Hand signs mechanics explained. We had it all wrong.

[Mellanoma]

Hand signs use to be a huge debate back in the day but nowadays people could careless about them. For the few instances where handsign discussions are brought up im making this thread to explain Why you see shinobi use handsigns and why you don't.

Essentially what a Hand sign does is allow a user to Mold an amount of Chakra to perform a specific justu(s). This molding converts a users chakra into whatever type (Element, special,kkg) chakra is needed to perform a jutsu or multiple jutsu.

However one of the biggest misconceptions is that Hand signs are required per jutsu when this is actually not true at all. The real reason for Hand signs is molding the chakra to perform A jutsu or Multiple jutsu depending on the chakra pool of the individual. To further explain this I shall use shinobi as example.

What I will be explaining below:

Molding of Chakra REQUIRES hand signs. The more chakra you want to mold the more hand signs.
^^Better chakra control requires less hand signs for molding ^^
Adding or swapping Mold types require hand signs unless pre-molded


Hand signs to mold large amounts of chakra to perform multiple Jutsu of the same type rather exact jutsu or variant:

Naruto Kage Bunshin: Naruto essentially uses 1 hand sign to perform multiple Kage Bunshin simultaneously. This is mainly done because his massive chakra pool allows him to mold an insane amount of chakra at once to perform the jutsu.

Hashirama's Mokuton: Much like Naruto Hashirama is capable of molding vast amounts of chakra for his mokuton jutsu thus allowing him to constantly use that same type of jutsu until he needed to mold more chakra for even larger Mokuton.

Sasuke's Chidori: During Sasuke's fight against Itachi you notice that he actually only performed 1 set of hand signs to bring out his raiton affinity. After that he was able to consistently use raiton based attacks without having to form any more seals.

With these examples + More (Feel free to look it up yourself) it proves that Hand signs mold the affinity to allow multiple uses UNTIL you need to mold more chakra.

Matter fact the majority of all of Sasuke's fight start off with him molding a massive amount of Raiton chakra then freely using Raiton without needing to weave signs.



Hand signs to mold different chakra types:

Darui: Darui is the perfect example of this as during this scene he had chakra molded for Suiton then remolded/molded more for Raiton on the fly.

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Sasuke: Once again during Sasuke vs Itachi.

Sasuke needed to weave hand signs to mold chakra for Katon

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Then instantly switching back to Raiton. This indicates that Sasuke still had Raiton chakra molded for use.

In reference to the above you notice as the series advances Shinobi tend to have many different types of chakra molded rather naturally or through the use of 1 hand sign. This indicates that they are master's of molding/controlling that affinity type or just naturally became use to controlling it. This is why Part 1 Seal usage was so high and Part 2 seals became almost obsolute. Its not a mess up on Kishi part. Its a way of growth being displayed.

If you go back and look at any fight in the series. You will see the mechanics i've explained here in action.

Originally it was thought that you need to do certain seals to perform a specific jutsu but this is false. The type of seals only help with the mold type and as you learn to develop your molding you start to use less and less seals.

Thoughts?









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Madara using infinite Dream

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While this may not seem like much. This should explain the vast amount of Chakra required to perform IT considering Riku-Madara needed to mold chakra to perform it. This is the same person that used KKT, Gale, Lightning and Insane regeneration without any seals required.

 

[Lyke]

Interesting..........

 

[adamhill302]

Not bad this is interesting

 

[thermal detonator]

When 1st was revived by orochimaru he defiantly used handsigns

 

[Glad Of War]

Great thread, and it's refreshing.

 

[123fire]

Not bad this is interesting

 

[Sprinkles]

"While this may not seem like much. This should explain the vast amount of Chakra required to perform IT considering Riku-Madara needed to mold chakra to perform it. This is the same person that used KKT, Gale, Lightning and Insane regeneration without any seals required."

I never thought about that actually. Pretty interesting.

 

[Imperious]

I have a question about 64 palms, in regards to hand seals. As we know, 64 palms works like this: First, two consecutive strikes to make two. Second, another two consecutive strikes to make four. Third, four consecutive strikes to make eight. Fourth, eight consecutive strikes to make sixteen. Fifth, sixteen consecutive strikes to make thirty-two. Sixth, another thirty-two consecutive strikes in succession to make a total of sixty-four strikes. The sixth consecutive attack needs a strong step forward, because without it the technique will fail. It is to my understanding that the last thirty-two strikes are all compressed into one single strike, no? If so, can a Hyuga utilize the thirty-two strikes in one single strike, without first performing the consecutive strikes that come before it? (i.e: performing 32 strikes (single strike) without first performing two strikes, then another two, etc). Or, are the consecutive strikes, performed prior to the single thirty-two strikes, considered similar to hand seals in the sense that they're necessary stepping stones to perform the final outcome?​

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[Mellanoma]

I have a question about 64 palms, in regards to hand seals. As we know, 64 palms works like this: First, two consecutive strikes to make two. Second, another two consecutive strikes to make four. Third, four consecutive strikes to make eight. Fourth, eight consecutive strikes to make sixteen. Fifth, sixteen consecutive strikes to make thirty-two. Sixth, another thirty-two consecutive strikes in succession to make a total of sixty-four strikes. The sixth consecutive attack needs a strong step forward, because without it the technique will fail. It is to my understanding that the last thirty-two strikes are all compressed into one single strike, no? If so, can a Hyuga utilize the thirty-two strikes in one single strike, without first performing the consecutive strikes that come before it? (i.e: performing 32 strikes (single strike) without first performing two strikes, then another two, etc). Or, are the consecutive strikes, performed prior to the single thirty-two strikes, considered similar to hand seals in the sense that they're necessary stepping stones to perform the final outcome?​

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Hyuuga dont actually need to use Hand seals for their attacks as they are release RAW chakra. There is no affinity molding required. As for the 32 strikes dont the hyuuga state the amount of strikes AFTER the attacks? Not before?

 

[Mellanoma]

When 1st was revived by orochimaru he defiantly used handsigns

Part 1?

He used 1 to mold Mokuton.
Just like Tobirama used 1 to mold Suiton

Part 2

Hashirama used 1 to bring forth wood dragon and wood golem + Mokuton branches

He used 1 to bring forth SS which is SM enhanced Mokuton. Essentially changing his mokuton chakra to SM mokuton chakra

 

[Reviewing Logic]

so it is like a lever switch or dial to morph your future affinity attacks

and then you again switch the dail to change it into another affinity/element

 

[Mellanoma]

so it is like a lever switch or dial to morph your future affinity attacks

and then you again switch the dail to change it into another affinity/element

That is part of it. Depending on how skilled you are with that affinity. You only have to activate it once.

So if 1 raiton sign gets you 10 raiton attacks worth of chakra molded you can switch to katon and still have 10 raiton attacks of chakra molded and ready to go as long as your chakra pools can hold it.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

That is part of it. Depending on how skilled you are with that affinity. You only have to activate it once.

So if 1 raiton sign gets you 10 raiton attacks worth of chakra molded you can switch to katon and still have 10 raiton attacks of chakra molded and ready to go as long as your chakra pools can hold it.

fascinating

truly explains the rankings of chakra contorl

 

[Ansatsuken]

Like a password

 

[Imperious]

Hyuuga dont actually need to use Hand seals for their attacks as they are release RAW chakra. There is no affinity molding required. As for the 32 strikes dont the hyuuga state the amount of strikes AFTER the attacks? Not before?

I'm well aware that chakra molding isn't necessary for techniques that uses raw chakra. The rest of your post doesn't really seem to answer my question or help at all. Did you understand my inquiry?​

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[Mellanoma]

I'm well aware that chakra molding isn't necessary for techniques that uses raw chakra. The rest of your post doesn't really seem to answer my question or help at all. Did you understand my inquiry?​

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Apologies, I just now thoroughly read it. From what I understand about the technique its nothing more than a combination of strikes designed to close/open tenketsu to disrupt chakra flow. With this said Yes! they could perform 32 strikes without taking the other steps but based on the illustration it may not be as effective since each strike is intended for a specific tenketsu. Skipping the first 32 tenketsu strikes may cause the last 32 strikes not to work properly as Neji is essentially shutting off your chakra system. So to maximize its effects and completely disable his opponents chakra he follows the technique flawlessly to insure all tenketsu required for chakra molding are closed.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Excellent thread=D people be blaming kishi for being inconsistent. Clears all doubts.

 

[Imperious]

Apologies, I just now thoroughly read it. From what I understand about the technique its nothing more than a combination of strikes designed to close/open tenketsu to disrupt chakra flow. With this said Yes! they could perform 32 strikes without taking the other steps but based on the illustration it may not be as effective since each strike is intended for a specific tenketsu. Skipping the first 32 tenketsu strikes may cause the last 32 strikes not to work properly as Neji is essentially shutting off your chakra system. So to maximize its effects and completely disable his opponents chakra he follows the technique flawlessly to insure all tenketsu required for chakra molding are closed.

Right, that's what I thought. So each of the strikes prior to the single 32-strike are almost like hand signs in a way. They're not entirely necessary, but performing them prior to the final attack would augment the outcome. Similar to incantations in Bleach, as well. I would like it if you could explain why some techniques require more hand signs than others. For example, Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu. The amount of hand signs needed for that technique is unprecedented. Could you also explain why hand signs are necessary for techniques without definitive natures? What I gathered from your explanation in the original post is that hand signs are used to mold chakra to directly alter the nature of that chakra, giving it a defined nature in preparation for a elemental technique, and that if the chakra is already set to the nature required for the subsequent elemental technique, then using hand signs to mold chakra isn't necessary. ​

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[Mellanoma]

Right, that's what I thought. So each of the strikes prior to the single 32-strike are almost like hand signs in a way. They're not entirely necessary, but performing them prior to the final attack would augment the outcome. Similar to incantations in Bleach, as well. I would like it if you could explain why some techniques require more hand signs than others. For example, Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu. The amount of hand signs needed for that technique is unprecedented. Could you also explain why hand signs are necessary for techniques without definitive natures? What I gathered from your explanation in the original post is that hand signs are used to mold chakra to directly alter the nature of that chakra, giving it a defined nature in preparation for a elemental technique, and that if the chakra is already set to the nature required for the subsequent elemental technique, then using hand signs to mold chakra isn't necessary. ​

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Techniques dont require specific set of hand signs and the amount of signs is completely dependent on the user's ability to mold chakra to a specific affinity.

For example Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu used by Zabuza required a massive amount of hand seals.
Mei however did not require that many hand seals. Canonically I believe she only needed 1 high sign

Grand Fireball jutsu: Required multiple hand signs to be used by Sasuke early in the series.

He only used 1 in this instance:

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Madara only needed 1 hand sign for:

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[salamander uchiha]

Techniques dont require specific set of hand signs and the amount of signs is completely dependent on the user's ability to mold chakra to a specific affinity.

For example Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu used by Zabuza required a massive amount of hand seals.
Mei however did not require that many hand seals. Canonically I believe she only needed 1 high sign

Grand Fireball jutsu: Required multiple hand signs to be used by Sasuke early in the series.

He only used 1 in this instance:

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Madara only needed 1 hand sign for:

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Hand signs change form(so spiritual energy is used for) and nature and by addung pysical energy ut becomes a fully formed jutsu.

Yes those who become proficient require less and less or if its their primary nature less seals down to 0 in rare instances. You could equate it to building muscle memory but instead chakra memory.