1. Yeah, they countered what was directly in front of them. Doesn't change the fact that Kiba got around Sakon's backside, who then relied on Ukon to counter.
2. Base Sakon>Base Sasuke, per the manga. CM1 Sakon>CM1 Sharingan Sasuke, per the manga. So there is nothing supporting the notion that Sharingan Sasuke is superior to base Sakon AND Ukon, that Kiba was facing up against. You keep bringing up Base Sakon getting outmaneuvered by base Sasuke... Kiba did the same thing by getting around his backside.
3. Yeah, "huh?" Is the real question here. I've only been saying that Kiba had a better showing against Sakon/Ukon than Sasuke did (which you're obviously disagreeing with), and you're pretending like I said this feat alone translates into Kiba beating Sasuke? Huh? Stop with the straw man. For the final time here, it is to highlight Kiba not having trouble with Sakon, but the combined effort of Sakon and Ukon. Sasuke "had the upper hand" yet Sakon wasn't slightly impressed, called him a wimp, and questioned why Orochimaru wanted him.
It's also funny how CM1 Sakon knocked CM1 Sharingan Sasuke on his ass with little effort, but Kiba was able to withstand a blow from CM2 Sakon/Ukon and even restrain them long enough for Dynamic Marking. Kiba easily had the better showing, which I still don't get why you're trying to refute, but whatever.
1. Gatsuuga>>Kiba's regular attacks in speed and power. Are you really going to argue that Kiba can't even move fast enough using Gatsuuga to pressure Sakon in the slightest from the front, but he can easily get around his back without Sakon being able to react using his normal speed? Does that really sound right to you? :lol He used it because it was convenient, not because he had to in order to survive or because Kiba was too fast for him. Base Sasuke also landed a complete Shishi Rendan on Sakon so idk how this is definitive proof of anything.
2. Fine, Kiba was still getting whooped so it doesn't really matter.
3. Except he didn't. He was getting beaten the entire time. Your argument makes no sense simply because Kiba was getting
his ass beat. He wasn't putting any offensive pressure on Sakon and Ukon. He was simply being stomped into the ground by both of them.
That and this was all hand to hand. So now Kiba doing better in hand to hand than Sasuke somehow means what exactly? That Kiba gets points when we're talking about more than just hand to hand?
Bold is more along the lines of the same bad logic you've been using this whole comparison. Kiba was getting sent flying from CM1 Sakon and Ukon's attacks let alone CM2. Different types of attacks have different levels of strength in them.
Oh here we go again. It's not my fault this is an inconsistent manga. This isn't Sasuke directly after the CE. The stipulation of the OP is SRA Kiba vs CE Sasuke. CE Sasuke opened up with I need time to use Chidori. For the third time here, that is a manga fact. It was blatantly stated and blatantly shown to need time. Stop trying to disregard the fact by bringing up later occurrences, because it changes nothing. After Sasuke does his first preparation, then you can say he no longer requires it. Such a simple concept, I'm not going to bother with this again.
Fine then bud. Changes nothing in the end.
Lol, Lol, and Lol. Quit with the comedy act already, you don't have a valid point. I never once denied Sharingan tracking more than just chakra based things. Like, congratulations, it doesn't take a Dojutsu to accomplish any of that. Is that an excuse or is that a manga fact? You tell me, I'd gladly prove you wrong with a plethora of manga scans. Where the Sharingan excels in is with reading muscle movements externally and seeing chakra color.
Does urine contain chakra? No
Does the act of urination involve muscle movement? Not sure, and I'm not going to research it, because if it does, it's an internal function.
What aren't you comprehending here... This has gotten way past the point of nonsense. The only thing that the Sharingan grants Sasuke here is reading Akamaru's movements. It doesn't allow him to foresee urination any better than a non Dojutsu user.
I don't care whether or not it takes Dojutsu or not to keep track of weapons. That was not the point nor does it even matter so please stop mentioning it as some sort of rebuttal. That is the definition of making excuses. Poor ones at that.
Fact: You don't
need Sharingan to follow the movement of weapons but it helps greatly just like it does when fighting against Ninja. So please don't respond to me saying "oh man but it doesn't take dojutsu to accomplish that".
There is only one thing that has been stated about Sharingan's tracking and it's that it keeps track of movements. Period. I don't know where all these excuses about muscle movements and chakra color are coming from but they do not matter.
-Does urine move? Yes, unless you want to dispute this too.
Thus it will be tracked. Post the scans where it's stated objects have to contain chakra to be tracked better than normal. Post the scans where objects have to have muscle movement in order to be tracked better than normal.
Don't post that scan of Naruto either. It proves nothing you are saying.
And btw why do you keep talking about urination being an internal function? No shit Sasuke isn't going to track his urine before it comes out. That shit obviously makes no sense.
-Akamaru pisses.
-Sasuke sees it.
-Sasuke tracks it.
-Sasuke dodges it.
Doesn't get any simpler than the above. If you disagree show me where urine either teleports from Akamaru's wang to Sasuke's face or show me where liquid became so special that it's movements can't be followed better just like every other movement in this Manga.
Nah, that'll be you, again. Sasuke very briefly uses taijutsu against Kiba, ditches it, and goes straight to Chidori, right? Impractical. He only did that against Gaara because he was literally untouchable in the sand sphere, a totally different scenario than all of Sasuke's canon fights. He found out real quick that taijutsu wasn't cutting it against Sakon so he... Oh wait, no Chidori when he finally activated Sharingan and CM1. And that was well after CE, where he apparently could suddenly use it without preparation. Even in your oddly never happening scenario, how is Sasuke getting the opening and time to prep for his Chidori? Gaara sitting in a sand sphere was very convenient for him, as he outright stated. Kiba's finishing move isn't blatant without any intel, and is initiated in common CQC engagement. That's why it is far more practical than Sasuke pulling Chidori out of your imagination.
Jesus you love these false equivalences huh? Sasuke had the upper hand against Gaara until the sand sphere. Those are the key words. Upper hand. If he has the upper hand he won't switch. If he doesn't, he will. So are you going to argue that Sasuke will have the upper hand against Kiba in hand to hand? I hope not.
-Vs. Gaara. Lost the upper hand when the shield came out and fell back on Ninjutsu.
-Vs. Orochimaru. Lost the "upper hand" with hand to hand and quickly fell back on Ninjutsu.
-Vs. Naruto (hospital) Lost the upper hand when Naruto started spamming clones so he fell back on Katon, and then later used Chidori once Katon failed.
-Vs. Naruto (VoTE) Quickly went for Chidori. [
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I also gotta love the pure irony in your argument. You talk about how Sasuke fights in canon but now Kiba is going for his transformation this quickly when he didn't bother to do so until he knew he was getting his ass beat? Yet you expect me to believe that in this time Sasuke wouldn't have realized that using Taijutsu against Kiba won't cut it so he'll fall back on the Ninjutsu in his arsenal? Keep telling yourself that. Please do.
-Sasuke and Kiba fight in hand to hand.
-Kiba starts to overwhelm him due to his all fours fighting style and the fact he has Akamaru as support.
-Sasuke falls back on Ninjutsu. Either Katon which is mid-long range or Chidori, which is close range but spells death for Kiba.
That's me being generous, because Sasuke engaging in hand to hand with Kiba AND Akamaru would be a stupid thing to do anyway. As for the bold. L-O-L. :lol Stop grasping at straws. It took Sasuke no more than a few seconds to actually form Chidori in his hand. What is Kiba going to do in that time? Land piss, transform AND kill him in a single shot? That and he'll have to cross the distance Sasuke makes when he wants to prepare the jutsu. That and the jutsu can be prepared while moving.
What's actually irrelevant is mentioning the sand, because Kiba's hand isn't sand. It has been established in the manga that Chidori has no affect when grasping the forearm [
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Ahahahahaha.
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We can blatantly see the lightning emanating from the edges of the hole and we can see sand at the edge start to be shifted despite the vast majority of his hand and forearm being covered up. Sand covered his hand and his forearm so he lit up his arm to break out unless you are going to tell me that him covering his hand only would let him pull his forearm out. Whether or not Kiba's hand is sand has nothing to do with the bold nor was this a conventional Chidori so this rebuttal doesn't even matter.
:lol Yes, because Sasuke and Sakon actually had a serious fight. Haha. No. Sasuke stopped fighting after being knocked to the ground. So unless you are going to argue that Sasuke was unable to continue the match I think it's safe to say that he chose to quit, thus your point is irrelevant.
Like I already said in my last post. Sakon hit Kiba in the gut in a manner that left his fist lingering which gave Kiba the chance to grab his hand. What if Sasuke hits him anywhere else but the gut? What if Sasuke hits him with Shishi Rendan? What if Sasuke uses the fighting style he copied from Lee on him? :lol This whole "Kiba grabs him" argument is weak, especially for a guy who's speciality at this point is Ninjutsu not Taijutsu.
Because coming at two targets at once is the same thing as coming at one, right? We saw what happened when they were joined together. When Kiba finally went after just one of them, they summoned the Rashomon gate. Then we're banking on Sasuke knowing that he can't just narrowly dodge, but I'm sure Sharingan can probably figure that out for him though since it can do everything. Then we also have the fact that the 2 Headed Wolf intentionally drools all over the ground to make the opponent lose their footing.
They were standing in the same place and the AoE of his attack was enough to strike them both. Please don't sit here and act like Kiba would've gone from them dodging to them being nailed head on without being able to dodge despite Kiba's trajectory only changing a few inches at the very most.
They summoned Rashomon because dodging was useless as Kiba stated when they dodged, not because they
couldn't dodge. We literally just saw them dodge so this point is obviously false. The drool thing only worked because of the range Sakon/Ukon was from the dog, which is only because Kiba held him in place so he could be marked, and then immediately transformed.
So no. Once again, Sasuke dodges.
Sasuke's superior speed feats with Sharingan that got him knocked back on his ass effortlessly by just a CM1 Sakon, never mind two separate CM2 opponents that Kiba was aiming at.
Jack to do with movement speed and reaction (on Sasuke's part) speed. All you've shown is that CM1 Sakon has the physical strength to put Sasuke on his ass and the ability to react to his movements, which has nothing to do with the kind of speed that matters here. Nice try though, but Sakon and Ukon have a 3. Sasuke is equal to someone with a 4 and that's
without Sharingan which greatly increases reaction speed. Good luck arguing that CM2's speed boost is so larger that it covers that gap and sends them so far above Sasuke that he won't dodge what they dodged with no trouble.
Bold is also irrelevant as they were standing in the same place and Kiba's attack is wide enough to strike both. [
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