[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 883 Discussion and 884 Predictions

[ArabianLuffy]

Please do explain in what way is he a fodder?

I said apparently he is. Not he is. A lot of the talk in this thread about Katakuri's sugar intake. If that's the case, then he is and again "a hard to fall type of fodder". He's just a type like him and Doffy above normal fodders. Hard Fodders that take time to fall. Like it or not. Luffy will defeat him. The problem is, is it an acceptable defeat after all the hype that Katakuri deserved? This fight should exceeds our expectations, but expect the "asspull" word to come after Katakuri's defeat. Why? Probably Oda won't deliver that awesome sauce we liked since Lucci.

 

[Olorin]

I said apparently he is. Not he is. A lot of the talk in this thread about Katakuri's sugar intake. If that's the case, then he is and again "a hard to fall type of fodder". He's just a type like him and Doffy above normal fodders. Hard Fodders that take time to fall. Like it or not. Luffy will defeat him. The problem is, is it an acceptable defeat after all the hype that Katakuri deserved? This fight should exceeds our expectations, but expect the "asspull" word to come after Katakuri's defeat. Why? Probably Oda won't deliver that awesome sauce we liked since Lucci.

ok than explain why he is apparently a fodder? on second thought do u even know what fodder is? and what exactly is deserved hype? do fans decide how much hype a character should recieve? because it's the fanbase who overhyped the living sh?? out of katakuri because they liked him. why shouldnt luffy deafeat him in a hard battle? tbh ill be more disappoited if he loses this far down th eline and with the wano arc coming up

ppl who will think its a total asspull really should blame themselves, ''asspulls'', ''calling bs'' day and night, not knowing what character devel and progression are, wanting fights all day and than bit??ing that that same series has no world building or no good characters, ... that's what most of the anime community has become. ppl like bit??ing and complaining so much they literally read hundreds of chapters of a series they dislike, like fxmpl Fairy Tail, just so they can bi??h and moan about it, how ****ed up is that? im very certain if Luffy v Lucci happened now when all the fans are reading real time, week by week, ppl would call bs and scream asspull because Luffy beat Lucci

ppl bi??cb about the current arc, did everyone forget hat this is pretty much quintesseantial OP? just like oh so many arcs in part 1. OP s going down the drain? how can ppl say that while simultaneously complaining about big parts of east blue, thriller bark, foxxi, skypiea, ...? I do't get that

if there is something really wrong than say it, i for example really thought last weeks Brulee hyping up Doggo was really sh?t and I said I disliked it, there are other major flaws in OP and ofc some holes in a god damn 20 year old series, its impossible not to have any. But this isn't one, wanna hear one? I think Oda's biggest mistake to date is using up Crocodile so fast, how about Haki and how inconsistent it is pre to post TS and this week made it worse, why is no one talking abut that? stop bi??ching about the fact hata Luffy will prob win and write an elaborate post for that, an actual real inconsistency

 

[Dannie]

Wow, so much wrong.

First off, It's not the fanbases fault, it's Oda's fault.

>He gave this man a 1 billion bounty
>Hyped up and shown his observation haki allowing him to see a few seconds before an event happens, which no other character in the series has ever shown to have
>Displayed that he is a paramecia with logia attributes
>Was confirmed to be the strongest of the 3 sweet commanders
>Can mimic pretty much all of Luffy's attacks bar gear 4
If you are expecting the fanbase to treat this man like he is a pushover or not a huge threat then that is just your own inability to not pay attention to other characters while fanboying for Luffy.

Second, no one is saying that Luffy shouldn't defeat Katakuri in a hard battle, but even this makes absolutely no sense, because as things have been these past 3-4 chapters, this was not a hard battle for Katakuri. Katakuri for the most part has just been laid back not even using his full power.

Mfw people expects Katakuri to be some OP strong warrior only because Oda has hyped and shown him to be this, and in the past several chapters Luffy has not even been able to touch Katakuri, but for some reason people want to act surprised that people are complaining NOW because Luffy "figured" out a way to get a kick in on Katakuri, and how Oda just so willingly decided to have Katakuri take a break , go inside his house assuming that Luffy wasn't going to be able to escape out of his Mochi with G4, and then have an opening when he was pretty much punking Luffy with practically no weaknesses for most of this fight?

Lmfao, okay people.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wow, so much wrong.

First off, It's not the fanbases fault, it's Oda's fault.

>He gave this man a 1 billion bounty
>Hyped up and shown his observation haki allowing him to see a few seconds before an event happens, which no other character in the series has ever shown to have
>Displayed that he is a paramecia with logia attributes
>Was confirmed to be the strongest of the 3 sweet commanders
>Can mimic pretty much all of Luffy's attacks bar gear 4
If you are expecting the fanbase to treat this man like he is a pushover or not a huge threat then that is just your own inability to not pay attention to other characters while fanboying for Luffy.

Second, no one is saying that Luffy shouldn't defeat Katakuri in a hard battle, but even this makes absolutely no sense, because as things have been these past 3-4 chapters, this was not a hard battle for Katakuri. Katakuri for the most part has just been laid back not even using his full power.

Mfw people expects Katakuri to be some OP strong warrior only because Oda has hyped and shown him to be this, and in the past several chapters Luffy has not even been able to touch Katakuri, but for some reason people want to act surprised that people are complaining NOW because Luffy "figured" out a way to get a kick in on Katakuri, and how Oda just so willingly decided to have Katakuri take a break , go inside his house assuming that Luffy wasn't going to be able to escape out of his Mochi with G4, and then have an opening when he was pretty much punking Luffy with practically no weaknesses for most of this fight?

Lmfao, okay people.

And all of this is suddenly false hype because he has fangs and a weakness. lmfaooo

 

[Dannie]

And all of this is suddenly false hype because he has fangs and a weakness. lmfaooo

Who said this?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Who said this?

The main complaints around Katakuri's hype being "false" is that Luffy kicked him and this goofy side. Both of which make no sense because:

1. all of the hype is still there with the appearance/goofy personality trait

2. Luffy was able to strike Katakuri because of a weakness. Congrats, that's what a weakness means. It's something that Katakuri can't control or hide regardless of how strong he is. That's what makes it a weakness.

The fact of the matter is, nothing Oda showed us about Katakuri is contradicted by him having a weakness that Luffy can exploit. If Luffy was able to hit Katakuri because he was just good enough to, that would be contradictory because he suddenly got better for nothing. Katakuri also didn't get worse for nothing. It's a hole that Luffy noticed, and he's now targeting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

The only people that have a problem with this are the same people who take bounties too seriously(even after JACK reprimands his underlings for touting his bounty and Perospero got his entire arm blown off for overestimating himself due to bounty) and hype Katakuri up for an ability that was hyped as being especially dangerous in a specific situation, and because he looks like a Mad Max villain. Conveniently ignoring that Katakuri has also failed numerous times throughout this arc long before he even got to the Sunny. What you're mad about is that you deluded yourself about him, and the story wound up contradicting that.

You'd think this wouldn't be rocket science.

 

[Dannie]

2. Luffy was able to strike Katakuri because of a weakness. Congrats, that's what a weakness means. It's something that Katakuri can't control or hide regardless of how strong he is. That's what makes it a weakness.

The fact of the matter is, nothing Oda showed us about Katakuri is contradicted by him having a weakness that Luffy can exploit. If Luffy was able to hit Katakuri because he was just good enough to, that would be contradictory because he suddenly got better for nothing. Katakuri also didn't get worse for nothing. It's a hole that Luffy noticed, and he's now targeting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Never said I had a problem with Luffy finding a weakness. Luffy defeating Katakuri in the process altogether because he found a weakness would be a problem. As it stands, Luffy is slower and completely outmatched against Katakuri and we have seen this time and time again. Even looking at the last page on this chapter, Katakuri was shown to just block a Kong Gun, while being pushed back but I doubt he is even damaged. If Luffy found a weakness then he should use this opportunity to use his strongest attack to stall Katakuri and then try to escape out of the mirror world.

Luffy didn't even defeat Cracker by himself and his G4 was pretty much useless on his own, but for some reason people think it's reasonable for Luffy to defeat a stronger commander by himself just because he found a weakness?

At the very most, Luffy will use this opportunity to land a hit with King Kong Gun and then try to escape out of the mirror world, because if Luffy actually ended up defeating Katakuri here by himself while needing the assistance of Nami against Cracker then we need to start questioning the powerscaling of this verse.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Never said I had a problem with Luffy finding a weakness. Luffy defeating Katakuri in the process altogether because he found a weakness would be a problem.

No it's not. That's what the **** a weakness is lmfao

As it stands, Luffy is slower and completely outmatched against Katakuri

As it stands, Katakuri's weakness changes the story entirely. Luffy noting that his kick going through due Katakuri being unable to dodge directly establishes that the weakness is what allowed Katakuri to capitalize in a way that caused Luffy to appear slower. As Caliburn said, you don't know what the weakness and ability Luffy was referring to it. You're gonna look mad foolish if/when it's revealed Kata was able to tag Luffy because of his foresight and his foresight is failing due to a weakness.

and we have seen this time and time again. Even looking at the last page on this chapter, Katakuri was shown to just block a Kong Gun, while being pushed back but I doubt he is even damaged.

We literally have to wait for the next chapter to see what the result of the clash will be, but sure, jump the gun and get mad about it.

Luffy didn't even defeat Cracker by himself and his G4 was pretty much useless on his own,

Like I said before, Katakuri's weakness changes the story completely. Luffy defeating Katakuri here because he was able to exploit a weakness doesn't contradict him being beaten by Cracker, it means that in the situation with Cracker, there was no equivalent weakness to exploit.

but for some reason people think it's reasonable for Luffy to defeat a stronger commander by himself just because he found a weakness?

That's a weakness is, Mr. LED.

At the very most, Luffy will use this opportunity to land a hit with King Kong Gun and then try to escape out of the mirror world, because if Luffy actually ended up defeating Katakuri here by himself while needing the assistance of Nami against Cracker then we need to start questioning the powerscaling of this verse.

You need to start questioning your ability to comprehend what a weakness is.

 

[Dannie]

No it's not. That's what the **** a weakness is lmfao


As it stands, Katakuri's weakness changes the story entirely. Luffy noting that his kick going through due Katakuri being unable to dodge directly establishes that the weakness is what allowed Katakuri to capitalize in a way that caused Luffy to appear slower. As Caliburn said, you don't know what the weakness and ability Luffy was referring to it. You're gonna look mad foolish if/when it's revealed Kata was able to tag Luffy because of his foresight and his foresight is failing due to a weakness.


We literally have to wait for the next chapter to see what the result of the clash will be, but sure, jump the gun and get mad about it.


Like I said before, Katakuri's weakness changes the story completely. Luffy defeating Katakuri here because he was able to exploit a weakness doesn't contradict him being beaten by Cracker, it means that in the situation with Cracker, there was no equivalent weakness to exploit.


That's a weakness is, Mr. LED.


You need to start questioning your ability to comprehend what a weakness is.

I see the point went right over your head but it's alright.

"Oh hey, I'm getting completely outclassed and stomped by my opponent and he's better than me in every possible way, so let me pull up the good old boring rundown cliche and find one small weakness and win despite this character being much stronger than a character that I couldn't even defeat by myself in my strongest form!"

This is nothing more than fans having shit expectations for a story and accepting everything the author does because they know it goes and suits their wishes.

It's funny how most of the people who have been getting upset at people "hyping" and "wanking" Katakuri are okay with the idea of Luffy defeating Katakuri, as if this is consistent. Lmao, the haters are finally coming out of their shells I see.

By your logic, if Luffy found a weakness to Big Mom right now, he should be able to defeat her and it would make sense. Lmao, get this shitty ass logic outta here bruh. If in fact this was BM, you would be questioning the living shit out of this, but because it is Katakuri, you are okay with the idea of Luffy defeating him now.

Lmao, bye.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I see the point went right over your head but it's alright.

"Oh hey, I'm getting completely outclassed and stomped by my opponent and he's better than me in every possible way, so let me pull up the good old boring rundown cliche and find one small weakness and win despite this character being much stronger than a character that I couldn't even defeat by myself in my strongest form!"

Apples and oranges. You can no longer compare Cracker vs Luffy to Katakuri vs Luffy when the latter is now operating under a weakness being exploited.

Also, that's the point of a weakness. It's a ****ing hole in the ship. What happens when ships have holes? They sink. Same deal here. Katakuri might be superior, but WEAKNESS means he can be overcome. Is it cliche? Yeah. But now you're moving the goalposts and adding new shit to be negative about when the old shit is disputed. At that point, you're just f

This is nothing more than fans having shit expectations for a story and accepting everything the author does because they know it goes and suits their wishes.

Show me one person saying that this route is perfect and has no flaws. I'll wait.

It's funny how most of the people who have been getting upset at people "hyping" and "wanking" Katakuri are okay with the idea of Luffy defeating Katakuri, as if this is consistent. Lmao, the haters are finally coming out of their shells I see.

You sound like LBeezy falling back on calling people haters because they said Luffy can't beat BM. Once again, you need to wrap your head around what the concept of a WEAKNESS is. This is not inconsistent whatsoever with Katakuri's character. Luffy is not suddenly overcoming Katakuri's superiority as though it wasn't there, he has a chance of winning DESPITE them. That's what a weakness is.

By your logic, if Luffy found a weakness to Big Mom right now, he should be able to defeat her and it would make sense.

Yes? What nonsense is this? If a character has a weakness, then it DOES make sense that a weaker character can beat them because of it. Luffy vs Enel was one such example where Enel was probably overall superior, but lost because the areas that made him superior weren't available because Luffy was his weakness. Same deal here.

lmao, get this shitty ass logic outta here bruh. If in fact this was BM, you would be questioning the living shit out of this, but because it is Katakuri, you are okay with the idea of Luffy defeating him now.

Yeah, don't go assuming that my views are as shallow as yours. If Big Mom had a weakness to exploit and Luffy exploited it to win, I would not mind that at all. Because at the end of the day, Luffy was STILL weaker. A weaker character defeating a stronger character not because one got magically stronger or weaker, but because a weakness was exploited is perfectly fine in terms of consistent writing.

Lmao, bye.

The only correct thing you've said, since someone who doesn't even comprehend what a weakness is has no business discussing anyways lmfao

 

[Dannie]

If Big Mom had a weakness to exploit and Luffy exploited it to win, I would not mind that at all.

Ooooooookay, think we're done here.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

I think we absolutely know that Haki has "Level 2" to the forms. Luffy learned the "basics," so that's implicit that there's an "advanced" part to it.

Armament haki when introduced was introduced as "an invisible armor over your body" Armament Hardening is the advanced version, It'd be cool if there was another level but I think it's just one of Kata's DF powers

 

[Skull Knight]

Didn't liked the chapter.
I didn't liked his appearance
Also didn't liked how he dumped mochi and thought Luffy is dead. He never underestimated Luffy but he didn't bother to check if Luffy is dead or not. let's not forget that this guy has best Observation Haki so he should have seen it before taking a break.

 

[Dannie]

Didn't liked the chapter.

Can you believe that some people actually called this the best chapter of 2017?

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I am reading some comments on other forums and it's like people missed the entire fiasco at the Cake Chateau.

I didn't liked his appearance

Me either. Some people are even saying that he looks better like this? Like.. lol.
I know that OP has a thing for making characters look goofy and Disney-like, but holy hell. Couldn't have kept one character completely normal Oda?

Also didn't liked how he dumped mochi and thought Luffy is dead. He never underestimated Luffy but he didn't bother to check if Luffy is dead or not.

This was my main concern too. It's like Oda wanted to create a "reason" for Katakuri to be careless for a few minutes and just get caught by Luffy as if he had just forgotten who he was just fighting, thus having his face revealed and possibly having his powers all out of wack. This is also probably one of the main reasons why people have a problem with how this was handled.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

@Danny
Why are u so adamant on repeating Luffy should have no chance?
U said No one has ever been shown to use COo into the future a few seconds. But Luffy did exactly that in Marineford.
It was obviously subconscious but it's the same aspect.

Yea Luffy has been kicked left and right a few chapters ago. So what?
Exactly to WHAT has that accounted for? Does he look tired? Does he look hurt? Is he slowing down in any way?
Dofalmingo was also getting kicked left and right a few times by gear 2 and it didn't amount to much.
So excuse us for some of us not seeing the "omg he has zero chance" when actually Luffy's shape is not even dented in any way.

Who says Katakuri's durabilty will be good or his stamina?
From what I read Katakuri was not used someone dodging his attacks so much. So what I think from that info is that he usually finishses his fights rather sooner than later, and while not always the case it would not be hard to believe that someone who always gets hits in fast he might not be used to fight over longer periods of time.

I just don't get this nonsical talk that it should be impoible for Luffy to overcome him while Luffy is miles away from being in the worst shape we have seen him in.
After last chapter it's pretty much clear Katakuri is gonna have to use brute force to fight his way trough Luffy Cause drowning the biggest glutton in the series in Mochi is not going to work.

 

[Skull Knight]

Can you believe that some people actually called this the best chapter of 2017?

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I am reading some comments on other forums and it's like people missed the entire fiasco at the Cake Chateau.

See I didn't liked this arc from the beginning.
BM kids fear her. No body dares to stop her when she goes nuts. Suddenly Jinbei throws some cake(whatever it was) and everything settles down. We never saw BM's 4th commander and Smoothie did nothing. Its like she wanted SH kill her mother so that she can take her place.
I did liked BM's backstory and Katakuri's attitude. That's it. Oda should have ended this arc when they fall from the cake. Now he is stretching the arc for no reason.

Me either. Some people are even saying that he looks better like this? Like.. lol.
I know that OP has a thing for making characters look goofy and Disney-like, but holy hell. Couldn't have kept one character completely normal Oda?

They need to get their eyes checked. He looks hideous now.

 

[Olorin]

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Me either. Some people are even saying that he looks better like this? Like.. lol.
I know that OP has a thing for making characters look goofy and Disney-like, but holy hell. Couldn't have kept one character completely normal Oda?

I still dont get why you are reading one piece

 

[Punk Hazard]

I still dont get why you are reading one piece

lmao he's so confused at people liking something that he doesn't as though he's not talking about something completely subjective. "Wow, people like this thing and I don't? They're so dumb"

it's even worse when this is large and by far one of the least goofiest designs.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

hahaha I did say luffy will end up whoop dogtooth ass all hail luffy future pk dogtooth can eat dogshite

 

[Olorin]

lmao he's so confused at people liking something that he doesn't as though he's not talking about something completely subjective. "Wow, people like this thing and I don't? They're so dumb"

it's even worse when this is large and by far one of the least goofiest designs.

old katakuri looked so out of place in OP to me I really didn't like it