Chakra Enhanced Strength Isn't Unique to Tsunade, Sakura and Sarada

[BlazeRelease]

I think what people are missing about "Medical ninjutsu" and "CES" is the "delicate Chakra control" description.

Naruto eventually mastered chakra control, but nowhere has it ever been stated he can control chakra DELICATELY.
Same with Sasuke.

There is nothing delicate about Rasengan or Chidori, they are explosive and sharp respectively.

If ninja like kakashi or Sasuke were as "delicately refined" as say, Kabuto, they would use Chakra scalpel instead, not the very wasteful Chidori that sapped Sasukes strength after 2 uses, and kakashis after 4.

Chidori was incredibly inefficient until Sasuke proved it could be modified into other actually useful jutsu like senbon and spear, and even blade.

I am not saying current sasuke/Naruto could NOT master it, i am saying that the TYPE of chakra control is against their very natures (Sasuke is Precise like sakura, but not delicate, Naruto has mastered containing his chakra while manipulating shape, but never complex forms other than arms, and NEVER delicately).

They would have to practice A LOT to master a different type of chakra control.

 

[sayian]

[Sub]Except it isn't unique to them. As you've already said, others who are capable of using it just aren't shown to use it. Others aren't shown to use Amenotejikara. That's because they can't use as they don't have the means to. That's why it's unique to Sasuke.[/Sub]​

[Sub]Even then, you mustn't ignore the physics. Your argument is that she only uses the pent-up chakra to harden her fist. If that was the case, there wouldn't be huge AOE. Instead, she'd drill an almost perfect mold of her arm into the ground. To achieve that kind of AOE she's demonstrated, she'd have to release that pent-up chakra. Furthermore, why would she show exhaustion if she wasn't expending any chakra at all? That line of logic makes no sense.[/Sub]​

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Since you want to talk about physics then If her arm bust the aoe around her without the release of chakra then that only validates the sheer massive amount impact force of kinetic energy packed by the power ces. Have no idea what you mean by her fatigue i don't remember seeing that then again i never really paid much attention to her.

 

[lndra]

Not necessarily, but the way they control their CC is somewhat unique to them.

 

[Imp]

Ninja are unique through their abilities and abilities grant feats so there is not really a difference there in my opinion. In the grand scheme she is unique, not to Tsunade but to the rest of NV to date.

All clan members are below her in uniqueness. Naruto and Sasuke are much more gifted than she is and received more gifts than she ever did. The fact she could acquire such a movepool is good enough.

Tsunade and Sakura do not share the same personality to the core either. They are similar in being short tempered in the comedic sense but Sakura is much different than Tsunade.

[Sub]I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. My point is, what is it about Sakura that is unique i.e. we have not seen before? Ability wise. CES, Byakugou, Katsuyu - her go-to resources - are already tied to another characters legacy. [/Sub]​

By fact, it is unique to them(currently). It doesn't have to be, but it is. Nice try.

You made an awful comparison, by the way. It was totally unnecessary.I'm speaking on a basis of substance...substance wise, CES has been shown to be unique to the 3.

[Sub]You have no idea what you're speaking about - you've already contradicted yourself three times. The logistics of CES opens itself to be used by anyone with a decent amount of chakra pool and chakra mastery. CES is usable by many characters, thus why it is not unique to them. And that analogy was appropriate, as it highlighted the dichotomy of not being able to use a technique because you don't have the skill set, and being able to use a technique in theory but just not have it shown. Don't come at me with that kind of bullshit, this isn't the General Discussion section.[/Sub]​

 

[Joshutsu]

[Sub]I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. My point is, what is it about Sakura that is unique i.e. we have not seen before? Ability wise. CES, Byakugou, Katsuyu - her go-to resources - are already tied to another characters legacy. [/Sub]​

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I literally just said she is not unique to Tsunade besides having genjutsu prowess Tsunade lacks. Her choosing to replicate someone who was in a category of her own become the second person to enter it makes her unique. More unique than most of her generation. They are the only ones on that pedestal...

She is quite a unique shinobi when looking at them in a line up. There's two of her and several of others. \o/

 

[Imp]

Since you want to talk about physics then If her arm bust the aoe around her without the release of chakra then that only validates the sheer massive amount impact force of kinetic energy packed by the power ces. Have no idea what you mean by her fatigue i don't remember seeing that then again i never really paid much attention to her.

[Sub]Lol, no. A needle can have as much kinetic energy as you want it to have. At the end of the day, it isn't going to have much of an AOE when you launch it against a biscuit. Same analogy here. As for the other point, you said that she wasn't releasing chakra i.e. it was being reabsorbed into her chakra pathway, hence I asked why she expressed exhaustion if her net chakra loss was extremely small, if not at zero.[/Sub]​

I think what people are missing about "Medical ninjutsu" and "CES" is the "delicate Chakra control" description.

Naruto eventually mastered chakra control, but nowhere has it ever been stated he can control chakra DELICATELY.
Same with Sasuke.

There is nothing delicate about Rasengan or Chidori, they are explosive and sharp respectively.

If ninja like kakashi or Sasuke were as "delicately refined" as say, Kabuto, they would use Chakra scalpel instead, not the very wasteful Chidori that sapped Sasukes strength after 2 uses, and kakashis after 4.

Chidori was incredibly inefficient until Sasuke proved it could be modified into other actually useful jutsu like senbon and spear, and even blade.

I am not saying current sasuke/Naruto could NOT master it, i am saying that the TYPE of chakra control is against their very natures (Sasuke is Precise like sakura, but not delicate, Naruto has mastered containing his chakra while manipulating shape, but never complex forms other than arms, and NEVER delicately).

They would have to practice A LOT to master a different type of chakra control.

[Sub]I just can't.

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[Imp]

I literally just said she is not unique to Tsunade besides having genjutsu prowess Tsunade lacks. Her choosing to replicate someone who was in a category of her own become the second person to enter it makes her unique. More unique than most of her generation. They are the only ones on that pedestal...

She is quite a unique shinobi when looking at them in a line up. There's two of her and several of others. \o/

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being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else.
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a unique person or thing.


I'm not comparing Tsunade's uniqueness with Sakura's, because the latter doesn't have any. Her repertoire is a carbon-copy. And her personality is commonplace. Bee has a personality unlike any other character in Narutoverse. Sasuke has several techniques unusable by anyone else in Narutoverse. These things make them unique. Sakura hasn't got any of that. Sure, she's made great advancements/progress in being able to replicate a repertoire of a legend like Tsunade, but at the end of the day that does not make her unique. Sakura is, in short, a strong, but ordinary character that happens to be a protagonist.[/Sub]​

 

[Joshutsu]

[Sub]unique
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adjective
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being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else.
"the situation was unique in British politics"
synonyms: distinctive, individual, special, especial, idiosyncratic, quirky, eccentric, isolated; More
nounarchaic
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a unique person or thing.


I'm not comparing Tsunade's uniqueness with Sakura's, because the latter doesn't have any. Her repertoire is a carbon-copy. And her personality is commonplace. Bee has a personality unlike any other character in Narutoverse. Sasuke has several techniques unusable by anyone else in Narutoverse. These things make them unique. Sakura hasn't got any of that. Sure, she's made great advancements/progress in being able to replicate a repertoire of a legend like Tsunade, but at the end of the day that does not make her unique. Sakura is, in short, a strong, but ordinary character that happens to be a protagonist.[/Sub]​

So Sakura is not unique in NV because she uses the techniques only one other person is known to possess. Ok, unique has several definitions.

Not being typical or unusual is one of them, if we want to pick and choose which ones we want. Sakura is not typical among NV and her abilities are unusual for another to have in NV. Seeing as only one person before her had them and she is infact a copy of said person. Which I never denied.

Me making claims to your definition of uniqueness would contradict me saying she is infact a copy of Tsunade. But their class is unique. She is a unique shinobi compared to many. That's the core of my argument from beginning to this very reply.

 

[Mori Jin]

Kurotsuchi has shown chakra enhanced strength when she punched Momoshiki (or was it Kinshiki?). Sasuke also did so in that movie, when he was using Momoshiki as a tennis ball with Naruto. Naruto did as well in the Last when he compressed/stored his chakra into his fist and one punched Toneri. It isn't something unique.

Tsunade already has monstrous physical strength, without the enhancement of her chakra. Sakura uses her chakra to get the same/similar results.

 

[Warlocks]

Sakuras CES = Tsunades CES, Sakura's could be considered better being that she doesn't have a 24/7 365 days of the year transforms jutsu active.

That's all, saying that Sakura's CES isn't as capable or her described as super strength isn't performed in accordance would be like me saying Lee's hidden lotus isn't the same as gais..

Sakuras CES = Tsunades CES=only sakura fan think that

 

[Made in Heaven]

Everyone uses CES.

[Sub]At this point, I'm struggling to find anything unique to her save her appearance. Her repertoire is almost a carbon-copy of Tsunade's. Her thirst for Sasuke's D? Nope, she shares that with Karin. Uselessness? We have a bunch of characters for that aspect. Maybe the fact that nothing is unique about her is actually what is unique about her? Damn, that Kishi.[/Sub]​

Sakura is just a poor man's Tsunade.

Sakuras CES = Tsunades CES, Sakura's could be considered better being that she doesn't have a 24/7 365 days of the year transforms jutsu active.

That's all, saying that Sakura's CES isn't as capable or her described as super strength isn't performed in accordance would be like me saying Lee's hidden lotus isn't the same as gais..

Maybe if we're talking about Tsuande as an old hag in Part 2/Part 3, but Hashirama compares teen Sakura with a toddler Tsuande in strength :lol

 

[Team7monaa]

[Sub]At this point, I'm struggling to find anything unique to her save her appearance. Her repertoire is almost a carbon-copy of Tsunade's. Her thirst for Sasuke's D? Nope, she shares that with Karin. Uselessness? We have a bunch of characters for that aspect. Maybe the fact that nothing is unique about her is actually what is unique about her? Damn, that Kishi.[/Sub]​

Yes, just like every Uchiha, Hyuuga, akimichi and Uzumaki have a near identical moveset and nobody is complaining. Also it is really bad for a typical girl to have a moveset that resembles a senju + uzumaki descendant???? Yep, she shares her love. Uselessness? Yet, she saved the protagonists several times and helped seal Kaguya, learn what useless means. Damn, you are stupid.


OT: nope, don’t even try it, if CES wasn’t so unique why have we not seen any characters bar top tier replicate such destruction with their single strike? It requires advanced chakra control and high levels of intelligence, which not everyone has.

 

[Melanin]

Sakuras CES = Tsunades CES=only sakura fan think that

No a lot of other people think it too, the only people who object to Sakuras CC not being above Tsunades are delusional bias Hinata Faps who don't read the manga.

FYI: Sakura has full control of all of her reserves while Tsunade uses part of hers to keep herself looking young, which means her CES has more chakra.

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Take this L please.

Everyone uses CES.

Lmao! Just like Kabuto is the head medic at the leaf hospital right? Can everyone do this?

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This?

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How many characters (everyone) can break a Susanoo using CES? Everyone right?

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Everyone can do this right?

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Lol but then again you think Hinata can fly..

Sakura is just a younger and more efficeny Tsunade

Fixed!

As far as the rest goes, you just trolling and I won't oblige. Sakura surpassed Tsunade entirely and has proven to be just as capable.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Can everyone do this?

Where did I say anyone can do that? I said every one uses chakra to enhance their strength, hence CEs. Honestly, can you stop being so insecure for even one second and read posts properly? :lol

Yes, just like every Uchiha

Not even.

Hyuuga, akimichi

Side characters, and both clans have 2 prominent reps at best.

and Uzumaki

Naruto, Karin, Nagato, and Kushina are anything but similar.

have a near identical moveset and nobody is complaining.

Because even then, their move sets are at least interesting and varied, while Sakura's is literally nothing but cliche "Super strength". Not to mention Sakura has more screen time to bore us than them.

Also it is really bad for a typical girl to have a moveset that resembles a senju + uzumaki descendant????

Considering Tsunade's moves have no actual connection to her being a Senju/Uzumaki descendant, yeah.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I agree CES is nothing special. Different characters have used at one point or the other but the only difference between them and Tsunade is that while other characters do not use it all the time CES is a part of Tsunade's taijutsu fighting style.

 

[Team7monaa]

Not even.

Literally even.

Side characters, and both clans have 2 prominent reps at best.

What do you expect from a mediocrely written MC? You even know that so stop being so inclined to ask questions..

Naruto, Karin, Nagato, and Kushina are anything but similar.

Amazing life force, strong chakra, the females share the Uzumaki chains. The only reason Naruto and Nagano differ is because one has rinnegan and the other has a jinchuriki.

Because even then, their move sets are at least interesting and varied, while Sakura's is literally nothing but cliche "Super strength". Not to mention Sakura has more screen time to bore us than them.

Sakura is a medical ninja so being on the offensive isn’t even her role. You can say bore all you like but nobody was complaining when Tsunade & 5 Kage vs Madara and Sakura vs Shin because theses were respectively epic fights.

Considering Tsunade's moves have no actual connection to her being a Senju/Uzumaki descendant, yeah.

Yeah, ok then that’s why Mito Uzumaki has the Byakugō seal and Madara likened her regeneration to Hashirama’s without the need to weave signs.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Literally even.

A clan whose eye powers vary between users from Chakra Warriors to Black Flames to Hellish Illusions somehow still has members who all share the same powers. :lol

And that's ignoring Sasuke's lightening/Kenjutsu, Itachi's fire/shurikenjutsu, and Obito's wood style/Rennigan. The Uchiha members are anything but clones of each other. Even if they share many powers between each other, their movesets are in no way similar enough to be called clones.

What do you expect from a mediocrely written MC?

Well that certainly is putting it lightly, isn't it?

You even know that so stop being so inclined to ask questions..

So why are you trying to defend Sakura by comparing her to side characters?

Amazing life force, strong chakra, the females share the Uzumaki chains.

The first point has nothing to do with movesets, the second is apart of all top tier characters, and the third isn't even true.

The only reason Naruto and Nagano differ is because one has rinnegan and the other has a jinchuriki.

So? It still shows not every Uzumaki is the same like you claimed.

Sakura is a medical ninja so being on the offensive isn’t even her role.

This is a battle manga and yet the heroine has a supplementary role?

You can say bore all you like but nobody was complaining when Tsunade & 5 Kage vs Madara

Right, with 6 other characters alongside Tsunade all who have better movesets than her

and Sakura vs Shin because theses were respectively epic fights.

Good animation will do that to a mediocre, bland moveset.

Yeah, ok then that’s why Mito Uzumaki has the Byakugō seal

Tsunade made the seal, Mito's is just a mark until said otherwise.

and Madara likened her regeneration to Hashirama’s without the need to weave signs.

Because both are regeneration powers that don't use hand signs :lol Again, Tsuande made it in her 30s, and she is neither Senju or Uzumaki, she is a descendant.

 

[Imp]

Yes, just like every Uchiha, Hyuuga, akimichi and Uzumaki have a near identical moveset and nobody is complaining. Also it is really bad for a typical girl to have a moveset that resembles a senju + uzumaki descendant???? Yep, she shares her love. Uselessness? Yet, she saved the protagonists several times and helped seal Kaguya, learn what useless means. Damn, you are stupid.


OT: nope, don’t even try it, if CES wasn’t so unique why have we not seen any characters bar top tier replicate such destruction with their single strike? It requires advanced chakra control and high levels of intelligence, which not everyone has.

[Sub]Checks avatar and sig. Lel, I'mma let Lady Byakugan handle this.[/Sub]​

 

[Melanin]

Where did I say anyone can do that? I said every one uses chakra to enhance their strength, hence CEs. Honestly, can you stop being so insecure for even one second and read posts properly?

No everyone doesn't enhance their strength using chakra or performs chakra enhance strength. How about you and me both go to the same place to learn too read properly. Also stop the insecure sh!t, a person who's made such idiotic comments like Kabuto being running the Leafs hospital can only make me laugh not insecure.

 

[Made in Heaven]

No everyone doesn't enhance their strength using chakra

Lee using extra Chakra from Gates to ragdoll Gaara = Chakra enhanced strength.
Naruto using extra Chakra from Kurama to send Toneri halfway across the moon = Chakra enhanced strength.
Ay using Lightening Armor to defeat Sasuke = Chakra enhanced strength.
Hinata using Gentle Fist to send a Juubi Clone 2 times her size flying = Chakra enhanced strength.
Kurotsuchi sending the massive Kinshiki flying = Chakra enhanced strength
Han's/Naruto's Boil Style techniques = Chakra enhanced strength
Sage Mode = Chakra enhanced strength

Literally any usage of Chakra to enhance one's strength counts as CES. :lol