Can We Talk About How Terrible Kagura Was?

[FuriouslAngel]

kAGURA was trash and he ruined the arc for me.

I would of enjoyed this Arc a lot more if I didn't have to watch Mr. Flip Flop all day.

I wish Boruto would of just kicked his ass and told him to man up, but what-ever.

Don't even care about him being the future Mizukage either, he lacks balls even compared to Chojuro of all people.

The only thing noteworthy is his talent, but I'm sure he'll fade into the background in hype by the time Team Konohamaru end Part 1.

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Yeah he did

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I am aware of what Shizuma said but there's a difference between when one says "of one mind" and bloodlusted though :lol

 

[SeveN797]

I am aware of what Shizuma said but there's a difference between when one says "of one mind" and bloodlusted though :lol

I don't know if you watched the whole arc but the whole point of Kagura and this "being a Yagura's grandson" was that he would eventually lose control of himself and start killing. Just like he went for the kill during that flashback training. Hence Shiuzma was referring to this as "out of his mind". Kagura wouldn't be even talking and arguing with Bouruto during his fight if he was in that state there.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I don't know if you watched the whole arc but the whole point of Kagura and this "being a Yagura's grandson" was that he would eventually lose control of himself and start killing. Just like he went for the kill during that flashback training. Hence Shiuzma was referring to this as "out of his mind". Kagura wouldn't be even talking and arguing with Bouruto during his fight if he was in that state there.

I did watch the entire arc no matter how boring it was but again one of mind and bloodlusted do not mean the same. Not even close lol.

 

[SeveN797]

I did watch the entire arc no matter how boring it was but again one of mind and bloodlusted do not mean the same. Not even close lol.

I already explained what Shizuma meant by "out of his mind" but seems you didn't understand, i'll do it again.

In Kagura's example, yes it is. Bloodlusted = out of your mind = you don't listen to anyone, going straight for the kill etc. Just like Kagura wasn't controlling himself and was going to cut that dude during training if Shizuma didn't tank it. Shizuma's friends most likely didn't know about it, and Shizuma was the only one that witnessed Kagura in that state, hence the moment Kagura aimed his sword at him, he told his friends to leave because Kagura was in that state again. You're not going to deny that Kagura was fully bloodlusted during training flashblack are you? And Shizuma's words were reffering to indeed this bloodlusted state.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I already explained what Shizuma meant by "out of his mind" but seems you didn't understand, i'll do it again.

In Kagura's example, yes it is. Bloodlusted = out of your mind = you don't listen to anyone, going straight for the kill etc. Just like Kagura wasn't controlling himself and was going to cut that dude during training if Shizuma didn't tank it. Shizuma's friends most likely didn't know about it, and Shizuma was the only one that witnessed Kagura in that state, hence the moment Kagura aimed his sword at him, he told his friends to leave because Kagura was in that state again. You're not going to deny that Kagura was fully bloodlusted during training flashblack are you? And Shizuma's words were reffering to indeed this bloodlusted state.

I'll repeat myself again as well....
No matter what you say, one of mind and bloodlusted do not mean the same. And that's true in case of Kagura and Shizuma as well. Kagura wasn't recognized by Choujiro because of his bloodlust but his potential and talent. In fact Choujiro wished him to be he wielder of Hiramekarei which clearly shows how highly Choujiro must think of him. In fact the first episode of this arc started with Kagura hype and you're here telling me Shizuma only saw his bloodlust and went to sleep the rest of the time lol. I don't think so and hope that you get the point now.

 

[Umari Senju]

He was rather disappointing, he didn't actually do anything by himself. Furthmore, a ten year old had to help him.

I agree.

I did watch the entire arc no matter how boring it was but again one of mind and bloodlusted do not mean the same. Not even close lol.

Are you like trying to start a debate? In this case they are exactly the same thing. “Of a mind” = “Bloodlust Kagura”

What do you think he meant by “of a mind”?

 

[SeveN797]

I'll repeat myself again as well....
No matter what you say, one of mind and bloodlusted do not mean the same. And that's true in case of Kagura and Shizuma as well. Kagura wasn't recognized by Choujiro because of his bloodlust but his potential and talent. In fact Choujiro wished him to be he wielder of Hiramekarei which clearly shows how highly Choujiro must think of him. In fact the first episode of this arc started with Kagura hype and you're here telling me Shizuma only saw his bloodlust and went to sleep the rest of the time lol. I don't think so and hope that you get the point now.

Idk why you bring Choujiro since he's irrelevant here, by Shizuma's friends I meant those mist swordsmen which wanted to attack Kagura/Boruto and Shizuma told them to not do so, because he realized Kagura is in that state again(where he's supposedly stronger them all of them togehter). Anyways you want to keep denying Kagura's bloodlust? Fine, i'll make it even more simpler.

Kagura against Boruto was not in that "state" which makes him stronger than Shizuma and his buddies together. As noticed by Boruto, he fought unwanted, was still having doubts etc. I felt like clearing this up because some clowns in other threads are clamining that
Boruto > Kagura > Shizuma and his buddies combined.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I agree.


Are you like trying to start a debate? In this case they are exactly the same thing. “Of a mind” = “Bloodlust Kagura”

What do you think he meant by “of a mind”?

I've explained my opinion in my post previous to this one. I assume you haven't read it and suggest that you do.

Idk why you bring Choujiro since he's irrelevant here, by Shizuma's friends I meant those mist swordsmen which wanted to attack Kagura/Boruto and Shizuma told them to not do so, because he realized Kagura is in that state again(where he's supposedly stronger them all of them togehter). Anyways you want to keep denying Kagura's bloodlust? Fine, i'll make it even more simpler.

Kagura against Boruto was not in that "state" which makes him stronger than Shizuma and his buddies together. As noticed by Boruto, he fought unwanted, was still having doubts etc. I felt like clearing this up because some clowns in other threads are clamining that
Boruto > Kagura > Shizuma and his buddies combined.

I brought Choujiro in to prove that there is more to Kagura than his bloodlust, something people are in denial of to suit their ignorant arguments here. If Kagura was in blodlusted state then he would've let his sword do the talking instead of just talk and make a request. We're done here.

@Bold Well Boruto did beat Kagura who Shizuma believed was strong enough to beat all the rest of the swordsmen if he was one of mind(not bloodlusted) ofc. Though I believe Kagura became conflicted as the fight went on and Boruto gained superiority over him and eventually win. But even a Kagura in that state should be at least greater than at least 2 other swordsmen not including Shizuma ofc. Not to mention Boruto took him on with just a Kunai lol and later beat Shizuma as well with some help from Mitsuki ofc.
Anyway you should clear this up to those clowns you're talking about and in the thread they made those comments...

 

[SeveN797]

I've explained my opinion in my post previous to this one. I assume you haven't read it and suggest that you do.

I brought Choujiro in to prove that there is more to Kagura than his bloodlust, something people are in denial of to suit their ignorant arguments here. If Kagura was in blodlusted state then he would've let his sword do the talking instead of just talk and make a request. We're done here.

Yes he wasn't fully bloodlusted yet hence why Shizuma told his buddies to not attack and trigger him if they want to live.

@Bold Well Boruto did beat Kagura who Shizuma believed was strong enough to beat all the rest of the swordsmen if he was one of mind(not bloodlusted) ofc. Though I believe Kagura became conflicted as the fight went on and Boruto gained superiority over him and eventually win. But even a Kagura in that state should be at least greater than at least 2 other swordsmen not including Shizuma ofc. Not to mention Boruto took him on with just a Kunai lol and later beat Shizuma as well with some help from Mitsuki ofc.
Anyway you should clear this up to those clowns you're talking about and in the thread they made those comments...

We both know that's not true. I'd say Boruto rather managed to defend himself and stay alive against Kagura who wasn't fighting seriously, you remember his reaction when he saw blood on Boruto's shoulder right? Also he didn't even pick up his sword afterwards because Boruto was constantly trying to TNJ him, after that Shizuma interfered and stopped their fight.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Yes he wasn't fully bloodlusted yet hence why Shizuma told his buddies to not attack and trigger him if they want to live.

There's no such thing as fully bloodlusted lol. You either are bloodlusted or you're not.

We both know that's not true. I'd say Boruto rather managed to defend himself and stay alive against Kagura who wasn't fighting seriously, you remember his reaction when he saw blood on Boruto's shoulder right? Also he didn't even pick up his sword afterwards because Boruto was constantly trying to TNJ him, after that Shizuma interfered and stopped their fight.

Well Kagura did swing his sword at Boruto and Boruto had to dodge it. That's serious enough for me. Ofc as he fought on Boruto kept working on his mind which shook Kagura's resolve and he did react after seeing blood on Boruto's shoulder but did he pull back his sword? No and Boruto had to push him back. Besides Boruto had gained the upper hand once he separated Kagura from his sword.
You have to also take into consideration that Boruto wasn't fighting to kill Kagura either so they were both equally handicapped.

 

[SeveN797]

There's no such thing as fully bloodlusted lol. You either are bloodlusted or you're not.

Im pretty sure I saw it few times on this forum in VS section and somewhere else anyways, you know what im talking about so why you keep playing this words game? Shizuma made it clear enough. Kagura was in that "state" yet still restrained himself, but if attacked he would kill everyone.

Well Kagura did swing his sword at Boruto and Boruto had to dodge it. That's serious enough for me. Ofc as he fought on Boruto kept working on his mind which shook Kagura's resolve and he did react after seeing blood on Boruto's shoulder but did he pull back his sword? No and Boruto had to push him back. Besides Boruto had gained the upper hand once he separated Kagura from his sword.
You have to also take into consideration that Boruto wasn't fighting to kill Kagura either so they were both equally handicapped.

Sure he didn't pull his sword back, but the reaction itself was enough to give Boruto a breath and allow to counter. Those little details im talking about. Bloodlusted Kagura would keep pushing and cut off his shoulder eventually.

Anyways my point is that neither of them beat each other since the fight was interrupted, simple as that. Boruto did a good job of defeding himself and coutering Kagura's attacks but that's how far it goes, I wouldn't say he won.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Im pretty sure I saw it few times on this forum in VS section and somewhere else anyways, you know what im talking about so why you keep playing this words game? Shizuma made it clear enough. Kagura was in that "state" yet still restrained himself, but if attacked he would kill everyone.

Lol, I am not playing any word game.
Anyway what did Shizuma cleared other than saying if he was one of mind. And I am sure you and I both know it certainly doesn't mean bloodlusted.
If anything you're the one playing a word game trying to deny Boruto's feats.

Sure he didn't pull his sword back, but the reaction itself was enough to give Boruto a breath and allow to counter. Those little details im talking about. Bloodlusted Kagura would keep pushing and cut off his shoulder eventually.

How does that reaction even help when he didn't even pull back his sword. Nope it didn't help at all.
@Bold So you do know what bloodlusted mean :lol but I don't think he'd have managed to cut off his shoulder.

Anyways my point is that neither of them beat each other since the fight was interrupted, simple as that. Boruto did a good job of defeding himself and coutering Kagura's attacks but that's how far it goes, I wouldn't say he won.

Boruto managed to separate Kagura from his sword which means had Shizuma not interfered and the fight continued then Boruto would've had an upper hand. Not to mention he neutralized Kagura's mind as well. He worked on both front while trying not to kill and still managed to come on top just like Naruto during VoTE 2. So I don't care what you say.

 

[Retsu]

He sucks ass. Literally that's all he does the entire arc. Ppl actually said this filler arc is better than the land of waves arc. Gotta to be the most idiotic statement ever.

 

[SeveN797]

Lol, I am not playing any word game.
Anyway what did Shizuma cleared other than saying if he was one of mind. And I am sure you and I both know it certainly doesn't mean bloodlusted.
If anything you're the one playing a word game trying to deny Boruto's feats.
.

Yes it does, hence why he explained it to his buddies because they were not with him back on that training, and couldn't possibly know of what Kagura is capable of when he's in that state. Shizuma told them to not push it further if they want to live. implying that Kagura was already in that state, but restraining himself since he didn't want to kill anyone, but if attacked he would kill them all, what the fk you don't understand srsly.

How does that reaction even help when he didn't even pull back his sword. Nope it didn't help at all.
@Bold So you do know what bloodlusted mean :lol but I don't think he'd have managed to cut off his shoulder.

Oh please do I really need to explain it? So you're saying Boruto without ninjutsu and only with his physical strength and 2 kunais overpowered Kagura and Hiramekarei ? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. The reaction itself obviously implies that Kagura either started to push weaker or stopped pushing Boruto down completely.

Boruto managed to separate Kagura from his sword which means had Shizuma not interfered and the fight continued then Boruto would've had an upper hand. Not to mention he neutralized Kagura's mind as well. He worked on both front while trying not to kill and still managed to come on top just like Naruto during VoTE 2. So I don't care what you say.

Sure he did, but only because Kagura allowed him to do so, already explained it. Hence even the fact that he dropped his sword instead of holding it already implies that he was in big shock.

 

[BlazeRelease]

WTF people call what Boruto did a "victory", but Sarada "Tied" with Buntan??????

Boruto and Kagura did not finish the fight. there was no victor. Seared Defeated Buntan and incapacitated her. she was injured to the point of unconsciousness, and requires medical attention. Sarada just needs rest. That is a win.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Yes it does, hence why he explained it to his buddies because they were not with him back on that training, and couldn't possibly know of what Kagura is capable of when he's in that state. Shizuma told them to not push it further if they want to live. implying that Kagura was already in that state, but restraining himself since he didn't want to kill anyone, but if attacked he would kill them all, what the fk you don't understand srsly.

@Bold What did he explain?
As I said if Kagura were truly bloodlusted then he won't be talking. The guy was literally scared to draw his sword before and here we see him not only wielding the Hiramekarei but also negotiating with Shizuma to let Boruto go. I don't get how people could misunderstand that as bloodlust smh.

Oh please do I really need to explain it? So you're saying Boruto without ninjutsu and only with his physical strength and 2 kunais overpowered Kagura and Hiramekarei ? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. The reaction itself obviously implies that Kagura either started to push weaker or stopped pushing Boruto down completely.

There's nothing to explain. Boruto did push him back with just kunai and I wouldn't be surprised considering he's Naruto's son. The reaction means nothing if Kagura didn't pull back the sword and kept pressuring Boruto. And Kagura didn't stop pushing as evident from the way Boruto had to exert more force to push Kagura back.

Sure he did, but only because Kagura allowed him to do so, already explained it. Hence even the fact that he dropped his sword instead of holding it already implies that he was in big shock.

...no.
Boruto fought him on par and used his brain to gain the upper hand and Kagura didn't drop his sword on his own but Boruto made him drop it.

 

[SeveN797]

@Bold What did he explain?
As I said if Kagura were truly bloodlusted then he won't be talking. The guy was literally scared to draw his sword before and here we see him not only wielding the Hiramekarei but also negotiating with Shizuma to let Boruto go. I don't get how people could misunderstand that as bloodlust smh.



There's nothing to explain. Boruto did push him back with just kunai and I wouldn't be surprised considering he's Naruto's son. The reaction means nothing if Kagura didn't pull back the sword and kept pressuring Boruto. And Kagura didn't stop pushing as evident from the way Boruto had to exert more force to push Kagura back.



...no.
Boruto fought him on par and used his brain to gain the upper hand and Kagura didn't drop his sword on his own but Boruto made him drop it.

You're in such big denial there's no point arguing with you any further, not this time. Besides you're the only one to believe what you say, so I just let that sink in.

 

[FuriouslAngel]

As the swordsman of the mist his pretty much fodder

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You're in such big denial there's no point arguing with you any further, not this time. Besides you're the only one to believe what you say, so I just let that sink in.

Concession accepted....