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lmao,


mitsuki is stronger then boruto, but boruto is slowly catching up. if you watched todays episode you would see that mitsuki doesnt even know he has sagemode yet or he just doesn't know how to use it .

mitsuki> boruto >sarada if were all just being honest, not by much though.




But if we go by manga then boruto is by far the strongest in the new gen

He does know, he unlocked it before he ever even came to konoha pre anime. He's keeping it on the low, I would assume because he has faith in his comrads, especially Boruto.
 

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This. Naruto was about to use the Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu (lawl)
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However, I guess it would important to note that Boruto in Chapter 16 (I think?) also tricked his dad into a clone attack, whereas the goal was getting around him.

While Naruto is the number one unpredictable ninja, his son beats him with shadow clone versatility with less. lol

Hm but ain't that a kage bunshin too lol?
 

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Hm but ain't that a kage bunshin too lol?
If you mean Naruto, he wasn't using a Kage Bunshin - yet.

I know. I mean, she didn't seem like she counted how many she destroyed cause she'd have been aware that there were still TWO Boruto's instead of ONE. That's my prob. Sarada somehow forgot she didn't destroy all the clones. Hence reaching for the hand-shake as if they had tied.
It's probably the case she wasn't aware of his limit, or like clones, it's hard to keep up since they weren't all in the same general area.



Sounds plausable when you put it diplomatically but Sakura was a Genjutsu-type but she still needed prior knowledge, and being taught how it's actually done, the hand-sign included.
I don't remember Sakura needing to be taught how to break out of a Genjutsu, rather she needed to be taught not to let her mind cloud her judgement in regards to thinking she saw Sasuke underground hurt. In regards to Genjutsu knowledge:

Minato hasn't shown (on screen) breaking out of Genjutsu. Does that mean he doesn't know how?
Hashirama too.
Tobirama.
Hiruzen.
Tsunade.

(Not 100% on some of some of these bar Hashirama)

There are countless 'strong' characters we would classify as talented, but haven't been shown countering Genjutsu itself since they haven't fought against it. But that doesn't mean they would get taken out under the context, unless the Genjutsu was something inescapable like Tsukuyomi, or if the person using such said Genjutsu was a master of it.

Then it would be questionable. I don't really see how people can make the argument that one character doesn't know something, whereas it isn't stated he/she doesn't know (or does know) but we can go around believing the same thing for everyone else.

Although I'm not comparing Boruto to any Hokage-level characters, intelligence wise, he's not lacking in any concerned area. I just find hard to believe Boruto who grasped three natures by Genin rank wouldn't have a basic understanding of how a Genjutsu works. That just seems retarded IMO.

He doesn't know anything about Genjutsu - Zero. So no, I'll put it way past him, I'm sorry.
I don't see any proof to Boruto not knowing anything about Genjutsu, so I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Especially in context of how much Boruto knows about Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Kenjutsu at the climax of the Academy. It seems silly to think that no one brushed on the topic of illusions.

And Buntan? She's a Genin, and she didn't even what hit her. Clearly, there's levels here. And if a Genin can't just release the Genjutsu (which she can't even tell if she's in one) then I see no way Boruto can.
Buntan got hit with a Genjutsu when both her and Sarada went hand to hand, and prior when Sarada tried to Genjutsu her, Buntan was immediately aware and stepped back.

But this all depends on how Sarada uses it. Whether it's subtle or she goes obvious about it. Though I think she'll go subtle. Boruto could think he beat her after a long, relentless fight, then Sarada simply ends it when Boruto thinks he's garnered a victory.
Exactly why I think it's impossible. For the Genjutsu to work, as shown in the Anime only, Sarada was only capable of utilizing it to its maximum after a successful twice try, after coming into direct contact through eye-lock (whereas their bodies where right in front of each other both times the Genjutsu was utilized mind you). Whereas Boruto's combinations with shadow clones would make this tricky for her, as she would never know which Boruto is the right Boruto, and she would just lose this bout. As even Naruto has trouble finding out sometimes.

Ultimately the fight wouldn't end on simplicitcs IMO. I think that Gale Palm would edge him out slightly, especially in contrast to Sarada's known techniques because Lightning Only (And Wind > Lightning). That speed too.
 
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He does know, he unlocked it before he ever even came to konoha pre anime. He's keeping it on the low, I would assume because he has faith in his comrads, especially Boruto.

He only unlocked it out of rage though, so thats not really knowing how to use it, just how naruto always used karama power out of rage but he never really knew how to use it till war arc.
 

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If you mean Naruto, he wasn't using a Kage Bunshin - yet.


It's probably the case she wasn't aware of his limit, or like clones, it's hard to keep up since they weren't all in the same general area.




I don't remember Sakura needing to be taught how to break out of a Genjutsu, rather she needed to be taught not to let her mind cloud her judgement in regards to thinking she saw Sasuke underground hurt. In regards to Genjutsu knowledge:

Minato hasn't shown (on screen) breaking out of Genjutsu. Does that mean he doesn't know how?
Hashirama too.
Tobirama.
Hiruzen.
Tsunade.

(Not 100% on some of some of these bar Hashirama)

There are countless 'strong' characters we would classify as talented, but haven't been shown countering Genjutsu itself since they haven't fought against it. But that doesn't mean they would get taken out under the context, unless the Genjutsu was something inescapable like Tsukuyomi, or if the person using such said Genjutsu was a master of it.

Then it would be questionable. I don't really see how people can make the argument that one character doesn't know something, whereas it isn't stated he/she doesn't know (or does know) but we can go around believing the same thing for everyone else.

Although I'm not comparing Boruto to any Hokage-level characters, intelligence wise, he's not lacking in any concerned area. I just find hard to believe Boruto who grasped three natures by Genin rank wouldn't have a basic understanding of how a Genjutsu works. That just seems retarded IMO.


I don't see any proof to Boruto not knowing anything about Genjutsu, so I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Especially in context of how much Boruto knows about Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Kenjutsu at the climax of the Academy. It seems silly to think that no one brushed on the topic of illusions.


Buntan got hit with a Genjutsu when both her and Sarada went hand to hand, and prior when Sarada tried to Genjutsu her, Buntan was immediately aware and stepped back.


Exactly why I think it's impossible. For the Genjutsu to work, as shown in the Anime only, Sarada was only capable of utilizing it to its maximum after a successful twice try, after coming into direct contact through eye-lock (whereas their bodies where right in front of each other both times the Genjutsu was utilized mind you). Whereas Boruto's combinations with shadow clones would make this tricky for her, as she would never know which Boruto is the right Boruto, and she would just lose this bout. As even Naruto has trouble finding out sometimes.

Ultimately the fight wouldn't end on simplicitcs IMO. I think that Gale Palm would edge him out slightly, especially in contrast to Sarada's known techniques because Lightning Only (And Wind > Lightning). That speed too.

Meant Naruto since i don't remember that scan anymore lol. Thought that was a kage bunshin.
 

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Meant Naruto since i don't remember that scan anymore lol. Thought that was a kage bunshin.
Oh. Yeah that wasn't a Kage Bunshin.

If Naruto ever used shadow clones on his son.... well.

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Mitsuki>>Boruto>Sarada.
 

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He doesn't know anything about Genjutsu - Zero. So no, I'll put it way past him, I'm sorry.

Well, there's the fact that you're talking about a character that constantly fights using his Shadow Clones, and clones . It isn't helpful the fact that, by normal means, if the user gets hit .
 

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It's probably the case she wasn't aware of his limit, or like clones, it's hard to keep up since they weren't all in the same general area.
Then I can't really consider it out-smarting. Sarada just didn't realize the numbers she was facing, and thought she'd won cause Boruto convinced her they had tied. Other-wise, she wouldn't let her guard down in a serious fight.



I don't remember Sakura needing to be taught how to break out of a Genjutsu, rather she needed to be taught not to let her mind cloud her judgement in regards to thinking she saw Sasuke underground hurt. In regards to Genjutsu knowledge:

Minato hasn't shown (on screen) breaking out of Genjutsu. Does that mean he doesn't know how?
Hashirama too.
Tobirama.
Hiruzen.
Tsunade.

(Not 100% on some of some of these bar Hashirama)

There are countless 'strong' characters we would classify as talented, but haven't been shown countering Genjutsu itself since they haven't fought against it. But that doesn't mean they would get taken out under the context, unless the Genjutsu was something inescapable like Tsukuyomi, or if the person using such said Genjutsu was a master of it.

Then it would be questionable. I don't really see how people can make the argument that one character doesn't know something, whereas it isn't stated he/she doesn't know (or does know) but we can go around believing the same thing for everyone else.

Although I'm not comparing Boruto to any Hokage-level characters, intelligence wise, he's not lacking in any concerned area. I just find hard to believe Boruto who grasped three natures by Genin rank wouldn't have a basic understanding of how a Genjutsu works. That just seems retarded IMO.
I don't remember either cause I never read Naruto Manga. I do remember though that Sakura used a hand-sign to break out of some ambient Genjutsu even Kabuto couldn't release, if I remember correctly. It was the first Genjutsu they encountered though. Even Sasuke, the genius in the group with his 1T Sharingan couldn't do beyond detecting it. Sasuke's CC at that point had improved to the point it increased his speed, so that speaks volumes in that regard. Hence we can assume it requires not just talent and CC, but the desired state of mind, something Boruto needs to learn first. I remember that Genjutsu btw, but above just the state of mind, there's also the aforementioned, and they tie in together in order to break a Genjutsu successfully. A Doujutsu-based one though should be a lot more different though.

As for those Kage's, how are they relevant? They explain nothing to how a mere Academy student could have the knowledge or skill to break a 1T Sharingan Genjutsu, especially one powerful enough to catch a full-fledged Genin.

It's not his forte, it shouldn't be that hard to grasp. Sasuke also had the same weakness before. He had poor Genjutsu skills, and for most of his Genin career, he was weak in it, up until early pt.2....So it took him all those years to finally hone it to a decent level, even though he had Sharingan for an extensive amount of time. It shouldn't be far-fetched Boruto is the same as Sasuke in this regard. Both have no affinity for Yin release, and don't find Genjutsu all that useful to them.
I don't see any proof to Boruto not knowing anything about Genjutsu, so I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Especially in context of how much Boruto knows about Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Kenjutsu at the climax of the Academy. It seems silly to think that no one brushed on the topic of illusions.
It's not his forte. You shouldn't worry about it though. He'll learn about Genjutsu in due time. :scorps:

Unless the Curriculum is more advanced and Academy students are taught Genjutsu dispelling at that stage, I'll assume he hasn't gotten that skill yet.
Buntan got hit with a Genjutsu when both her and Sarada went hand to hand, and prior when Sarada tried to Genjutsu her, Buntan was immediately aware and stepped back.
That wasn't a subtle Genjutsu though. That was meant to scare her away. Sarada was being cornered there.

The other Genjutsu was the subtle one - which she will use against Boruto if she wants to pull a win.


Exactly why I think it's impossible. For the Genjutsu to work, as shown in the Anime only, Sarada was only capable of utilizing it to its maximum after a successful twice try, after coming into direct contact through eye-lock (whereas their bodies where right in front of each other both times the Genjutsu was utilized mind you). Whereas Boruto's combinations with shadow clones would make this tricky for her, as she would never know which Boruto is the right Boruto, and she would just lose this bout. As even Naruto has trouble finding out sometimes.

Ultimately the fight wouldn't end on simplicitcs IMO. I think that Gale Palm would edge him out slightly, especially in contrast to Sarada's known techniques because Lightning Only (And Wind > Lightning). That speed too.
I think it was only hard for her cause it was her first time using Genjutsu. The second time she did it pretty easily.

True, but partly, cause Sarada could use Genjutsu right off the bat. Before Boruto can create Shadow Clones. Or she uses it once Boruto's clones are all completely destroyed. Towards the end of the fight, essentially, when both are close to chakra depletion.

Seeing Sarada should have even more stamina now with improve Sharingan proficiency, and considering she's got better chakra reserves, I see them coming to that point.

Yeah, but highly doubt Sarada would just sit and watch. Shurikenjutsu + Raiton should handle Boruto at long-range.

Short range is dealt with CES, and at close range Boruto is vulnerable to Genjutsu.

None-the-less, I forfeit cause lol...I'm tired. Or I'll respond later on when I get time.
 
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He only unlocked it out of rage though, so thats not really knowing how to use it, just how naruto always used karama power out of rage but he never really knew how to use it till war arc.

That is true I guess we just have to wait till they show more about him to find out.
 

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Then I can't really consider it out-smarting. Sarada just didn't realize the numbers she was facing, and thought she'd won cause Boruto convinced her they had tied. Other-wise, she wouldn't let her guard down in a serious fight.
It's not anyone's fault if she wasn't counting after the technique came into place. Regardless of the context however, my point wasn't just the outsmarting bit. It was that she was fighting Boruto for a while, and never realized the one she was engaging in CQC was a clone instead of the original.

He's far adept in his Batman "disappearing" trick, sort to speak haha.



I don't remember either cause I never read Naruto Manga. I do remember though that Sakura used a hand-sign to break out of some ambient Genjutsu even Kabuto couldn't release, if I remember correctly. It was the first Genjutsu they encountered it though. Even Sasuke, the genius in the group with his 1T Sharingan couldn't do beyond detecting it. Sasuke's CC at that point had improved to the point it increased his speed, so that speaks volumes in that regard. Hence we can assume it requires not just talent and CC, but the desired state of mind, something Boruto needs to learn first. I remember that Genjutsu btw, but above just the state of mind, there's also the aforementioned, and they tie in together in order to for to break a Genjutsu successfully. A Doujutsu-based one though should be a lot more different though.
It's fine if you don't remember, it's not really that important. I'll break it down simply:

1. No one taught Sakura how to break out of Genjutsu, it was just simple Kai release to do so. What Sakura had trouble with in the beginning was separating her feeling for Sasuke, and not using correct judgement.

2. Sasuke was never placed in a Genjutsu in Part 1 when Naruto was stuck in the Chunin Examinations. He didn't have his Sharingan on either, and he had 2T at that time.

Since everything you stated was missing some context, I'm not going to touch upon your assumption based on your incorrect points.

It's not his forte, it shouldn't be that hard to grasp. Sasuke also had the same weakness before. He had poor Genjutsu skills, and for most of his Genin career, he was weak in it, up until early pt.2....So it took him all those years to finally hone it to a decent level, even though he had Sharingan for an extensive amount of time. It shouldn't be far-fetched Boruto is the same as Sasuke in this regard. Both have no affinity for Yin release, and don't find Genjutsu all that useful to them.
It's not his forte. You shouldn't worry about it though. He'll learn about Genjutsu in due time. :scorps:
1. Having a forte for something doesn't mean you don't have basic understanding in it. Boruto's forte isn't a lot of things, but he has enough understanding to do most if not a lot so far. Whether it be basic Shuriken Jutsu before the Movie, Kenjutsu to help Yagura strike down Shizuma, etc.

2. Sasuke never had a Genjutsu weakness outside of Tsukuyomi. Which isn't even really a point to begin with, because even Kakashi struggled with Tsukuyomi lol.


Unless the Curriculum is more advanced and Academy students are taught Genjutsu dispelling at that stage, I'll assume he hasn't gotten that skill yet.
That wasn't a subtle Genjutsu though. That was meant to scare her away. Sarada was being cornered there.
The curriculum appears to be more advanced though. Boruto's ninjutsu was apparently not on the curriculum yet, according to Anko, so it seems far fetched to believe that with the course of their studying, and outside resources, that a Prodigy of his nature wouldn't have the basic concepts of Kai.


The other Genjutsu was the subtle one - which she will use against Boruto if she wants to pull a win.
Which I stated she only utilized coming into literal direct contact with her eyes. I mean literally face to face (as in 1-3 feet away). Sarada tried to fight Boruto in CQC like this in the Hokage monument, but she was faced with the reality that she wasn't even fighting the real Boruto to begin with.

So I'm having a hard time understanding how a Genjutsu, which she's only been shown using against opponent who she's literally a foot away from, would work against a person whom she never knows is actually a real or a fake.

Do you understand where I'm coming from here?



I think it was only hard for her cause it was her first time using Genjutsu. The second time she did it pretty easily.
Your probably right.


True, but partly, cause Sarada could use Genjutsu right off the bat. Before Boruto can create the Shadow Clone Jutsu. Or she uses it once Boruto's clones are all completely destroyed. Towards the end of the fight, essentially, when both are close to chakra depletion.
She would have to turn the Sharingan on, get close to Boruto's face, and then cast the Genjutsu. As shown in the Anime, she could only use Genjutsu when in literal face-to-face contact with Buntan. Whereas Boruto could cast the shadow clones at the same time her eyes change, and then it would go right back to being the game of cat and mouse.


Yeah, but highly doubt Sarada would just sit and watch. Shurikenjutsu + Raiton should handle Boruto at long-range.
None of those ninjutsu techniques she utilized seem worth the trouble when he can simply just avoid them with Gale Palm.


Short range is dealt with CES, and at close range Boruto is vulnerable to Genjutsu.
Boruto is already faster than her, addition to Gale Palm which he utilized without a hand sign in today's episode mind you, and the only person who countered it was Shizuma who was considered to be top dog. I don't see Sarada having a counter to his speed - yet.

That's really the detrimental factor here. Gale Palm is pretty hard to counter, because he's shown capable of switching the direction of his movement to dodge techniques, and he moved so fast that no one countered him except Shizuma. Which includes Buntan, whom Sarada couldn't blitz.

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None-the-less, I forfeit cause lol...I'm tired. Or I'll respond later on when I get time.
Alright. I think I made a strong argument for this, Sarada solos but I think they portrayed Boruto slightly better in this Arc.

IMO though.
 
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For me, depend who you bias.
Sarada fan – sarada > boruto
Boruto fan – boruto > sarada
Both fan – boruto = sarada

And me
Mitsuki > boruto> sarada
 

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For me, depend who you bias.
Sarada fan – sarada > boruto
Boruto fan – boruto > sarada
Both fan – boruto = sarada

And me
Mitsuki > boruto> sarada

Well I would obviously respect the opinion of a Hinata/Boruto fan to be objective. Truthfully they are close enough that either could win if the plot demands it. Still in my opinion right now Sarada>Boruto.
 
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Well I would obviously respect the opinion of a Hinata/Boruto fan to be objective. Truthfully they are close enough that either could win if the plot demands it. Still in my opinion right now Sarada>Boruto.


yeah. everyone want win. i respect your opinion but for me boruto is better.
 
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