Pain vs Nagato - Which would be the hardest to face.

[MightGai]

Title.

Even though Nagato can use the same techniques a bit stronger, on the other side you're facing 6 ninjas at the same time (albeit each with one path) with shared vision and so on. Also, all 6th paths can be used simultaneously where as Nagato can use (as far as we have seen) 3 or so. So for a regular shinobi, which would be hardest to face? the 6 paths of Pain or Nagato?

 

[Konno]

Nagato will be more difficult to face.
With Pain, you can restrict his view by separating 6 bodies and killing one by one (of course, if the body is not being reincarnated over and over).
With Nagato, he can control all his powers in one body, which gives him the advantage of protecting himself from any direction with not a lot of effort.

 

[MightGai]

Nagato will be more difficult to face.
With Pain, you can restrict his view by separating 6 bodies and killing one by one (of course, if the body is not being reincarnated over and over).
With Nagato, he can control all his powers in one body, which gives him the advantage of protecting himself from any direction with not a lot of effort.

But you're only one, how can you separate 6 bodies? Also, as you say, the one that reincarnates is not in the same body as the other powers (like Nagato), so even with intel you need to know which one to kill or else they will get resurrected every time.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's already canon that it's harder to fight Nagato so I hope nobody thinks otherwise.

 

[Konno]

But you're only one, how can you separate 6 bodies? Also, as you say, the one that reincarnates is not in the same body as the other powers (like Nagato), so even with intel you need to know which one to kill or else they will get resurrected every time.

There's no need to separate 6 bodies, they are all inside you. Nagato can reincarnate the body by simply performing the jutsu.

 

[Edogawa]

Nagato's advantage:

1). The power and speed of his Jutsu is 6x times stronger and faster, since he focuses his Chakra in himself instead of distributing it.
2). He can access to his sensory powers.

6 Paths of Nagato/Pain advantage:

1). Better to combat Genjutsu.
2). Better for taking on a village.
3). Outnumber an individual.
4). Nagato himself is crippled, the Pains are not.
5). Nagato is safe from fighting.

As you see, both of them have their advantages and disadvantages over each other, though they still remain in the same tier. In the end of the day, whether Nagato is dividing or focusing his power, the AOE of his Jutsu shit-stomps any character who is not an Ototsuki, Jubi's Jinchuriki, Biju Perfect Susanoo Sasuke or RSM Naruto.

But still, Shinusenju tanked 11 bladed TBB which have more power than Quad Jubi TBB and Chojo Kebutsu which created an explosion bigger than VOTE.

 

[Draekon]

Nagato's advantage:

1). The power and speed of his Jutsu is 6x times stronger and faster, since he focuses his Chakra in himself instead of distributing it.
2). He can access to his sensory powers.

6 Paths of Nagato/Pain advantage:

1). Better to combat Genjutsu.
2). Better for taking on a village.
3). Outnumber an individual.
4). Nagato himself is crippled, the Pains are not.
5). Nagato is safe from fighting.

As you see, both of them have their advantages and disadvantages over each other, though they still remain in the same tier. In the end of the day, whether Nagato is dividing or focusing his power, the AOE of his Jutsu shit-stomps any character who is not an Ototsuki, Jubi's Jinchuriki, Biju Perfect Susanoo Sasuke or RSM Naruto.

But still, Shinusenju tanked 11 bladed TBB which have more power than Quad Jubi TBB and Chojo Kebutsu which created an explosion bigger than VOTE.

who do you think is stronger, ems madara without kurama or non-crippled nagato?

 

[MightGai]

There's no need to separate 6 bodies, they are all inside you. Nagato can reincarnate the body by simply performing the jutsu.

I meant when you said "With Pain, you can restrict his view by separating 6 bodies and killing one by one (of course, if the body is not being reincarnated over and over)." . How can you separate the 6 bodies if you're fighting alone? (I take it you meant separating the bodies and fighting them one on one). Also, if Nagato gets killed, he can't be resurrected (who would res him anyways? he cannot self-resurrect), but with the Pain bodies, the Naraka path can keep resurrecting them as long as it's alive.

 

[Konno]

I meant when you said "With Pain, you can restrict his view by separating 6 bodies and killing one by one (of course, if the body is not being reincarnated over and over)." . How can you separate the 6 bodies if you're fighting alone? (I take it you meant separating the bodies and fighting them one on one). Also, if Nagato gets killed, he can't be resurrected (who would res him anyways? he cannot self-resurrect), but with the Pain bodies, the Naraka path can keep resurrecting them as long as it's alive.

Yes, you're right, I meant fighting The Six Paths one by one, or like Jiraya, separating them and killing some of them.
If Nagato gets killed- that's a good way of putting it - "if", he has six paths to protect him, and there is a low possibility htat he gets killed

 

[Peculiar Chester]

I think a reasonable case can be made for the Paths. For one thing, I don't think it's the case that the chakra is divided between them like Shadow Clones; rather, Nagato (the power source) simply casts his jutsu through them as needed. The only disadvantage should be the chakra he spends to control the six bodies through the receivers, which doesn't seem to be much.

Assuming the above is correct, then it mostly boils down to what is more dangerous--fighting six one-trick opponents all attacking at the same time, or fighting one opponent who can use any of the six's abilities. Honestly, I think it depends on the situation.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Nagato. He can use all paths at once. Its like fighting nico robin where she creates all kinds of limbs for all kinds of purposes all at once. No chakra attack will ever reach nagato.

 

[MightGai]

Yes, you're right, I meant fighting The Six Paths one by one, or like Jiraya, separating them and killing some of them.
If Nagato gets killed- that's a good way of putting it - "if", he has six paths to protect him, and there is a low possibility htat he gets killed

But Jiraiya didn't fight all 6 at once at the beginning, which would be so in this scenario. Nagato is not immortal to make a remark on the "if" part, nor more durable either (maybe if he uses Asura, which didn't prove that much of a shield either as it was utterly destroyed by Naruto, Kakashi and even Chouza).

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

But Jiraiya didn't fight all 6 at once at the beginning, which would be so in this scenario. Nagato is not immortal to make a remark on the "if" part, nor more durable either (maybe if he uses Asura, which didn't prove that much of a shield either as it was utterly destroyed by Naruto, Kakashi and even Chouza).

Naruto was in sage mode when he destroyed asura. Kakashi used raikiri, an attack capable of piercing anything. Choiza didnt destroy shit.

 

[Edogawa]

who do you think is stronger, ems madara without kurama or non-crippled nagato?

Nagato is stronger than all versions of Madara with exception of Jinchuriki Madara. Rinnegan Madara is debatable; if Limbo can use PS, then Madara wins and if not, then Nagato also beats him. Latter has too much destructive power and versatility which Madara can't deal with.

 

[Edogawa]

I think a reasonable case can be made for the Paths. For one thing, I don't think it's the case that the chakra is divided between them like Shadow Clones; rather, Nagato (the power source) simply casts his jutsu through them as needed. The only disadvantage should be the chakra he spends to control the six bodies through the receivers, which doesn't seem to be much.

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[Tantalus Thief]

Nagato is.

 

[ToshiZO]

Depends who the enemy is. For someone like Kakashi 6 paths of pain would be harder to face hands down. With Nagato he can probably just Kamui GG.