura chakra.