[VS] Charlotte Linlin vs Shiki the Golden Cub

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What does flying Pirate has to do with shaping islands/ coating and stuff. He never showed any feat in manga where he lifted an island. Otherwise he would have destroyed MF completely.
Another thing is that Chapter zero came out just before the movie. It was specifically said at the end that Shiki was planning something and his lackeys need few years to do that. Movie showed exactly what they were planning.
Regarding Haki and stuff;
it wasn't a full proof concept pre TS. That's why we didn't see Moria or Crocodile using Haki pre TS even though they fought top tier guys and managed to escape from their fight.
Flying pirate relates to his levitating powers. And the movie showed his canon devil fruit which has the ability to lift any object and mass except life consisting material.

Moria and crocodile have a unique paramecia and logia which cancels the need to have haki in the first place respectively. Shiki was so powerful bcuz of his island levitating ability. There is no feat needed to measure his capacity, since the devil fruit definition itself says he can do that.
 

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Flying pirate relates to his levitating powers. And the movie showed his canon devil fruit which has the ability to lift any object and mass except life consisting material.
Last page u said Movie isn't Canon. And now you are trying to pass the notion that the move set Shiki used in Movie is Canon. I ask u again what type of stupid logic is it???
There is no manga scan where he lifted islands.
So either u consider the movie as Canon and accept Shiki wasn't much of a challenge or u can simply say Movie isn't Canon and Shiki is basically featless.

Moria and crocodile have a unique paramecia and logia which cancels the need to have haki in the first place respectively.
What type of BS is this??? U are basically saying they don't need Haki if the fight guys like Akainu or Kizaru???

Shiki was so powerful bcuz of his island levitating ability. There is no feat needed to measure his capacity, since the devil fruit definition itself says he can do that.
Just stop. You are going round and round making baseless assumption.
Movie clearly showed what he was capable of and how Luffy defeated him. LIGHTNING+Brute strength ended his terror.
BM got both of it. She can also fly(using Prometheus) and put her soul in the island which Shiki is trying to lift. So Shiki's so called Island lifting feat won't be useful against BM.
 

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Last page u said Movie isn't Canon. And now you are trying to pass the notion that the move set Shiki used in Movie is Canon. I ask u again what type of stupid logic is it???
There is no manga scan where he lifted islands.
So either u consider the movie as Canon and accept Shiki wasn't much of a challenge or u can simply say Movie isn't Canon and Shiki is basically featless.


What type of BS is this??? U are basically saying they don't need Haki if the fight guys like Akainu or Kizaru???


Just stop. You are going round and round making baseless assumption.
Movie clearly showed what he was capable of and how Luffy defeated him. LIGHTNING+Brute strength ended his terror.
BM got both of it. She can also fly(using Prometheus) and put her soul in the island which Shiki is trying to lift. So Shiki's so called Island lifting feat won't be useful against BM.
The fight is not canon but the devil fruit capability shown in the movie is canon. Why dont you get what Im trying to say? Because he was mentioned as someone who escaped impel down and you damn well know how a one-leg gonna escape impel down right? No other way than with his DF.

Can big mom put her soul in the entire island as a whole? If she cant put it as a whole , then shiki wouldve no trouble lifting it as long as a single non-living matter exists in it.
Moria and Croc never fought kizaru or akainu. I dont know why you're bringing that up.

His ability allows him to manipulate the air surrounding him since he's already touching it, and freely control it however he wants. Thats part of his ability, and his devil fruit is canon.
 

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Last page u said Movie isn't Canon. And now you are trying to pass the notion that the move set Shiki used in Movie is Canon. I ask u again what type of stupid logic is it???
There is no manga scan where he lifted islands.
So either u consider the movie as Canon and accept Shiki wasn't much of a challenge or u can simply say Movie isn't Canon and Shiki is basically featless.


What type of BS is this??? U are basically saying they don't need Haki if the fight guys like Akainu or Kizaru???


Just stop. You are going round and round making baseless assumption.
Movie clearly showed what he was capable of and how Luffy defeated him. LIGHTNING+Brute strength ended his terror.
BM got both of it. She can also fly(using Prometheus) and put her soul in the island which Shiki is trying to lift. So Shiki's so called Island lifting feat won't be useful against BM.

G2 Luffy defeated a former admiral that could tussle with Kizaru in Film Z....the movie is no indication of Shiki's power.
 

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The fight is not canon but the devil fruit capability shown in the movie is canon. Why dont you get what Im trying to say? Because he was mentioned as someone who escaped impel down and you damn well know how a one-leg gonna escape impel down right? No other way than with his DF.
He escaped ID because he had flight abilities. Nothing was shown that he coated himself with surrounding and lifted islands.

Can big mom put her soul in the entire island as a whole? If she cant put it as a whole , then shiki wouldve no trouble lifting it as long as a single non-living matter exists in it.
BM recently put soul in that Tsunami wave. It was also shown that they can expand their size(Zeus n Prometheus became big). So if she put her soul in that island then Shiki can't do anything as his DF states that he can't float living beings except him.

U also failed to grasp that BM has flight abilities thanks to Prometheus so lifting islands won't help Shiki.

Moria and Croc never fought kizaru or akainu. I dont know why you're bringing that up.
I brought this point since u said those guys don't need Haki. Their DF is enough.
Everybody needs Haki post TS to even stand a chance against Yonko's 4th commander.

His ability allows him to manipulate the air surrounding him since he's already touching it, and freely control it however he wants. Thats part of his ability, and his devil fruit is canon.
If he could do that then he would have never met with an accident in Edd war. Also it makes no sense. It's like saying BM can coat herself with souls she collected and can gain Intangibility.
Another thing is that those abilities won't work against BM. She stopped G4 punch.

G2 Luffy defeated a former admiral that could tussle with Kizaru in Film Z....the movie is no indication of Shiki's power.
You are talking about different movie. Zephyr was never mentioned in manga once. Even the Shichibukai who he had beef with was never mentioned. So Film Z can be considered as filler.
On the other hand Chapter 0 ended on the note that Shiki is planning something and his crew needed time for that. Movie started exactly from that point.
 
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He escaped ID because he had flight abilities. Nothing was shown that he coated himself with surrounding and lifted islands.
You failed to grasp what I was saying. If he could levitate himself then doesnt it mean he can levitate and manipulate the air around him? If you're basing this off of how he lost against roger, then you should understand his conqueror's haki was out of this world. It could summon a storm out of the bkue when shiki invaded his crew.

BM recently put soul in that Tsunami wave. It was also shown that they can expand their size(Zeus n Prometheus became big). So if she put her soul in that island then Shiki can't do anything as his DF states that he can't float living beings except him.
Can she cover the entire island with her soul? She only covered objects in her island with her soul not the island as a whole, with her soul. As you know shiki can can levitate his ship filled with living crew men, which means he just needs to touch a non living thing in which a couple of living beings are standing or residing. Or he can create dense cyclones with the air and crash it towards her and she'll suffer similar damage as G4 luffy attack. Natural disasters are always far stronger than power buffed attacks, otherwise whitebeard's power wouldve been useless. Shiki's ability is similar to whitebeard's, twisting the environment after touching it once.

U also failed to grasp that BM has flight abilities thanks to Prometheus so lifting islands won't help Shiki.
How can you say that? Shiki doesnt have limits to how much heights he can lift an object nor how much heights he can lift himself. Even if BM flies up, he can elevate the island, water, air etc around him to cover big mom and attack her from all sides in all directions.


I brought this point since u said those guys don't need Haki. Their DF is enough.
Everybody needs Haki post TS to even stand a chance against Yonko's 4th commander.
I said that, after analysing the nature of thier abilities. Moria's shadow power allows him to turn sides with the shadows of other humans endlessly so any attack against him is useless. Moreover he can cut the shadows of a haki user by taking it tangibly, from which the haki user has zero defense. Haki is useless in this case. Since they cant manipulate thier shadows with haki only increase thier body perception and agility. Why do you think the shichibukai despite having no haki was selected to maintain the power balance? Because of thier unique devil fruits. Its like saying robin doesnt stand a chance against haki users, which is extremely ridiculous considering she can gouge the eyes of any tangible human by instantly creating limbs near thier eyes. Haki doesnt give you a defense for that. Certain DFs eliminate the very meaning of haki.


If he could do that then he would have never met with an accident in Edd war. Also it makes no sense. It's like saying BM can coat herself with souls she collected and can gain Intangibility.
Another thing is that those abilities won't work against BM. She stopped G4 punch.
Ok, she can simply cover herself with souls not merge herself with souls. Both terms are different and doesnt work in her case. While shiki can simply surround himself with all the environment around him after touching the land, water, air, fire once and create an almost indestructible shield and invincible offense by throwing all these projectiles which cover a wide area, at her. What happened in the Edd hasnt been shown clearly and its likely that roger's haki has been so powerful enough to suppress his devil fruit abilities.
 

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You failed to grasp what I was saying. If he could levitate himself then doesnt it mean he can levitate and manipulate the air around him? If you're basing this off of how he lost against roger, then you should understand his conqueror's haki was out of this world. It could summon a storm out of the bkue when shiki invaded his crew.
That wasn't Roger's Conqueror Haki :p and Conqueror Haki has never changed climate.

Can she cover the entire island with her soul? She only covered objects in her island with her soul not the island as a whole, with her soul.
She already showed giving soul to Tsunami wave which was quite big. Zeus n Prometheus can expand their size. If she put even a part of her soul to the island then Shiki can't lift it as he can only lift non living things.

As you know shiki can can levitate his ship filled with living crew men, which means he just needs to touch a non living thing in which a couple of living beings are standing or residing.
He can't levitate living beings.

Or he can create dense cyclones with the air and crash it towards her and she'll suffer similar damage as G4 luffy attack. Natural disasters are always far stronger than power buffed attacks, otherwise whitebeard's power wouldve been useless. Shiki's ability is similar to whitebeard's, twisting the environment after touching it once.
She was struck with a lightning (natural based Attack) and G4 punch(strength based attack) and none of them had any affect on her.

How can you say that? Shiki doesnt have limits to how much heights he can lift an object nor how much heights he can lift himself. Even if BM flies up, he can elevate the island, water, air etc around him to cover big mom and attack her from all sides in all directions.
And u are saying Prometheus has limits???
Your overall argument is like Shiki trying to run from BM rather than fighting her.

I said that, after analysing the nature of thier abilities. Moria's shadow power allows him to turn sides with the shadows of other humans endlessly so any attack against him is useless. Moreover he can cut the shadows of a haki user by taking it tangibly, from which the haki user has zero defense. Haki is useless in this case. Since they cant manipulate thier shadows with haki only increase thier body perception and agility. Why do you think the shichibukai despite having no haki was selected to maintain the power balance? Because of thier unique devil fruits. Its like saying robin doesnt stand a chance against haki users, which is extremely ridiculous considering she can gouge the eyes of any tangible human by instantly creating limbs near thier eyes. Haki doesnt give you a defense for that. Certain DFs eliminate the very meaning of haki.
No they won't. People with Haki can stop DF based attacks as seen when Shanks stopped Akainu's Lava punch. By your logic Akainu's lava should have melted that sword but that didn't happen.

Ok, she can simply cover herself with souls not merge herself with souls. Both terms are different and doesnt work in her case. While shiki can simply surround himself with all the environment around him after touching the land, water, air, fire once and create an almost indestructible shield and invincible offense by throwing all these projectiles which cover a wide area, at her. What happened in the Edd hasnt been shown clearly and its likely that roger's haki has been so powerful enough to suppress his devil fruit abilities.
This is fanfic.
If he was that strong then he would have never lost to Roger and would have challenged WB for PK title.
 

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Shiki high diff possibly even lower, BM was a pirate near prime age during Shiki's era but no one cares about her she's no legend like Shiki, and that's for a reason. She got overshadowed.

Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku fought Shiki in a 2v1 and were very serious about it because a 1v1 would take too long and would possibly result in a loss plus would damage MF beyond repair.

Lmfao @ the people taking the movie seriously, a character weaker than a single Pacifista is taking down Shiki a top tier from Rogers era yea lool, get your brains examined.
 

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Shiki high diff possibly even lower, BM was a pirate near prime age during Shiki's era but no one cares about her she's no legend like Shiki, and that's for a reason. She got overshadowed.

Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku fought Shiki in a 2v1 and were very serious about it because a 1v1 would take too long and would possibly result in a loss plus would damage MF beyond repair.

Lmfao @ the people taking the movie seriously, a character weaker than a single Pacifista is taking down Shiki a top tier from Rogers era yea lool, get your brains examined.
Even you're right once in a while I guess. Although I'd say high diff atleast. No one is mid diffing BM after what we saw and her hype regarding her durability etc.
 
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