[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 883 Discussion and 884 Predictions

[ArabianLuffy]

I think Katakuris weakness is attacking him at the exact moment he has his future sight. That’s much better than him not getting enough sugar intake imo.

Katakuri used stronger Armament Haki (Black Mochi) which seemingly cancels out Observation Haki use. This might explains the hit Katakuri got on his jaw by Luffy.

 

[OG sama]

Katakuri used stronger Armament Haki (Black Mochi) which seemingly cancels out Observation Haki use. This might explains the hit Katakuri got on his jaw by Luffy.

Interesting is this some higher form of CoA Haki? Or did he simply just combine his DF with his haki and that made it stronger?

 

[-Akuma-]

I was kind of disappointed to see Katakuri has some weird quirk to him. I expected him to stay as the only regular member of Big Mam's crew but in all honesty, it's not as bad as I initially thought it to be. This doesn't change that Katakuri has been the only competent member of Big Mam's crew, nor does it change the fact he's not doing the cliche underestimating the protagonist bullshit. Katakuri is still cool, Luffy was decent, and Big Mam should still kill herself. The chapter gets a 4/5.

By the way, who the hell did Big Mam band in order for Katakuri to get a mouth like that?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

^Look at this little weasel trying to get back up. Shameless lmfao

This fodder dumbass, don't let me come there and deal with you boy.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Interesting is this some higher form of CoA Haki? Or did he simply just combine his DF with his haki and that made it stronger?

I don't know why Katakuri called it Black Mochi. Even if by combining his CoA with Mochi it shouldn't be that solid to the point it made Luffy's hands swell. Sounds like his CoA passed Luffy's CoA. This case to me almost sort of similar to Luffy's "Rubbery Haki" that protects him from sharp attacks. For now I would say Katakuri used higher form (level) of CoA Haki.

I think in case of Luffy, he' gonna have two use for CoA. Rubbery Haki and the presumed new/higher form of CoA, Solid Rubber.

 

[OG sama]

I don't know why Katakuri called it Black Mochi. Even if by combining his CoA with Mochi it shouldn't be that solid to the point it made Luffy's hands swell. Sounds like his CoA passed Luffy's CoA. This case to me almost sort of similar to Luffy's "Rubbery Haki" that protects him from sharp attacks. For now I would say Katakuri used higher form (level) of CoA Haki.

I think in case of Luffy, he' gonna have two use for CoA. Rubbery Haki and the presumed new/higher form of CoA, Solid Rubber.

Idk why he called it block Mochi either but it sounds cool, but Oda is really going to have to elaborate on this because if it is a higher level of CoA then he did a bad job getting the readers to understand that. Hopefully the Viz can clear this up.

 

[ToshiZO]

I think we absolutely know that Haki has "Level 2" to the forms. Luffy learned the "basics," so that's implicit that there's an "advanced" part to it.

I think you guys need to stop taking *********** so seriously, read JB scans along with MS.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think you guys need to stop taking *********** so seriously, read JB scans along with MS.

I didn't even read the MS version. I'm talking about what was said when Rayleigh was training Luffy, and it was said that two years isn't enough to learn the basics of Haki. Basics makes it implicit that there will be higher forms.

 

[iKaras]

Oh count me out. This is heading towards some fairytail BS.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Ok this is just sad and depressing. I can only assume that after FT ended some people needed to find another outlet for their pent up frustrations and decided that OP was the next best thing. What some people have been doing for a while now is being nothing more than an eyesore as you whine for the sake of whining and you use that as an excuse to hide the reality you don't even bother thinking. It's like an automatic impulse: complain immediately.



I mean look at this ^, that doesn't even make any sense. Luffy was able to hit Dogtooth, meaning something was different and Luffy believes he knows what that is. This is one of the most fundamental basics of any kind of fight: find out the weakness of the opponent and exploit it. Your reaction? "That's whack AF". What?

This is the truth: there is nothing particularly unusual about this fight, you just want to whine. Yes this is a manga, so there's always a certain amount of things being 'manipulated', but you shouldn't pull this out of proportion. The way how some people here are dissing this fight is so narrow-minded, restrictive and even borderline draconian that if you would consistently apply this to any existing fight in any fictional series, almost all of them would be complete crap.

The fight is not the problem, it's this twisted and irrational way of viewing the fight that's wrong and there's quite an easy way to underline this. The most important thing we learned from this chapter is that Katakuri has some kind of weakness and Luffy figured out what that is. Now the most logical thing would be to discuss that potential weakness...something barely anyone has done in this thread. Instead it went immediately to "he's being nerfed". That's complete BS. You can only talk about nerfing if you actually know all the factors involved, which none of you do.

Now imagine for example that Dogtooth needs a huge sugar intake from time to time to function at full capacity. Oda often gives characters themes that are complementary with the character's ability. Like Perospero, a candyman who is licking a lollypop all the time. Now Dogtooth is made out of mochi, a substance that's most of the time sweet and thus sugary. So that he would be addicted to sweet stuff wouldn't be that much of a surprise and people who are full of sugar are highly active. However the moment such a sugar rush is over they become kinda sluggish. So what if Dogtooth's punctuality of eating his snacks at always the exact time isn't just to appear disciplined, but also to maximize his energy output?

Due to all the things that have happened his snack-time got delayed quite a bit. This would explain why Luffy was preforming better the longer the fight lasted as Dogtooth was being drained of his sugar and why he abruptly tried to end it by burying Luffy and then immediately started eating.

Is this true? I don't know, it might be complete bogus. I do know however that this is the kind of logic Oda often uses as it makes just enough sense to work and that it's something Luffy surely could figure out because he has got the same relationship with meat. This is how you should approach and discuss a chapter, but instead it's "oh no, he has a weakness, he got nerfed! Booooo". You're not even trying to think about the possibilities and that's just depressing. You just make arbitrary and questionable assumptions and then complain when they are not met.

This is post is so true regarding this chapter. It would make no sense for Luffy to beat Katakuri at this point. However, if he's figured out a weakness then he can pull it off. He's not being nerfed at all. I still wouldn't want him taken out in a different arc to BM though.

 

[HashiraMadara]

. Yes this is a manga, so there's always a certain amount of things being 'manipulated', .

Should have stopped typing there. Nuff said.

I want intelligently instigated counters not "oh wow check he is weak to this and that". Is that too much to ask?

 

[Olorin]

Should have stopped typing there. Nuff said.

I want intelligently instigated counters not "oh wow check he is weak to this and that". Is that too much to ask?

lol we dont even know what it is

 

[Caliburn]

>Implying that FT was anything high of mediocre

Why even bring in a manga that had atrocious asspulls thick and through with shitty storytelling as a defense for why people need to complain about something else?



I didn't hate this chapter, but this is just insane. People aren't choosing to whine for the sake of whining. They obviously have a reason for it, some reasons are more shallow than others, but they are still reasons. Maybe some people are just sick of this arc, or maybe some people don't like how certain characters are being portrayed or introduced from this arc.

I guarantee there have been at least 1 arc where you have complained and wished it was over, so you people should stop telling other people to stop whining. You are even worse than the people whining by telling them to stop whining.

This is exactly why the One Piece fanbase has gotten so bad, they can never accept negative criticism, and expect everyone to give positive reviews and thumbs up for every chapter, despite there being major flaws in the arc.

And yet the exact same BS of the FT section gets produced here. The level of the series is not a relevant factor. Despite the many flaws FT had, I've rarely seen anyone giving some constructive criticism, which wasn't even that hard. Instead people complained endlessly about everything purely for the sake of complaining, not that there was anything substantial in what they were complaining about. The same people then frequently contradicted their own complaints. Often it wasn't even complaining anymore, but pure trash talk and the moment that FT was nearing its end, this deplorable attitude started to seep into this section. This entire discussion about Luffy vs Dogtooth is a prime example of that: some people already started to give comments that are approaching the definition of trash talk while others give contradictory complaints. So yeah there are very well people who are complaining just to complain.

Criticism is inherently something 'negative', but what some people have been producing is not criticism, but BS of which they don't even understand themselves the implications. What you are saying comes down to that according to you everyone can just produce any kind of contradictory BS they want as long as they give bogus reasons, but when other people get angry about it, they are the ones who are the problem? This is not the issue of a specific fanbase, this is an issue of several individuals who rather complain than try to have a meaningful discussion. The fact that the first thing you did was dissing on FT and tried to pass the problem to somewhere else with a half-assed reasoning pretty much proves my point. This is what poisons a fanbase.

And no I have actually rarely complained about such stuff. Sure there have always been arcs and moments that I liked less than other or even disliked. But most of the time I keep those complaints to myself as there's no merit in them and even if I do mention them, I try to keep it constructive and make sure that it's a pure personal statement.

Also considering you are now whining about me whining, following your own logic that makes you the worst of all. This is a striking example of everything I said as you start with trash talk, then contradict yourself to end with how the fanbase is supposedly poisoned while you just tried to justify the actions who are mostly responsible for that poisoning.

I think when Katakuri's sugar intake is too low, he can't use both levels of Haki at the same time. Meaning that when he's using Haki to make Square Mochi, he can't use it to see the future or read movements clearly.

It's a possibility. There are multiple ways as how his relationship with sugar could be interpreted. It's nothing new that each individual DF has its own strengths and weaknesses. Enel is weak to rubber and Crocodile to water, while on the other hand if the latter is in a desert he can reinforce his abilities tremendously. Similarly it's possible that Dogtooth's DF can be used more efficiently if he eats more sugar. Another possibility is that Dogtooth simply is a sugar junky and that by default he becomes mentally and physically sluggish if he doesn't eat it regularly. And yes it's also possible that this affects his Haki-usage.

My point was that first and foremost we should be discussing the possibilities and not by default complain for the sake of complaining.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's a possibility. There are multiple ways as how his relationship with sugar could be interpreted. It's nothing new that each individual DF has its own strengths and weaknesses. Enel is weak to rubber and Crocodile to water, while on the other hand if the latter is in a desert he can reinforce his abilities tremendously. Similarly it's possible that Dogtooth's DF can be used more efficiently if he eats more sugar. Another possibility is that Dogtooth simply is a sugar junky and that by default he becomes mentally and physically sluggish if he doesn't eat it regularly. And yes it's also possible that this affects his Haki-usage.

My point was that first and foremost we should be discussing the possibilities and not by default complain for the sake of complaining.

I agree. People say it doesn't make sense that Katakuri might run out of fuel because he doesn't have the sugar, but I disagree with that. We've seen before in this series that eating gives Luffy energy/stamina, which is related to Haki. Luffy even says that Gear Fourth directly burns up calories; with Katakuri's abilities compared to Luffy's, it makes perfect sense that he'd have something similar.

That could be why he carries around jelly beans. A quick mid-fight sugary snack. I'd say it's probably a combo of these theories. When Katakuri has a proper sugar intake, he's at best capacity. He can use his Haki more efficiently. When his sugar intake drops, likely by exerting himself in battle like Luffy and calories, his stamina weakens due to withdrawal-like symptoms, and his Haki usage has to be conservative to avoid burning up too much. Katakuri using Awakening, this Block Mochi, and his foresight all at once so rapidly after the other could be taking its toll on him. Maybe not a lot, but enough that his abilities have become more limited, giving Luffy an opening.

 

[Dannie]

I wonder why Katakuri got really upset when they said this about his mouth?

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I feel like we get a flashback about Katakuri being abused, which would explain those stitches on the outside of his mouth. The BM pirates have all had a pattern of being abused either verbally or physically like with Pudding, and despite not seeing a flashback of Cracker, we know he dislikes pain. This could be something that is focused on more when it comes to Katakuri and how he was possibly abused by someone and had his mouth made the way it is.

Thoughts?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I agree. People say it doesn't make sense that Katakuri might run out of fuel because he doesn't have the sugar, but I disagree with that. We've seen before in this series that eating gives Luffy energy/stamina, which is related to Haki. Luffy even says that Gear Fourth directly burns up calories; with Katakuri's abilities compared to Luffy's, it makes perfect sense that he'd have something similar.

That could be why he carries around jelly beans. A quick mid-fight sugary snack. I'd say it's probably a combo of these theories. When Katakuri has a proper sugar intake, he's at best capacity. He can use his Haki more efficiently. When his sugar intake drops, likely by exerting himself in battle like Luffy and calories, his stamina weakens due to withdrawal-like symptoms, and his Haki usage has to be conservative to avoid burning up too much. Katakuri using Awakening, this Block Mochi, and his foresight all at once so rapidly after the other could be taking its toll on him. Maybe not a lot, but enough that his abilities have become more limited, giving Luffy an opening.

So much hype has been built up on Katakuri to deliver greatness. Apparently he's just another fodder, but the hard type of fodder to fall. Such skills that burn his energy (if this is the case)

- Seeing Future
- Black Mochi
- Awakening

Well, is Luffy gonna power up after this battle? We'll see.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Its funny how whenever someone receives damage, they are immediately shunned and called weak. Its especially bad when it happens to someone perceived as strong and/or badass. Maybe you had your expectations too high for no reason other than made up hype? Katakuri will soon join the ranks of Mingo, Cracker, Sanji, Smoker and Law of characters who get underrated because they lost.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I wonder why Katakuri got really upset when they said this about his mouth?

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I feel like we get a flashback about Katakuri being abused, which would explain those stitches on the outside of his mouth. The BM pirates have all had a pattern of being abused either verbally or physically like with Pudding, and despite not seeing a flashback of Cracker, we know he dislikes pain. This could be something that is focused on more when it comes to Katakuri and how he was possibly abused by someone and had his mouth made the way it is.

Thoughts?

There's a theory that the major flaws of the commanders are the results of abuse from BM. The one that was interesting to me was that Smoothie, as a child, got criticized so much for having opinions that now, she doesn't have any. That's why she's so indecisive in this arc.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

There's a theory that the major flaws of the commanders are the results of abuse from BM. The one that was interesting to me was that Smoothie, as a child, got criticized so much for having opinions that now, she doesn't have any. That's why she's so indecisive in this arc.

There are theories about that? I think its obvious as seen with Pudding, that BM makes them change their personalities & appearance to her liking. She called Pudding's eye weird and bullying from other kids screwed her up. BM didn't abuse her. Just said something that was pretty insensitive.

 

[Olorin]

So much hype has been built up on Katakuri to deliver greatness. Apparently he's just another fodder, but the hard type of fodder to fall. Such skills that burn his energy (if this is the case)

- Seeing Future
- Black Mochi
- Awakening

Well, is Luffy gonna power up after this battle? We'll see.

most of the hype is the fanbase's fault and pls do explain in what way is he a fodder?