Hiruzen Solos.

[Tyrance sasuke]

That would be all genjutsus and all ninjutsus that tax physical energy. the 2nd Mizukage showed how shadow style looks like...

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No. Ino's mind transfer is secret art (hiden) and shadow style which is in databook.
Same for chouji his databook has secret art (hiden) plus light nature Shikamaru has secret art (hiden) plus shadow nature. Hiruzen does not have the secret art in his grid only shadow style nature and then light style nature.

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Yeah it's under kekkai genkai the icon right next to the summoning symbol. His kekkai genkai is the rinnegan too.
Anyone who is able to wield truthseeking orb, use izanagi, use COAT, and black chakra receivers are shadow and light style nature users. It's an inherited power from those with both lineage together Hagormoo have.

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The light style is because he's senju lineage like Naruto. Even Naruto can use shadow and light style yet he only has light style nature inside of the grid depsite having a truth seeking orb power.

It is stated as secret art , but hiruzen db does say he mastered secret arts..... doesnt that mean he isnt an original clan member so he didnt get the hiden symbol even if he knows to use the clan jutsus?
By the way , kakashi copied a hidden jutsu of the mist village according to kisame but he isnt listed as secret art user

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[Mellanoma]

Spiral zetsu can only manipulate the chakra of those he is absorbing their life force from which was Yamato not Hiruzen, so don't play stupid with me.

White zetsu let alone spiral zetsu cannot alter their chakra to whatever being they like without absorbing that specific person's chakra and life energy.

He gets it! So now back to my original point

If hiruzen didn't break the manga how was he able to achieve all 5 elements through pure training? If he is capable of LEARNING all 5 nature types then what's stopping him from livig up to his manga/databook portrayal?

Nagato required rinnegan
Kakazu require hearts as conduits
Zetsu requires chakra of host

Hiruzen LEARNED and trained as a normal human to acheive these feats. So what's stopping him from mastering all non-bloodline limit abilities?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It is stated as secret art , but hiruzen db does say he mastered secret arts..... doesnt that mean he isnt an original clan member so he didnt get the hiden symbol even if he knows to use the clan jutsus?
By the way , kakashi copied a hidden jutsu of the mist village according to kisame but he isnt listed as secret art user

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It says kakashi is a kekkai genkai user not secret art. And Hiruzen's databook says nothing about him knowing hiden arts or anything like that, someone made it up.

 

[MomoSaka]

He gets it! So now back to my original point

If hiruzen didn't break the manga how was he able to achieve all 5 elements through pure training? If he is capable of LEARNING all 5 nature types then what's stopping him from livig up to his manga/databook portrayal?

Nagato required rinnegan
Kakazu require hearts as conduits
Zetsu requires chakra of host

Hiruzen LEARNED and trained as a normal human to acheive these feats. So what's stopping him from mastering all non-bloodline limit abilities?

Orochimaru?kun:

 

[Warlocks]

Fact 1 : Hiruzen is the only shinobi without Six Path chakra that mastered all basic elements



Fact 2 : Hiruzen was never revived in his prime, we saw a 70 year old going toe to toe with a JuubiJin

oro;hashirama;kakashi also mastered all basic elements

 

[Mellanoma]

Orochimaru?kun:

oro;hashirama;kakashi also mastered all basic elements

As i've stated before Hiruzen is the only normal shinobi to master all 5 elements.

He had no special abilities


Im 100% positive Orochimaru's affinity benefits come from his host swapping as canonically what elemental abilities have he displayed
As for Hashirama his elements come from his Mokuton statue summon correct?

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

It says kakashi is a kekkai genkai user not secret art. And Hiruzen's databook says nothing about him knowing hiden arts or anything like that, someone made it up.

It does say ' hiruzen surpassed 2nd in talent from childhood, mastered all 5 basic transformation , mastered genjutsu, and mastered secret techniques'.
I think the only reason hiruzen isnt stated to be a hiden jutsu possesor is bcuz he doesnt hail from the respective clan.... kakashi mastered the suryudan no jutsu which is a secret jutsu of the mist by copying it with sharingan. Kisame stated he mastered that hidden mist secret jutsu. Yet he isnt listed as a secret jutsu user. Which means hiruzen isnt listed bcuz of the above case, bcuz he isnt a clan member. Its not impossible, hiruzen can perform 1000 illusionary jutsus confirming the db is true , and he did think he could beat kinkaku squad and come back alive , even though it was said to be a sure death scenario. He himself stated to be the most accomplished of the bunch. He was also the most people-friendly kage in the leaf. So I dont think nara clan or any other clan would be reluctant to teach him the jutsu....

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Name someone alive we’ve actually seen hiruzen solo tho

 

[Mellanoma]

Name someone alive we’ve actually seen hiruzen solo tho

Name someone alive who the manga would allow to be soloed

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Name someone alive who the manga would allow to be soloed

Plenty of people have been solo’d in the manga, hiruzen has been shown having to kill himself to seal away 2 40%, 60%? Edos and orochimarus arms

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It does say ' hiruzen surpassed 2nd in talent from childhood, mastered all 5 basic transformation , mastered genjutsu, and mastered secret techniques'.
I think the only reason hiruzen isnt stated to be a hiden jutsu possesor is bcuz he doesnt hail from the respective clan.... kakashi mastered the suryudan no jutsu which is a secret jutsu of the mist by copying it with sharingan. Kisame stated he mastered that hidden mist secret jutsu. Yet he isnt listed as a secret jutsu user. Which means hiruzen isnt listed bcuz of the above case, bcuz he isnt a clan member.

hiden (secret art) is clan jutsus only. The rest of the jutsus you mentioned kisame, kakashi, and zabuza used are not called mist secret arts they're just called Kirigakure jutsus. Kisame, Mei, and Zabuza master all kirigakure jutsus...

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which are hiding behind the mist (mei/zabuza), water Doppler ganger (zabuza/kisame/mei/kakashi) and water dragon (mei/zabuza/ kisame/kakashi).

While Hiruzen mastered all of konoha's which is shadow dopple ganger, hiding behind the leaf, severing leaf hurricane, leaf whirlwind, crescent moon dance etc.

The only time secret art is applied is when it has something to do with a clan.

Its not impossible, hiruzen can perform 1000 illusionary jutsus confirming the db is true , and he did think he could beat kinkaku squad and come back alive , even though it was said to be a sure death scenario. He himself stated to be the most accomplished of the bunch. He was also the most people-friendly kage in the leaf. So I dont think nara clan or any other clan would be reluctant to teach him the jutsu....

It's because he has a 1000 illusionary jutsus that he is a shadow style user (yin element).

Secret arts and kkG require both.

Example: Uchiha Sharingan users will all have shadow style (Yin element) with the addition kekkai genkai icon at the bottom of their grid
Example2: Nara shadw possn users will have shadow style (Yin element) with the addition secret art icon at the bottom of their grid

Masters of illusions with no clan abilities whatsoever would have shadow style with no icon
Masters of physical arts with no clan abilities whatsoever would have light style with no icon.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

The only good thread this week.

 

[Peculiar Chester]

And Hiruzen's databook says nothing about him knowing hiden arts or anything like that, someone made it up.

Can you prove this?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Can you prove this?

I just did, did you not pay attention?

 

[Peculiar Chester]

I didn't see you providing any evidence for the databook translation being counterfeit, no.

 

[Mellanoma]

Plenty of people have been solo’d in the manga, hiruzen has been shown having to kill himself to seal away 2 40%, 60%? Edos and orochimarus arms

lol name 5 characters during that era who could have won that fight without dying. Keep in my Hiruzen was past his prime during Part 1 where age mattered lol.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

lol name 5 characters during that era who could have won that fight without dying. Keep in my Hiruzen was past his prime during Part 1 where age mattered lol.

I don’t care about any of that, name someone hiruzens solo’d, the threads called he solos, who has he solo’d though? He wasn’t even feared much, just known for knowing a lot of jutsus, cool. We know he was right after tobirama in strength in the village, and stronger than a sharingan less danzo, kagami uchiha, and the 2 advisors who have done nothing for the entirety of the manga

 

[Mellanoma]

I don’t care about any of that, name someone hiruzens solo’d, the threads called he solos, who has he solo’d though? He wasn’t even feared much, just known for knowing a lot of jutsus, cool. We know he was right after tobirama in strength in the village, and stronger than a sharingan less danzo, kagami uchiha, and the 2 advisors who have done nothing for the entirety of the manga

He solo Edo Hashirama, Edo Tobirama and Orochimaru's Jutsu fetish at that particular time in the series..

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He solo Edo Hashirama, Edo Tobirama and Orochimaru's Jutsu fetish at that particular time in the series..

He literally died from that

 

[Mellanoma]

He literally died from that

Which is why I asked who else in that era could have pulled it off? Rather he died or not he still Solo'd the fight.